Very culty, only they have the truth, suffering, restrictions, sensor movies, total control and isolation. Mmmm

I'm surprised I never heard of them. Rabbit hole here I come!😊

Religion is exactly where Satan works, Remember Jesus Called the religious people of his day Hypocrites! If you don't have Jesus in your heart, you do not KNOW HIM. When you KNOW him you want to Follow Him. “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” - JESUS (John 14:6).

My parents joined and the workers were looked at as Hods you didn’t question them you were trained to idolize!! Pep club in school bowling terrible!!!

It is not based on how blessed you will be by how much you give. It is about making a covenant with God and his people and going all in. They are set apart people who follow the Bible most closely, and take care of each other. They are the best people I know actually. (Australia)

THANKYOU for this!!!! THANKYOU!!!!!!!

This sounds vague and slightly culty - because of the vagueness and ambiguity of the way Ruth is talking, a client has no way to hold her to account or to track what she is doing. How do you know the change you're claiming in your clients is the result of the brainspotting, and not a placebo effect (or the effect of the therapeutic relationship, or another undefined effect, for example, that there may be some mindfulness facilitated by both nervous systems slowing down to follow what you're doing with your brainspotting moves)? The example given (of turning on a light switch) isn't appropriate. A more accurate example would be of an amateur trying to do the work of an electrician - going into complex electrical circuits to intervene without knowing / understanding the complexities of how they work.

I grew up in this religion in Ireland, having been born in a family that followed it, but i never made the choice to profess or be baptised, and stopped attending over as a teen almost 20 years ago. None of my immediate family are still in the religion (my dad having left when I was very young, my siblings never interested, and my mum disillusioned by my twenties), although some extended family is, and remain friends with members too. Personally, I am agnostic. A lot of what this video says is inaccurate though, maybe a really extreame version, but not one I would recognise. Distinctly, we were always told the word of god was from the bible as the single source of truth, never ever the workers. Not sure where this idea that suffering being celebrated has came from either? Also, everyone i know that remains in the religion is on social media, and stream movies etc all the time..

What you say is not true.

Half this crap is a lie .get some better info woman

Hi! I am afraid that so so much of this information is completely inaccurate :/ i can only imagine that is because your sources are mostly people who have left and don’t have a very high opinion of the church…

hulu has a special, released last week: secrets of the 2x2 church

My dad grew up in this cult. He wanted my siblings and me to be part of it too, but my mom stood strong, and wouldn't let us. I am so thankful for her

My wife goes to this church. Not a cult at all. She wears pants but dresses up to go to church just like many other people who go to different churches do. Wears light makeup. Has social media. Watches movies. Doesn't rely on the ministers for salvation but just like any other church and their preachers she listens to them for encouragement. Not sure where you are getting your facts from but that’s not how things are today from what I see. I’ve even listened to a couple of the sermons on the phone with her and it was just messages of uplifting Jesus and encouraging words.

If you read the Bible you will see it didn't start in Ireland. The word Ireland isn't even in the Bible. It started when Jesus called the 10 disciples.

Although I am not a member of this church I grew up around it. It is not true that you can only hear through mtgs in the home. They have conventions where they pipe in our people at home can hear the conventions going on.

I'm an ex-member and let me tell you the reason why they give up everything it's because Jesus said in Luke 14:33 that... "Unless you give up all your possessions you cannot be a disciple.". Christianity predominantly doesn't believe in this

modest dress is a good thing

I was raised in this church in Northern Ireland, although in a very odd way. My father married into it and his family were very aristocratic, and I was brought up by domestic servants who weren't 2x2. I always remember that being a bone of contention at home because my father always said "the workers are just illerate peasants" but we also had to go to the meetings and conventions. On the one hand we were told to do as they said but on the other hand we were constantly told they were social inferiors and treat them like a peasant. Both my parents would make us sit through hours of meetings a week but also say, "if you don't go to university and marry well you might have to become one of those pathetic little workers." It was very confusing.

Some of this isn't true, at least not for the community I grew up in. I had an NIV Bible growing up and people definitely listened to recordings of sermons. Almost everyone was on Facebook and Instagram too. There was even a "professing" memes page for a while.

I am currently forced to go to meetings by my parents I will say a LOT of this video is very accurate, there is definitely a lot more stuff however I will say the only inaccuracy would be social media. I know a lot of people who go to meetings who have social media they don't tend to post things like "verses" and "god loves you" etc. it is mostly just normal things like family photos etc.

