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@maximo20fl
@maximo20fl 2 сағат бұрын
Eric...where is your shop located???
@atikovi1
@atikovi1 3 сағат бұрын
Bought the same car a few months ago with 100K and no issues so far.
@rykdheiner
@rykdheiner 10 сағат бұрын
I would just use a spiral reverse flute tap to clean up the threads instead of a drill bit
@2WatchAndComment
@2WatchAndComment 17 сағат бұрын
in general what is the cost range for the coolant intrusion? (from not bad to really bad) gives us an idea if we bought one with this issue.
@bernardwright2420
@bernardwright2420 19 сағат бұрын
I really enjoyed these videos, very informative and a well executed tutorial for non-EV types.
@TheSilmarillian
@TheSilmarillian 19 сағат бұрын
Here 4 part 2. You by passed the manufacturing moisture intrusion fault and provided the ability for oil cooling if necessary ,nice indeed
@TheSilmarillian
@TheSilmarillian 20 сағат бұрын
New sub here hello from down under well presented and explained indeed thank you for taking me along on the journey , am not a fan of EV's though . My I digress and ask these EV's costing 50K to over 100 K and then the thousands it cost for the customer to repair a known seal issue. Good luck with the green side of EV's starting with the carbon foot print 2 produce them them charging them from coal fired power stations , where is the green in that ,some1 is getting conned follow the money , I would never sit on top of a lithium thermal runaway death trap but I digress have been told I do that sometimes but that's just my humble opinion good people. I will see myself out
@speedy_pit_stop
@speedy_pit_stop 23 сағат бұрын
Awesome job. Thanks for sharing.
@benkanobe7500
@benkanobe7500 Күн бұрын
Alex thank you for doing this series for the EV community. I have commented before because my Performance S has a high pitched sound but much different than the recored sound in this KZbin. Mine is much higher pitch. I look forward to your next video where you show how to check the Model S for the coolant issue. I am hoping mine is just drive bearings because like you said, that would seldom lead to a near term catastrophic failure. I'm not driving the car until I can check or get it checked for coolant intrusion. If I don't have coolant, I will drive it from San Diego to you for rebuild, coolant manifold (delete), and ceramic bearings in all spots. I will just fly home and then fly back to get the car when finished. If coolant, I could use your help with safe transport from San Diego to you for the same work and I just fly up and pick up when done and drive it back to San Diego. Do you know if Tesla would do it if I paid them to inspect for the coolant on the speed sensor? That way I could get it done right away. Thanks again!
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair 6 сағат бұрын
Tesla won't do a speed sensor check for you, that's something you'd either have to do yourself, or take it to some other 3rd party shop. FYI, I'm actually going to be heading to San Diego later this week to pick up some shop equipment, so maybe I could arrange to try and meet you to do a speed sensor check during the short time I'll be there...
@benkanobe7500
@benkanobe7500 4 сағат бұрын
@@AlexEVRepair That would be fantastic! I would be happy to pay you. I'm in Fallbrook, retired, so I can have the care where ever you need it be when you need it there. Let me know how to contact you. John
@davenone7312
@davenone7312 Күн бұрын
Great job well done. The only thing I would have done differently was I would have cleaned out the stator far better. It would have shined like new.
@cristerhelin8532
@cristerhelin8532 Күн бұрын
Thank you Alex for your very professional take on this specific issues with some Tesla drive units. If I understand you right in what you mentioned in the end of this video, this coolant leakage issue doesnt apply to Tesla mS dual motor versions? I have a 90D, built in September 2016. Does it mean that it doesn´t have this kind of rear motor? What about the front motor?
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair Күн бұрын
Yes, non-Performance dual motor versions of Model S and X do not use the Large Drive Unit, instead they use Small Drive Units both front and rear. Actually, the Model S you can see in the background of the video at the end is a pre-refresh 2016 90D, which has over 375k mi on both original drive units (battery original as well). My own personal car is a 2015 70D, with over 460k mi on the original rear drive unit, and the front drive unit was replaced at ~375k mi, and the battery at ~250k mi (both while under prior ownership).
