@@michaelallen1154 honestly probably a fairly good comparison in alloy and composite. Similar swing weights and similar pop. I’d say the hype fire is maybe slightly more forgiving but slightly heavier

@@dadbod4life no problem we appreciate you watching!

Also to add, he is 11u, plays AAA and is a pretty solid hitter.

@@cori3394 it’s definitely heavier. Still very solid and seemingly very durable. I think if your kid has a fairly strong swing he will completely fine. None of the bats I’ve seen in drop 10/8 I would consider crazy heavy or very end loaded to be completely honest. Really the only ones I’ve seen like that are the old skinny barrels. Those swing pretty heavy.

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseball ok sounds good. More was worried switching from the -10 to -8 then it already being extra heavy would be too much of a switch. Yah he is a pretty solid power hitter and he has loved the last few Meta bats and they seem to not crack like others we have tried.

@ I wouldn’t be too worried then. Honestly from what I’ve seen kids notice length much more than weight. A kid will notice moving up an inch or 2 way more than they will going to drop 8 from 10. If he has some power I wouldn’t worry about it at all. The icon is also a really solid option for a more power oriented hitter and also seems very durable. My son swung the white one all last season. Games, practice, BP etc… that bat probably had 5000 swings on it and just finally started to develop a small crack

@ yah the icon was the other one I was looking at. He currently swings the a White Meta, so u know kids they want new colors lol and icon is white 😂 I care more about the swing then the color 😂

@@chris61413 I’ll see what we can do! You can also check our website where we have a top 3 list PFbaseball.net and a little more information on each bat if that helps!

@@ernestangulo8936 yeah I’d imagine that’s fine. Might be slightly big in the fingers to start with but not huge. 12.5 I’m assuming you play outfield?

Yea tysm I was so worried

@@cryptohitlist9324 27 is fine but I’d likely stick to a 1 piece alloy or 2 piece hybrid. Something like a Louisville slugger Atlas, Rawlings Mach Ai, Cat X2 or Demarini the goods one or 2 piece. The ball is just not coming fast enough and the kids are not strong enough for it to make any form of real difference at that age. You will likely see better performance out of an alloy bat at that age. For reference Lukas is just now starting to be able to fully compress the composite and he is 9 with a much harder than average swing. He hits the ball out of 240 fields. And we see pitching anywhere from 50-70 mph. You can go with the icon if he likes the look and it gives him confidence. But there’s a very real likelihood that an alloy bat will simply be better at that age

thank you we appreciate it! Definitely something id be interested in getting my hands on! Will see what I can do

@@LJF23 also heavy. Doesn’t come it particularly heavy on the scale but you can definitely feel the weight out on the barrel. We bought an old orange meta just to compare to it and it’s definitely a decent bit lighter

yeah definitely a good idea to have a cold weather bat up North. Here in Texas most of the seasons are done before it gets cold enough. But occasionally there will be a Winter World series or something that is pretty chilly!

Yeah in reality they need a bit more velocity than probably shown here. There was a few times where he caught it you could hear it get that broken in sound.

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball we have hit 28,39,30 and 31 in the silver bullets. Great bats. The hottest bats we have seen is a zoa that just got a crack. Those next 50 or so swings before it is toast beats anything we have tested.

Yeah I would say that’s a good option. For someone who plays more utility between 11.5 to 11.75 for that age Is going to be ideal. Not a big believer at that age in having kids switch gloves and stuff depending on position unless it’s very specific like catcher or 1st. 11.75 will be a solid glove size for every position

@@刘世祺 all 3 are good. The zen may have the biggest sweet spot of the 3 but also seems to be the least hot. The Icon is usually my choice as it seems to be the best of the drop 10’s. It’s hot while swing weight is fairly in the middle not light but not overly heavy. Hype fire is also solid. A bit lighter than the icon in drop 10 but not quite as hot imo. -8 vs -10 it really depends on the kid. If your son is very big he could potentially swing a drop 8. But I’d be very sure that he maintains a decent swing speed and his mechanics so he isn’t trying to fight the weight.

I would say it’s pretty balanced. The BBCOR version is much more end loaded. This version swings fairly light

@@robbiebuck4541 I would go 11.5. 11.5 is probably the most common shortstop size. And still big enough for him to play other positions with if need be.

still coach pitch right? Honestly for the most part alloy actually performs better in coach pitch because of a mixture of the kids simply not being strong enough and the ball not coming fast enough to really compress the composite. If you want something heavier for him to get a little pop behind the ball could look at some 2 piece hybrid's. Something like the Cat X2 Connect

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball He is Kid pitch now and they will do 1 coach pitch tournament. He is about 5'5 65-70 lbs. He swings a 27 drop 10 catx JBB. I'm thinking of getting him a 28in composite bat but not really sure which one. Thanks.

@@chawk2251 thanks we appreciate it! Yeah they are both good. Icon swings a bit heavier but it’s a bit hotter. Tank is still good and a bit lighter. Both are solid options!