I am a member of this faith and am surprised to hear some of your claims. I found your video when searching for information on my faith involving a large sex abuse scandal. So, I am open to hearing criticism of my faith. In the interest of fair play and accurate information, I'll let you know what I've learned about my faith in the last 58 years. Although having been raised in this faith since I was born, I have never heard about William Irvine or his history. I did hear, however, that some of the early workers that came to the US were from Ireland. Unlike the Mormons for example, who revere Joseph Smith quite openly to this day, my faith does not talk about William Irvine or his doctrine. It's not that we aren't allowed to talk about him, it's just that he is a non-entity, at least in my experience and in others that I know of in this faith. So, it would be inaccurate to suggest he is someone with a cult-like following. Perhaps that was so when he was alive? But I assume any influence he may have had died with him, otherwise he'd be a familiar name and be revered openly to this current day. I read up a bit on him, and it sounds like he was a man of poor character. However, I haven't read any references so far that indicate he was a man who lived a "comfortable life." I'm not saying that's inaccurate, I'm saying I haven't seen evidence for that. You claim we believe God speaks to us directly through the oral preaching by the two workers. That is not correct. I was never taught that. It is preached, and is common knowledge among the friends that the truth of God is found in the bible. Yes, we commonly use the King James Version, but some use other versions and many possess various versions for the purpose of more indepth study on the meaning of what is written. I remember hearing more than once that if we hear the workers - or anyone - speaking doctrine that is not in line with the bible, then that is false doctrine. What the workers preach is respected but only if it is in line with the bible. You also say we can't get the word of God from anywhere else. Yet in my faith, we acknowledge being spoken to by the holy spirit in many various personal experiences in life. Ultimately, the word of God comes from the bible, but prayer and meditation are also tools that God uses directly to our hearts to teach and guide us. I have often felt spoken to by something a non-member says or something I viewed in nature, etc. So no, the word of God does not only come from workers. Also, our fellowship with each other is a big source of the word of God to our hearts. You say we are only allowed to hear the preaching directly. That is not true either. While it is true that it is encouraged that people be present in person to hear the preaching, that is not a hard, fast rule. During Covid, for example, there were many meetings that were done over the phone on a zoom call. Also, it is very common to take notes of a meeting and share those notes with members who were unable to be there in person. I myself have been unable to attend some meetings but have been given a way to listen in because I am disabled and therefore need special accommodations. They are very good at supplying those alternatives. Suffering is respected? Goodness me. Yes and No. I can respect those who have a particularly hard life as they keep fighting to be right before God. But that happens as life evolves. It is not a requirement we seek. We don't recommend wearing hair shirts, for example. This life is full of suffering naturally without looking for it or creating it. No, no. That's not how it works. Did Jesus suffer? Yes! He was/is our example. It's very hard to have battles with the inner voices, human vs spiritual. Some verses that speak of suffering are: Phillipians 1: 21 and 29, II Corinthians 12:10, I Peter 4:12-19, Mark 10:29-30. Yes, it is certainly preferred that both men and women present themselves modestly. As far as appearance. That is not an unknown virtue among religions. It is not super obvious like the way Mennonites or Amish dress, for example, and I wouldn't call them cults. But yes, we do advocate for modesty and that is also biblical. I Timothy 2-9, for example. You also claim we are not allowed to have a media presence or are discouraged from doing so. Well, here I am having a media presence. I have for many years, as have many others. There are preachers and members alike who have Facebook pages, for example. What is said about the internet is to be careful that we don't get so caught up in it that we give it a more important place in our lives than God. That's a pretty normal admonishment. Even schools, for example, work to restrict internet access so kids have a well-rounded and safe learning experience as opposed to having eyes and brains glued to the internet. We all know that isn't healthy. I am just one person, of course, and you don't know me from Adam, but this is my own personal 58 year experience with my faith. I hope I have presented a more accurate picture of this group by telling my side of the story. Thank you.

I wouldn’t call this a cult in the sense that you aren’t chased and rehabilitated back into it; you’re allowed to leave. But I see why people do call it a cult with commonalities in dress plus behaviour and the idea of a lost eternity outside of it. The latter of which is something I disagree with still being a “member”

If you were a part of this organization and it influences you heavily still whether you are or are not a part of it, I recommend never to try any psychedelics. I would talk about my experience if anyone’s interested, but short story, this way heavily influences me whether I want it to or not. There’s no line between serving god and going to meetings, they are intertwined, which is extremely internally conflicting for me.

I don't know exactly what was stored on Duggar's computer, but it must have been truly extreme to get that sort of response from professionals. Just in training for my IA degree, I experienced some of those who seek out children under the instruction of local law enforcement, a former NCIS officer, and other professionals who regularly deal with such things. Some of my classes required waivers that, because of the subject being covered, we might be exposed to those things and they may be traumatic. I remember a lesson where we were to play the role of a young, susceptible girl in a public chatroom, and string along anyone who was being sexually manipulative. In another, we looked at some of the worse places on the 'darkweb' at the time. There were images of newborn infants being abused, children assaulted by animals, all manner of horrific material. For Duggar's computer to have material so far beyond the pale it went beyond that, it must have been truly awful indeed. Some things in this world really are horrifying.

