Important to point out that Girard’s view point led him back to his Catholicism. He saw that only the person of Jesus Christ, the God Man breaks the cycle. Also Girard’s insights into the influence of imitation in culture.

No such thing as white supremacy CIA was involved in that "shooting" The Congolese conquered the Congo, are they black supremacists? The arabs conquered the middle east, are the arab supremacists? Black god can't create light and blackness doesn't create an afterlife All you have is blackness Black people can't live in civilization

Hi Stephen, thanks for your KZbin sessions, I enjoy them greatly and shar your admiration of Barth & Torrance. I appreciate that perhaps St. Origen is providing some possible options which may on occasions be helpful. I can however, see some problems as you no doubt do too. Torrance is quite adamant, as I think Barth, that Jesus was a particular historical figure (amen) who allows us to know God and by inference understand at least some important things about God. Without this, faith would be impossible. I also think of those who question the historical accuracy of the Gospel account of Jesus, the so called Quest for the Historical Jesus.' By the time these Bods are finished, Jesus is largely a figment or invention of the early Church's imagination. In terms of Genesis 1 -3, I refer you to John Lennox who says that if you read it carefully, it doesn't actually say that God created the universe in 7 days, simply that He created it systematically. Further, Jesus Himself refers to Adam and the fall, and it is difficult to see why we need a second Adam if the first one didn't commit sin, body, souls and Spirit? Just some thoughts. Many Blessings - Scott

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You address a very important theological issue Stephen - well done! As a Christian epistemologist, I am in the process of completing a writing after nearly 23 years of research wherein I deal with this matter both philosophically as well as theologically… But there’s something I want to propose (with some hesitation as it tends to provoke a response of surprise and even disgust): why does anyone feel compelled to try and prove the existence of God? Even if one could, why would one want to???

Love your channel.

You're not a Christian if you support sin.

Another approach one could take to arrive at the same place is to ask the question of what it is that causes death. If death is the organic, or natural consequence, of sin, due to the fact that sin separates us from God, not God from us, but us from God, by impacting our minds such that we believe things about God that aren’t true, such as that He us angry at us and wants to harm us (such as seen by Adam and Eve’s response to God’s calling them for their daily walk), then the solution is to effect reconciliation. How is reconciliation accomplished? By revelation. The power of the cross is in what it reveals.

I really liked this video a lot. Many good thoughts. In regards to PSA requiring violence, that’s especially an excellent point, because if anyone was non-violent, or, better yet, anti-violent, it was Jesus Christ, who said “When you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father.” How, then, can God be violent?

Because you’re not a Christian. You can’t be a Christian and blatantly deny the teachings of the Bible. Remember you are to be the salt of this earth not pandering to world views. You think you are being loving but instead you are a wolf in sheep skin leading these people to hell. Jesus loves all of us but would say go AND SIN NO MORE.

I've always believed God loves me no matter what. What scares me is the amount of people who think God doesn't. Thank you so much for this video.

The erroneous PSA is called the "Gospel" by the reformed groups. Amazing to not see the Gospel proclaimed in the early Christian Symbols of Faith.

Pretty sure the book of Job provides a model for the atonement - here is my own personal investigation into this - /goodnewsaboutjusticeblog.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/the-trial-of-justice-atonement/

Deuteronomy 4:2 says, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you". This verse suggests that people should not add to or take away from the word of God in order to keep God's commandments

Very concise and non judgemental. These are after all theories, constructed by man, to explain how and why God does what He does. I have come to believe that if God didn't explain something clearly, either we didn't need to know lack the capacity.to understand it. Still, we cannot help but be curious about such a magnificent God.

Thank you, Sir! I’m a gay Christian and came out 11 years ago. I had to leave my church, and have been churchless for the last eleven years. I miss my church. It was an Assembly of God. I youth pastored there and had a song ministry there as well. I had to leave because I wasn’t accepted there as the pastor was very much against and preached again homosexuality. He even preached that homosexuals should be executed. I couldn’t sit under that condemnation any longer. I had to leave.

I’ve got to get Douglas and Jon’s book. It sounds amazing and is what I’ve become to believe the Gospel truly is.

Thank you so much.