@cristerhelin8532
@cristerhelin8532 8 сағат бұрын
@@AlexEVRepair Thank you for a quick answer. I am very relieved to learn that at least this should not be a problem. My Tesla is now close to 185 000 km (some 296 k mi) and I have had a lot of issues, not with the drive train but with several other components. My worst incident was when my rear right lower control arm broke, due to a weak design and low corrosion resistance (improper aluminum alloy). Apart from that, my overall experience is that compared to other vehicles in this price segment Tesla is showing a very low component quality. I have replaced so many components, like headlamps, battery heater, cabin heater, AC-compressor, parking brake servo motors, circulation pumps, door handles and more. I think Tesla has created a fantastic drive train in a very low quality vehicle. I shouldn't forget the build quality, it looks like it is put together by kids. Anyhow, in some crazy way I still love the car!
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair 6 сағат бұрын
Sounds like you've had pretty much all of the "relatively common" known failures. Also, FYI, 185k km is only about 114k mi, I think you got your conversion backwards, haha.
@Derpy1969
@Derpy1969 Күн бұрын
Is it the metallic whirring?
@tube8533
@tube8533 Күн бұрын
nice!
@thankscraig8361
@thankscraig8361 Күн бұрын
Thanks so much World Peace
@thankscraig8361
@thankscraig8361 Күн бұрын
Thanks so much World Peace
@GF-dm3vb
@GF-dm3vb Күн бұрын
Very good explanation of the issue! In case I had a Tesla that is still under warranty, and found that there is coolant on the speed sensor, do you know if that is a failure covered by the warranty?
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair Күн бұрын
It should be, but folks often have a hard time getting Tesla to cover it without there being an "obvious" failure. They won't remove the speed sensor to inspect it themselves, so your best bet for proof is to take pictures or video. If they push back against replacing the drive unit, tell them you want the defective rotor seal to be addressed.
@LorenKadison
@LorenKadison Күн бұрын
Ev cars will poison the planet
@aussietaipan8700
@aussietaipan8700 Күн бұрын
Hi Alex, not sure if you done a video on removing the LDU from a model S, I know is done by dropping the whole sub frame but are there any other gotcha points like isolating power and others?
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair Күн бұрын
Yes, there is indeed a HV disconnect/isolation procedure to remove it. I haven't done a video on here about that yet, but it's the same process as doing any other work on the HV systems in the car (I actually did do the HV disconnect procedure on my recent Model S CCS retrofit video). All of Tesla's service manuals that show those procedures are also available for free at service.tesla.com
@timothycooney986
@timothycooney986 Күн бұрын
Please explain how you can eliminate rotor coolant (delete manifold) without damaging the rotor.Thanks
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair Күн бұрын
Deleting the rotor cooling will cause the rotor to run a bit hotter, but won't cause any real damage to it. Even in stock form, the amount of coolant that runs through it is pretty miniscule (coolant flow for the large, 60lb rotor is limited by a hole that is ~1/8" or ~3mm in dia). As I stated in the video, even Tesla has started deleting the rotor cooling on these drive units from the factory with the latest revision (rev-U). The only downside to deleting rotor cooling might be decreased lifespan for the rotor bearings in the long term, but given that the bearings get destroyed by coolant intrusion anyways (not to mention the rest of the motor) when they do have rotor cooling, I'd say that's a more than worthwhile tradeoff. The hybrid ceramic bearings I use are rated for much higher operating temperatures than the motor will ever see (the grease in them alone is rated for continuous duty at 300 °C).
@IrenESorius
@IrenESorius Күн бұрын
👍‍‍👍‍‍
@bertrandep
@bertrandep Күн бұрын
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Here in europe we also have issue with bearings / seals for EV motors for the Renault Zoe (2017 R90 motor). I just had them changed at 65k miles at an indpendent shop like yours. Renault dealer only wanted to change the whole motor...