We got two bad Soldier tanks in a row. The first one sounded like a rubber band guitar and the second gets rung up really bad. Every kid on my sons team who tried it had trouble with it so its not just my sons issue. If you want one buy it in person. Then he can swing the actual bat you plan to buy before buying it. The ICON is a great choice. Or any of the other bats in this video to be honest.

@@dadbod4lifewow! I’ve heard recently the durability on the tank isn’t great. Tested the bats in the vid along with the “new” hype and icon a few weeks ago…Santa will be bringing an icon for Christmas!

@@chawk2251 Excellent choice! Santa is bringing my son the Zen. A lot of kids on the team use the icon so my son wants something different. He also had a lot of success with his Zoa so staying with a similar bat in a longer length should work for him. Hope your son loves the icon!!!

hmm yeah unless they are a really big 9-year-old with sound mechanics I'd probably hold off on a drop 8. I think in a solid sized 10-year-old with decent power can probably step up to a drop 8 fine.

Yeah I always loved the HoH its what I played with most of my baseball career. And yeah the A2000 is super stiff so as long as you dont let it get crushed in the bottom of a bag consistently it should hold its shape well

Thank you! Yeah we hope to pick one up soon. Its a bat you don't see a ton but Warstic always seems to make good stuff

@@williamrussell9114 heavier. Funny enough we actually picked up a 29in version of this bat to do a follow up video with. This bat is definitely on the heavier side of 2 piece hybrids though

@@aszmuc201 probably a little bit to the side of the Atlas. But it’s close. Atlas if you want something that swings slightly heavier, Clout if you want slightly lighter

Would like to get our hands on one. Always interesting to see a company get into a new space since it’s their first USSSA bat

I would say he prefers a slight endload to most of his bats that he would game. Something slightly easier to put some backspin on the ball and elevate it. His favorite bat is still the Icon. Think it swings basically exactly how he likes it. Slight end load with a ton of pop

@@MrRod632 if he is big and strong the Icon is going to be hard to beat. Probably the hottest out of the wrapper. Zen has a really nice big sweet spot but didn’t seem quite as hot and swung fairly heavy. Cat X2 is kind of a middle ground option. Swings a bit lighter than the Icon but also not quite as hot. Thanks for watching as always!

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball I've heard on several different channels that the more people swing, the more they like it. The Icon has been my number 1 on list, but I'm curious what Zen is like when broken in.

@ the true problem for the most part comes in that most 9-10 year olds (even the strong ones) aren’t purely strong enough and see enough velocity consistently to truly break in a bat. I am curious though. Lukas has described it several times as feeling way better the more he swings with it and that it has a big sweet spot. I may take it out and try and break it in myself lol

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball We practice twice a week for travel ball year round and have a cage at home with pitching machine. I kind of like that it takes a while to break in, so we get practice swings on it. Please do and record info that will be the stuff that separates your channel from other basic bp only ones.

@@Maverick1241 yeah we were impressed. Have an Easton Maxum on the way to compare it to which is about the only other relevant one piece composite and people loved that bat. Sadly they don’t make it anymore though

@@natedogg313rd all of these bats are 29 drop 10

Thank you I appreciate your time

@ no problem!

@@adamgreening6569 hmm that one I’m not sure. From what I have been told the Clout is supposed to be the successor to the 5150. Which makes sense if you go to Rawlings website the terminology they use on both the clout and the 5150 is very similar. While the terminology they use for the Peak is somewhat unique to itself. They say it uses “peak” alloy which to my knowledge is the only bat Rawlings makes that they list that uses it. The 5150, Clout and Mach all use a variation of “Red alloy”

Honestly tough call. We have not tried the mizuno yet and don’t know anyone who has in the drop 10. The tank and Dirty South Swag are both fairly interesting. I’d say the dirty south swings a bit lighter while the Tank is still fairly light but more of a medium swing weight. I’d say it comes down to mostly how big your kid is and how much power they have. If you want something slightly easier to swing go with the dirty south. Something slightly heavier go with the tank. Also could always use dirty south’s try it out program before you buy it

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseballon justbats I’ve seen each of these bats on sale for little price

@@BaseballandGod4life yeah we may end up picking up the Mizuno. Interesting bat that we know very little about

@ it’s not out yet 😖

@@vantyson3065 really good bat. We swing it pretty often in the cage and even some in games. Lukas still swings the icon in games for the most part but I would say the Icon is a good bit heavier and harder to swing than the Bonesaber. He has used the bonesaber probably the 2nd most in games. Very good bat and easy to swing. No durability issues or anything in ours

@@williamrussell9114 I would like to. I do wonder though if it is just a repainted one piece the goods from last year though. Terminology in the specs sheet on Demarini’s website is basically the exact same

@@theKOOP4773 of the more modern composites the bonesaber is probably one of the lightest if not the lightest. The Dirty South Swag we just reviewed is a one piece composite that also swings light. Other than that probably something like the older Louisville Slugger Meta’s. The black/gold, orange or white/gold one are all the same and are very light swinging

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseball Thanks so much, again really appreciate the channel! Subscribed!