The clear fact is that Christians aren’t better than anybody else. We all belong to the same God. And one religion isn’t better than another. We are ALL worthy in all aspects of life. Jesus’s teachings are about being our best selves, bringing love to each other, sharing the love of heaven on earth as we learn and grow spiritually. Heaven is waiting for everyone. Judging one another stems from religion. But no one is in an elite club with God. We all have the same worth. 💕

How does your concept of law being "promise vs punishment" fit with the model of covenant within which the law came? The concept of covenant (which both logically and historically preceded the 10 commandments) certainly included promise, but it also included clear, articulate, and understood threatenings of punishment for ignoring or transgressing said law. I do not understand how you can make a claim that punishment is not an attribute of Divine Justice in light of this. Help me understand, please.

*in america a quarter million children have families because gays exist. that's why god made them. that's why the devil rewrote the bible.*

Rest in peace, Lehrer

Thank you for your thoughtful and good faith propositions. What of the witness of the historic church? Why wouldn’t this be more clear to the fathers of the church throughout time? It is very good that we love people at all times. I’m confused why sexual desire is being linked to the identity of the person, or even the humanity of the person. Do we not all have desires that God must prune from us before the end? We may believe that our desires make us, “us”. We may only see what we truly are at the end.

Do you believe marriage is a necessary step to take within the christian faith when you'd like to spend your life with another person? Or can two people be with each other in faith without marrying?

Thanks for this. I haven't read any Barth. What should I start with?

The scriptural conundrum those who are ensnared by penal substitution is that with accordance to scripture as a whole anyone who dies under divine wrath are in a sinful state that is unforgivable. But also nowhere in the Law and teachings does God ever transfer the guilt of the offender to an innocent person.such is a perversion of justice according to scripture . to be declared guilty by God one must at first sin. Also Yeshua offered Himself to Father as a ransom to redeem but also for atonement, in fulfillment of the Animal offerings and sacrifices, where the animals had to be unblemished outwardly, Yeshua had to be morally unblemished inwardly. If at any point yeshua became a child of wrath as we are and were then yeshua in that full embodied corruption while offering himself to Father, Father would deem the offerer and offering abominable according to scripture. Thus God would reject the offerrer who is the offering. Because of Gods promise to not lose one child of Their election but to bring them to glory, God would not even allow one legit child to voluntarily be blotted out of the book of life in the place of another. As per example of Moses in exodus 32:30-33 how much more the eternal Son?!

Really good!! I was PSA believer for years but in last 6 months have learned the error of PSA. Your video is best I’ve seen thus far explaining the error. Thank you!

Thank you for your perspective. I think I understand the first point: the Gospel is Good News that liberates the oppressed. It seems that the argument is that “the oppressed” is defined as any group(s) of people who are marginalized by society. Are there boundaries around which groups are considered marginalized/oppressed?

Thank you for presenting Moltmann without commentary/opinions. Enjoyed this intro to him 😁

Great research on PST. Now let's move on to the false dogma of the trinity.

21:50 not the start of your point in the video, but it brings up to mind how the devil quoted religious text to jesus to tempt him, though in essence asking him to test his god. the essence is to ask whether two people who love each other enough to try to create a better whole for each other and therein to the betterment of society is wrong.

What do you make of this passage from Romans referring to the forgiveness of sins (context implies gentiles also) BEFORE Christ? Romans 3:25 - NKJV “whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,” The context is Jewish works, and Paul saying gentiles are justified by faith now because no one kept the Law, and Christ’s blood payed for gentile lawlessness since they were not punished for sins in the past.

So i am a Unitarian. Am I an heretic?

I hope to see on all at church every Sunday, and don’t forget to help feed the poor, visit the sick, and visit prisoners during your spare time. Also make sure you mow your neighbours garden every week. Be nice and polite to everyone, love your enemies, especially the bigots, forgive your enemies, forgive everyone who has a view that you dont like , in fact love them, and give them your last bit of food. Do unto them as you would have done unto you. Finally, and most importantly, avoid the Christians with machine guns. I don’t need to tell you why.