I would like to have a conversation with you as I was in that church and some of what you have said is not true.

Thanks for this, Dr. Gideon. This group showed up on my radar 2 or 3 years ago in Canada. More publicity and education is required in general to warn others and provide help.

Thank you so much for this! My mom was involved in this movement. She left but somehow got roped back in at the end of her life. I have been dealing with aftermath of this exposure my entire life. I never understood it, and this is very helpful!

i still in this cult and you can have over the phone meeting now and media is more okay with them. but other then that this is spot on.

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Okay...around 3:20 when you mention listening directly...my gf (when she can't go to meeting) listens to it by calling in....and muting her phones mic etc...I'm brand new to this...While I'm familar with many other denominations/religions, I grew up in the Assembly of God...I see this as a cult and am researching this before I make a judgment...but I will say I have been to one Wednesday night meeting...in which we met at a persons home, sat in chairs in the living room...each person shared what was on their mind as it relates to the passage they were suppose to read...except for my gf...she wasn't allowed to share her thoughts on the passage she read in preperation for the meeting....nor was she allowed to share her thoughts on what was read that night. I was taken a-back!

I grew up in this also and am not a part of it anymore. You actually misrepresented much of what is true. While it may be a cult (I don’t personally think it is), I would take this video with a grain of salt.

Sounds like the Green Religion and the Climate Cult as well as "universities" today that offer "safe spaces"

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I’m glad I found your channel, thanks for making this video. I came out of a religious cult and much of what you mentioned resonates with my experience. I’m going through the deconstruction process and healing from my trauma. it’s comforting to know that more therapists are supporting survivors ❤

My mom is there… She believes it the true way…

Thank you… I got out summer of this year…

I agree with most of your points, although what is the case in the US or Canada, does not necessarily hold true in other parts of the world. Quite a number in my country, Workers included, use the NIV Bible for example, and it can be not uncommon to see the Convention Ground owners in the Movie Theatre. Some Dress Codes seem to be loosening up, finally, although there is a long way to go. But in the 5 minute clip, you covered a lot of ground. We have saying down under, that "if you throw a stone into a mob of sheep, the ones that bleat are the ones that got hit", and this is evident by some of the comments on here. Keep up the good work

I grew up in truth and have NOTHING but fond memories.... Most of this video is a load of crap. I still go to meeting on occasion...... 46 years, and its the only sincere faith I've ever come across

I grew up in this "religion" and it has affected me until adulthood. I quit going to meetings at 13. I feel i missed out on childhood not being able to do social things with my peers. No music, no dances. My most hated time of year was conventions and the constant pressure to profess. Sadly after rebelling i fell into despair of feeling lost and doomed. I fell into drugs heavily and spent my late teens to mid 30s in a haze. I am 10yrs sober now. It wasnt until recently i began to research the 2x2s. I feel relief like a huge weight being lifted, there are others like me. Others that were cheated and have recovered. I have small children now and cringe whenever they ask about god or religion. I give the most generic answer i can and move on.

You are not entirely correct about much of what you have said. Almost everyone even the ministers are on social media and the like. People also watch TV shows and movies if they want.

You are so wrong in many points! Jesus said there is only one way!!

Curious where you heard about this group. I was born into and grew up there. Left when I was 17. It doesn't exist anymore.

The workers actually live comfortably off the members - from using members' cars to staying in members' homes, getting washing and laundry done for them along with meals, to members having to be silent in their own homes to satisfy the workers "quiet times", to workers receiving donations. Mealtimes are even arranged around the workers' whims & children mist address the workers as "aunty" and "uncle". This group wrecked my mental health. They hammer in the teaching that there is no guarantee of heaven but that there is a small chance through obeying the workers' rules and the workers' interpretation of the Bible. It left me convinced I was going to hell.

Stop running from the Creator 🤠🙏🏻

modest dress is good, dont sckew this issue

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It's hard to understand how anyone who has read and studied the Bible can think this is in any way consistent with what the Scriptures actually teach.

Now that I think of it alot of this groups beliefs can be seen in people that I know in and around Colorado. I always wondered why they said they never wore jewelery. They also say that the internet and business are scammers. They don't trust the government and for some reason they insist on natural or healthy foods. Usually even people who are not a part of this group tend to agree and go along with thier ideas because it seems good. After all why should people eat unhealthy foods or support leaders that don't seem to care about them. I never knew it but they have influenced a lot of people around them. If you go to Colorado you can tell that this group has influence.

I have a relative that acts like that but I never knew. Thanks for letting us know the basics of what they believe now I know why they never leave their community very often. I wondered why they talk about God so much. I see that everything must be communicated in a close group.