Due to your accents I can’t understand you guys. You speak so low and damn near mumble everything you say. Why do you have mics if you’re not even speaking into them!!!????

Halflings army is what is pulling me into kings of war. Hope I do not regret the faction choice. Looks like they rely on sort of combined arms approach with relentless and chip damage from range? along with nimble cavalry trying to hit from flanks?

Enjoy the vids, thanks! One minor critique from a non-British person: Sometimes it is difficult to understand what is being said. Especially if something is said quickly or multiple people speak at once. Maybe look into upgrading your mic, or move it closer or try and cut some the ambient noise. Anyway, keep it up and make more vids. Cheers!

I can't STAND the well of souls its height 5 you have to be close to anything thing to help it it costs more than anything else and your handing away nerve to save a CHEAPER UNIT and making it easier to shoot the more expensive unit OF THE BOARD!!!!!! Who was the IDIOT who thought this up????? Get rid of that and give me DECENT air cavalry like dracons or elohi. Not this fly 10 but shambles or only flys 8 CRAP!!!!!I LOVE this army but they just SCREWED IT OVER what a complete WASTE of an army!!!!

We getting any more of these?

want to play this game, do you have list that i can use to build that army

To me the drums having dread is like the drumming in the mines of moria. That was a feeling of dread!

The whining at the start of the video was amusing.)) After it quited down it became an enjoyable video - well done, guys! It was rather surprising to hear a Redemption regiment out-ground a spear horde... ah, fickle dice!)) Nice to see the changes to Bhood/OotGL - kudos to all involved!!

Good review. The titbit about the formation drum being able to buy other spells is interesting, but not likely to be taken due it already costing the price of a small unit. I cannot find the 'fun' list in Orcs either, but I think this is mostly because the whole army is based on using the War Drums and they are a massive problem for list building. The first 2 unlocks of any Orc list have to go on drums, and due to the drum's Rallying being 'baked in' to the Orc units from a balance point of view, you are forced to play your lists in little clusters around the drums to make sure you are redeeming the points cost. Playing Orcs at the moment with the dependency on the drums is essentially playing 160 points down. Lots of people suggest that to make Orcs interesting, they could do with some interesting monsters, but where would you fit them? War Drums take up 2 monster slots, and you are going to want at least 3 inspiring sources, so without spamming cheap units for unlocks, where they going to fit? At the beginning of the video Elliot mentions Orcs are all about the grind. Heal and Drain Life spam to keep the hordes up and grinding. However; this is actually hard to fit in a list - not helped by the three different +x to casting variants. Godspeakers don't inspire, so you either are paying for Krudgers to inspire, so the Godspeakers can cast Heal/Drain life, or you go Ulpgar and Wip: the first method means you cannot take next to nothing but unlocking hordes as you will need 3 Godspeakers and at least 2 Krudgers (assuming one Godspeaker has Inspiring Tailisman) for a max of heal 17 ish (assuming Shroud of the Saint on one Godspeaker), and the second means you have room in the list for non unlocking units but pitiful healing (Life Leach 3 at best, and Heal 5 from Wip at best) which won't keep a horde going, let alone an army. I don't think the Heal grind Orc list is as competitive as you guys feel, what with things like Lord on Frostfangs, Ogre Bullies etc... effectively undoing all the healing by simply multi-charging in with another unit (Orc Hordes are huge as you mention, if you are not getting multi-charges in on them, something is very wrong) resulting in the Orc horde still popping in 2 turns. It just isn't strong enough across an army to be viable on the higher tables. It is also possibly so boring to play that were Sports a thing, the Orc player would be in negative values due to putting both themselves and their opponent into a mild depression. I think Orcs can be made more interesting with a change to War Drums. Give the drums Inspiring and multiple 'songs' they can drum to give out multiple effects. Each drum can only play 1 song per turn, but the effects can layer up. One of the song's would be the Rally, but you could have a Life Leach song, a + Wild Charge song etc... This would mean that taking non-unlocking units (Skulks, War Wagons etc... and characters other than Krudgers like Mansplitters and Godspeakers, you know, the vaguely 'interesting' stuff) isn't such a punishment as the drums are pulling double duty and would at least give the Orc player something to think about in his turn other than 'are my hordes in a flush line'. IMHO, Mantic wasted an opportunity by releasing Riftforged Orcs as a standalone, and not just adding the interesting units into Orcs. Orcs with a 50mm flyer hero, a Monstrous flying cav unit, the super shrine, and some actual shooting worth a damn would have made the army feel much more fleshed out, and not just 'they are green and move forwards'. I think part of the reason for Orcs in Kow feeling boring is due to them being part of one of the most fun and mad armies in WhFB. In WhfB, the goblins added the 'fun', whereas in Kow, Goblins are their own thing, and the Orc list is left bereft of anything fun.

Running a 2000pt sisterhood angel list,Elite Vicous, fury attacks with crushing 1 along the entire army works a bloody treat 🤭

There is nothing to get excited about with Orcs. I would say they are slightly less god but only because almost all other armies have been improved and Orcs have received nothing. They are not bad, but they are bland! Tom's rant at 17:48 is spot on!! War drums are an absolute crutch for Orcs and they are trying desperately to make them fun and more interesting but failing every time. Giving them a load of pointless upgrade options - 45pts for a chariot upgrade with dread??? no thanks I'll just take another drum instead for 80pts. They are best kept cheap. One potentially cool thing for orcs is Gakamak. His nerve buff is great and at less points too! A Godspeaker with host shadowbeast 8 can now give Gakamak 11,12,13 attacks all hitting on 2s wounding on 2s(with vicious) That is about the only fun thing I found in Orcs in CoK22. Wrecking ball Gakamak.