You sound like a 1990’s Anglican vicar. Keep up. Marxism has so infiltrated the Anglican Church, that any political extremist group now left or right, now feel they have the right to infiltrate, work their up to influence, in the church, and promote their own kind. It’s become like an American political race. The irony is, that by destroying Christianity, you are fulfilling what was prophesied in Revelation. Of course, you don’t read Revelation, because you don’t believe in eschatology. If, you are right, and Revelation is wrong, then your killing of the church will simply make room for other religions which won’t tolerate you one iota. Do you have a death wish, or do you just lack wisdom and insight.

As I lay in hospital after a heart attack, this is the answer, strength and wisdom I have recently asked God for when I feel my heart cannot take any more. The same monastic order that built me up, knocked me down because of who I love. The good people of this religion chipped away at my hope, joy utter the words 'There is no God'. Yet God HAS not gave up on us. Thank you Stephen for your determination and efforts to bring about understanding for so many of your brothers and sisters. Respect and love to you, Sir.

The meaning of life is to meet the LIFE!

Thank you for being such a good alli, and the organized video that is researched, and very clear. I am Christian, but stopped going in the late 80s when so many Christians were claiming HIV/AIDS as God's Wrath, rather than "I was sick and you cared for me." When churches were having debates about whether queer people should be allowed to be in church membership, if they are let in at all, such a sign of arrogance, I chose to quit church, but not God. The worst was in the 80s, being told by supposed Christians that I was hated by God, that he thought I was an abomination, disgusting simply because I exist, and the US prevents my execution, which is God's will, so I should kill myself. I heard this at least a dozen times, and am diagnosed with depression, and under stressful conditions, become suicidal already, so, to say something like that to anyone, let alone someone confused at the time about sexual orientation and the Bible with depression that gave way to bouts of suicide attempts, is such a gross transgression against me and others that it has taken me a very long time to heal and forgive. But I had given up on Christianity, and your video gives me hope, shows me that there are those who actually live their neighbor despite the flack you will surely get. So. I may return to the church again, one that affirms me, and acknowledges that I am worthy of love.

Thanks for this great video.

Ransom, satisfaction and penal are all anti Trinitarian or you’re either Nestorian or Arian. None make sense.

Thank you for posting this.

Your objections to ransom theory are not convincing. Satan does not need equal power to God. He needs a legal claim. God has set up many elohim as sub-Gods over the nations and selected only Israel for himself according to Michael Heiser's reading of Deuteronomy 32, 8-9. A claim on a Jew in Jerusalem by a Satan is rejected by God by simply God asserting his claim on his selected people in Zec 3, 2. After rebuking this claim, God deals with Joshua's sin without Satan's presence according to v. 5. God was not happy with the works of the sub-Gods. He sentenced them to death according to Psalm 82. He had to get their peoples out of their clutches to not destroy the peoples with their sub-Gods like in Isa 34, 2-4. According to Rev 5, 9, the Lamb has bought people from every nation with his blood. The Greek verb in the vers meaning buying, like in the market place, in many passages in the Bible. The first point of the sacrifice is creating the legal possibility of opening up the new covenant for the nations. God respects the legal claim of Satan because he is just. Satan is not just, he doesn't care that he is paid what is due and still continues his efforts against the believers. That's why is thrown out of the courtroom by violence according to Rev. 12, 7-10. He is an accuser in his own interest, not a persecutor for the law or authority of God, just like the accusers against Paul in Acts 23 + 25 where representing their own interest, not the Roman law or government.

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Brilliantly outlined. My personal view is that the Spurit of Trurh is continuing to lead us into all truth. Giraud's model is an example of that. Great insight, so needed for us now in the 21st century. I am thinking of the Gaza war problem, which is clearly no easy fix, but violence is not working well. Is it?

You are an abomination to GOD! YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN AN REPENT 😢. JESUS will forgive you An put you back on track. Love is not love what you are preaching is SIN. GOD IS TRUE LOVE!

The Western Churches concept that the 'goodnews of the gospel' is we invite Jesus into our life isn't biblical. The patristic early fathers of the faith made it clear that its wholly Jesus inviting us into His life.

Does anyone in the internet know of an Christian Oneness Universalist theologian who is on the internet who does Not believe in the Trinity but believes in Oneness Universalism ?

Great interview… helped me think through and find a way to articulate some issues.

Thousands of popes!!!loved that one,

I love books which detect order within apparent chaos, which identify the signal within the noise.