@@theKOOP4773 no problem at all! Thank you!

@@LJF23 drop 8 and 10 are almost the exact same bats. Drop 5 is really where they start to feel and swing way differently. Yes Icon would still be the overall favorite in drop 8

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseball what would you say is the best -8 alloy? Haven’t heard anything about the new voodoo one usssa. Or the atlas usssa. Do either of these compare to the marucci or AI clout?

@@LJF23 honestly we have not swung enough of them to fully say. But out of the ones we have tested I would say if you like one that swings slightly heavier then the atlas is very good. If you like it a little lighter the clout is very good. Sadly have not tried the new voodoo. I do wonder if it is actually just a repaint of last years the goods one piece at least for USSSA.

@@Shewmake we still swing it in BP so no plans of getting rid of it as of now sadly

Cat is probably a bit hotter on average. That being said the Cat is a good bit heavier than the Bonesaber swing weight wise. Bonesaber is very hot for its light swing weight

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseball Thank you!

@@davidurquides7041 honestly I would say it depends. If he has a lot of pop and sees decent pitching speeds the comp. It’s easy to swing and has some good pop. It’s very good and easy to swing

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball we play AA or D3, occasionally an open tourney, so anywhere between 45-60 pitch speed. He is one of the best when it come to making solid contact and getting on base.

@@davidurquides7041 yeah I would definitely go with the comp. It’s very good. Easy to swing and has plenty of pop. If your kid is consistently barreling up balls it is going to have a lot of pop.

Clout is much lighter. I would say the Cat x2 comp is a medium to slightly heavy swing weight.

​@@PerformanceFactoryBaseballCatx 2 comp is slightly ended compared to last year's model.

Thanks we appreciate that! Yeah bats definitely are not cheap these days. But pretty cool Dirty South will let you demo them for a couple weeks and all you have to pay for is shipping.

Yeah that is definitely an interesting option. Like you said no harm in testing it out and seeing if he likes it! I thought it was a joke after the drop 5 ban stuff in 12u PG but they actually made it haha.

@@williamrussell9114 yeah that’s actually one we’ve wanted to try for a while. I have always heard good things about it

There you go... a one piece composite.

@@jonchoi1233 yeah I had honestly forgotten about the Maxum series. They had their own little devout following. May see if I can pick one up

​@@jonchoi1233 also the ADV one

I would say slightly end loaded. Not as much as some bats but I would say it has a medium to slightly heavy swing weight.

@@carlosmunoz588 going to possibly see if I can get my hands on one. From what I have been told it is the same bat as the 2023/2024 just a repaint. But I would like to get one to see how it compares

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball looking to go up to a 28/18 for my son, still undecided. Thank You.

Sadly we have not. Was hoping that LS would come out with an updated version of it this year but it seems they are not. I may see if I can pick one of the latest model up!

@@DAWGpound1776 yeah we have actually never swung one but they always seem to have a very devout following. Curious which one of the Dirty South bats your boy has? Their most popular is the Swag right?

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball this was with USA bats. The USSSA bats are hotter. You HAVE to get one.

@@DAWGpound1776 have a Swag and Bravo on the way! Should be a fun test/review. DSB always seems to have a very devout following

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseball I can't wait to see this

@PerformanceFactoryBaseball we stayed away from one pieces because of ring up. But we haven't had that problem with this one piece composite. Super cool

An interesting option you don’t see drop 12 a whole lot in USSSA. What age are you looking at this for? My concern on something like for anything more than like 8-9u is that there isn’t enough mass behind the ball and the kids aren’t purely strong enough to power through the ball with something so light. But it would definitely be interesting to test

@@PerformanceFactoryBaseball My son is is 11u and moving up from a 29/19. I had him swing the 30/18 to get used to the length. He was able to get barrels with this bat but I am not sure how this bat does against a USSSA alloy.

I agree the zen feels more end loaded. my son is 10/78lb/4’7”, I was kinda set on the icon, but after swinging the zen, icon, cat x comp, and fire he picked the zen. It’s so subjective, could have even been he liked the artwork on the bat better lol, but he is hitting well with it. All these bats are so close in performance it really is a matter of preference and also the Indian not the bow if we are being honest. Can’t go wrong with any of these, would love to see a warstick in the wild

@ absolutely agree super subjective. Funny thing you brought up the artwork. My son was dead set on the hype fire because of that plus all the “hype” on KZbin. We did a blind test with the hype, the icon, the cat x, the clout, the new goods bat and the atlas and the zen. He picked the alloy one piece bats every time 😂. And then for composites he picked the goods and the icon. Undoubtedly without that test he would have picked the hype fire. It’s fun to see the kids getting excited about new bats though. I get the same way about new cars 😂