As an American who does have a little trouble with the accents, especially pronouncing fantasy names, who has to listen to this with the volume low, and uses CC to help keep track of the conversation I have a request. Could you put up on the screen the name of the unit you are discussing? You all often look down while saying the name, directing your voice away from the microphone, then can go most of the discussion without saying their name again. It would make it a lot easier. Loving this, especially as a player who just started this year and is getting a lot of background out of it.

Orcs get to chant in time to the drum, making them even scarier.

Im not a prude but Tom’s constant F’ing and blinding is really offputting and unprofessional. Kinda makes KoW players seem like twats.

Think orcs need some interesting monsters to make them interesting. The option of a giant or blocks of units to make up your front line is bland. Possibly why I'm really interested in riftforged orcs.

I really wait for TR review. I know it is a niche army but generic changes in CoK affected them the most.

I love you guys, but I can't understand a word you are saying. :)

Awesome content! Can you again recommend a player or a battle report to get a feeling for possible lists? Just don’t know where to start.

I had painted tons of treemen earlier this year with the intent to paint a bunch of elves later in 2021, but had been a little saddened when it seemed like the list was either elves or trees. Now with CoK22 my moment has come! Also love the interplay with the Boskwraiths (Elite) scouting up with Wiltfather and gaining Vicious. I guess you'd really have to push Wiltfather up there to get the Boskwraiths turn 1 vicious on the charge.

About the Pythagoras thing: if it's your corner hitting their facing it applies. If it's your facing hitting their corner, one inch away is enough.

But still why no beast of nature?

Great summary and some very useful tips on how to play with changes and the formation. I'll be giving these a try!

I would love for Sylvan Gladestalkers to have gotten Spellward too, but its fine I have a Master Hunter to carry the banner around! Stealthy instead of Melee 3+ does feel more meh, but I'm sure it'll apply at some point or other. Also the Hunting Cat is the 'army-wide' upgrade for Elves, right? So the King can't steal that one? The only downside to the formation is that the Archwraith didn't get a scout option!

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Will be running, Blackheart, the league of Infamy character at Telford this Sunday, thanks for the heads up on the typo, will run her with just the 1 attack and 0US (hadn't even noticed the US to be fair).

Mikayel + Crone + Host Shadowbeast (10) isn't good, it's fun!

A regiment of shadowhounds with Sharpness or Strength is a nice way to save some points by replacing a 2nd Abyssal Horseman unit.

So what I make for this is why haven’t primes, we’ll really infantry in general been buffed in this patch? I see 90% of infantry in this game as pointless right now. I think regiments should be 15 attacks unless chaff like goblins

Can't understand a word they're saying.. this English? CC switch on. Oh man.. Even the voice to text doesn't know what they're saying. 8P

Thx! This is very helpful, especially for a new player like me. Can you recommend a good list as well? Cheers

Well, if you say "I like them" when referring to Sea Guard, you get yourself offed and they finish the show with your empty chair as a reminder for others. :)

Nick's toupee has taken years off him :-)

Sharpness on a 16 attack unit never worth it.

Inspiring was kind of all over the Salamanders already with the Ancients having it. However, can see me trying the formation instead of taking ancients to go for a fast salamander list, backed up with wild charged infantry behind.

Hi thanks for the nice video. Just to mention that you can't take any artefacts on the battle captain of the formation so no flying superhero unfortunately

You can take 2h weapons on the Primes for CS2 dropping them to Def 4 so the Stealthy from the formation starts to look better. I don't think you can take a magic item on the Battle Captain though. i think you just have to take Path of Fire on him, but he doesn't also get to take a magic item like the hero in the Varangur formation? I think it was Varangur.

I'm looking hard at the Whispering Scales to put pressure on the many shooting lists we have here in the SE US meta. Added to a fast list, you can be charging your entire enemies front line on the top of 2.

They are very fragile and too easy to one shot, negating the well and regen. They hit hard but not hard enough to win. They just don't gel. Well getting LL5 is pointless bc it rarely hits hard enough. You usually only hit on 3 sometime 4.

tortured souls can only fly in formation, they're chained together

/ˈvilin,ˈviˌlān/ Pronounced the same as Villain Not Vil lay in - it's two syllables... I know its hard. You can do it. I mean dang its a UK word.

These have been great, you guys doing a review of the 2 new armies as well?

Really enjoying these. Thanks for putting in the huge effort involved in making this series. Of course, I will ignore all of your advice and go with my trusted random list selection, but at least I will now know what I am doing wrong.

Waitaminute... Sisterhood Panther Lancers aren't Beast so their Fury aura affects only Gnaeus and Gur Panthers (the Gur Panther troops in the formation being 9/11).

Basileans have the best ogres because they can afford the best ogres.

Bass-silly-anns! Love it! Another great review!

Great elemental formation! TR is jaleous.

Pegasi block line of sight very well

I can't thank the rc enough for making my armies top tier.

Yes love the change to Order of the Redemption and Forsaken. Hot take: formation looks good on paper but is actually not that good. I tried 10 games to make the formation work but gave up. Instead took an Earth Elemental Horde and Regiment with Avatar of the Green Lady. Would be happy to be proven wrong on the formation cos I do have the models painted up!

This sums Order of the Green Lady changes perfectly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3vFYZmNa5uIipY