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair Күн бұрын
I think I've heard about those issues on the Zoe before. We don't get those car's here in the U.S., but I have heard of other similar bearing wear issues on the Hyundai Kona and Kia Niro, though I have yet to actually encounter one myself. I've also heard that the Audi legacy e-Tron drive units are prone to internal coolant leakage issues (though again, I haven't seen one myself).
@ScotGraham
@ScotGraham 2 күн бұрын
Is it possible to get on a list for a coolant delete part from you? I get the impression they are tough to get from QC Charge - San Diego. Happy to pay in advance if needed. I live more than 85 miles from your shop, so I"d have to trailer my B250E over if I could schedule a time for you to do the delete. I'm willing to try it myself (old mechanic and engineer) and then trailer it over if it exceeds my skills. Great car and good to know it isn't doomed! Thanks.
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair Күн бұрын
I'm just about out of my current batch of coolant delete manifolds, but should have more in stock relatively soon hopefully. Installing the delete manifold as a standalone procedure on the B-Class doesn't quite require removing the whole drive unit, but does require quite a bit of disassembly and removal of one motor mount so that that side of the motor can be lowered down enough to provide clearance around the "frame" rail. If you've got the "extended charge" feature on your B-Class, you should be able to make an 85mi drive without too much of an issue! The customer that brought this B-Class actually drove it here all the way from Seattle (which took a long time).
@KAKAFU
@KAKAFU 2 күн бұрын
Thumbs up Do a Video on the Mercedes . 👍👍👍👍👍🍻🍻
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair 2 күн бұрын
It'll be pretty much exactly the same process as the RAV4 EV motor rebuild video series I just did (minus the siezed rotor part), so not much point in making a second video about the same thing...
@Ddprescot
@Ddprescot 2 күн бұрын
Thanks. Can you make a video on how not problematic electric vehicle sounds inside ?
@usa-ev
@usa-ev 2 күн бұрын
The noise sounds like iX sound effects! 😂
@usa-ev
@usa-ev 2 күн бұрын
Awesome topic and well done as always! Do the normal drive units get the bearing issue very often? Would love to see the same top issues for the Model S/X battery packs.
@AlexEVRepair
@AlexEVRepair 2 күн бұрын
By "normal drive units" I assuming your talking about the small drive unit? I have seen or heard of a few, but it's not anywhere near as common as the LDU. I've also heard of some folks having similar issues with some non-Tesla drive units as well, but again, seemingly less common than the LDU. The main thing that all the drive units that suffer from these bearing wear issues have in common is that they are almost always induction motors (as opposed to permanent magnet motors).
@lifeisfuneh
@lifeisfuneh 2 күн бұрын
You are so helpful and to the point! Thanks!
@geoffaries
@geoffaries 2 күн бұрын
This is a very interesting explanation of the challenges that are affecting the value of used EV's and this frequent compatabily issues and upgrades are one of the primary reasons as to why I'm staying with ICE.
@taspiderman1
@taspiderman1 3 күн бұрын
run the top to the bottum and the bottom to the top manafold
@sylvester2294
@sylvester2294 3 күн бұрын
Guessing that failed seal(10 dollar item?) cost the customer on the order of 3k...?? I drove a geo metro...for many years....simple and easy to repair...in the day...I could almost lift the engine out of its bay...Now drive a prius....won't be buying an EV.... you did the best job of explaining a repair that I have seen.....I wanted to see a special device for scraping between the lamination's on the "field" winding...
@sylvester2294
@sylvester2294 3 күн бұрын
D.C. to 3 phase ac.. No shade tree mechanic here...Average mechanic can do brakes and axles...little more....
@javig5045
@javig5045 3 күн бұрын
I will anticipate the next video as I find this so entertaining and educational....Javi G.
@robeigner4390
@robeigner4390 3 күн бұрын
Compared to an ICE engine the Tesla motor is relatively easy to remove without many parts to disconnect. There are several things that need to be removed to get the motor out but nothing like removing fuel injection, alternator wires, spark plug wires, several belts along with worrying about gas lines full of fuel.
@robeigner4390
@robeigner4390 3 күн бұрын
That's a crazy place for the disconnect, something that's very important to have easy access in case of fires and other issues.
@JamesMiller-vi7ib
@JamesMiller-vi7ib 4 күн бұрын
Excellent video I just wonder what the parts and labor cost. Whenever you have new technology, you have new problems!!Cooling water leaking into the electric motor, what a hassle and a headache and expensive
@ItsElectric-hf2dt
@ItsElectric-hf2dt 4 күн бұрын
Totally blown away! Such a complex process, and you make it look so easy at the same time! My deepest admiration for what you do, and hopefully you'll inspire many young adults, like yourself, to take up a trade like this! We will need them, lots of them! A++ on the video narrative as well!
@Tschacki_Quacki
@Tschacki_Quacki 4 күн бұрын
Quality content! Thank you for answering so many questions in the comments!
@tube8533
@tube8533 4 күн бұрын
wow!
@neliosamch3195
@neliosamch3195 4 күн бұрын
What happened to the none corrosive aluminum coolant designed just for aluminum motors?
@tube8533
@tube8533 4 күн бұрын
wow
@tube8533
@tube8533 4 күн бұрын
yes
@tube8533
@tube8533 4 күн бұрын
wow
@thehobe150
@thehobe150 4 күн бұрын
Great repair. I would love to have you as my mechanic. Your diligence during repair is outstanding. I imagine the labor repair cost is inline with replacing an ICE engine but the actual parts cost is minimal compared to an ICE car. Great video as well showing every detail!
@alexlo7708
@alexlo7708 4 күн бұрын
I find EV are easier to maintenance than ICE from this clip.
@juancampos1826
@juancampos1826 4 күн бұрын
Your skills are very impressive. Everyone can see how the auto industry is changing right before their eyes. You are not just a mechanic like in the old days - you are an electro-mechanic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Your skills are truly impressive. Would you mind telling us how much that repair cost? Also, have any cars returned for a second time with a coolant leak? Thank you.
@kevculmstock1
@kevculmstock1 4 күн бұрын
I can always spot a good mechanic by how methodical they are. Nice job sir.
@dustsmoke
@dustsmoke 5 күн бұрын
Green loktite is self wicking. You should read the instructions on the bottle but you can just put the bearing in and then go around it with the green locktite to seal it in there. And save some rtv for the rest of us!
@walter2990
@walter2990 5 күн бұрын
Have you ever thought about doing a Professional video where you include the torque values and actually talk through the minor issues of these rebuilds? Your video covers a lot of the particular issues, but I'm sure that there's many things that you didn't cover. I'm thinking that you could cover that in a Patreon type of video for guys who want to graduate into working on these cars, since EV cars aren't going away and are going to become more common. My son-in-law is a very experienced transmission rebuilder and so he might be the very audience that you could appeal to.
@walter2990
@walter2990 5 күн бұрын
At 25:00, My only suggestion would be to get yourself some brass hammers and brass punches for reinstalling the bearings. They will give you a much better "feel" for the installation. I'm an OG machinist. I'm interested in the overall costs to the customer for your 1st rate rebuild!?
@rykdheiner
@rykdheiner 11 сағат бұрын
I was just thinking the same thing, I’m an automotive tech and cringe every time I see steel punches used on bearings
@walter2990
@walter2990 5 күн бұрын
At 51:00, I'd suggest that you place some soft copper stripes on the housing that you're prying against to remove the smaller gear. Otherwise, I've been enjoying the rest of the video! You're a VERY gifted mechanic and I'm very impressed with your knowledge and professionalism with this issue! The bigger issue is WHY they haven't addressed the issue of a "known" coolant leak issue on these cars!