I think the misconception about cone material not mattering comes from the idea that the cone is moving air and it’s the air moving that causes the sound. After all, if no air is moving, there won’t be any sound. But they aren’t thinking about the cone itself hitting the air directly in front of it and that cone hitting the air makes the cone vibrate thus imparting sound coming directly off the cone. Right? Or no?
@dougschneider82433 сағат бұрын
Essentially, yeah. What they're not considering is that the cone might be breaking up or changing shape in some way that it's no longer moving the air "pistonically" like people assume it is. Also, the weight of the cone or dome factors in, mostly in terms of sensitivity, which affects the power you have to put into it (which can affect distortion, heating, etc.). So people who don't believe materials make a difference are looking at it from an uninformed point of view.
@davidt84387 сағат бұрын
Doug, have there been any materials used over the years that designers learned just don’t make good speaker cones? I’m not talking about something that destroyed itself after a few weeks or something that was ridiculous like gummy bears but more along the lines of foam surrounds which took years before people understood they would rot and disintegrate, or copper because of the weight. Thanks for the informative videos.
@dougschneider82433 сағат бұрын
That's a good question because I think in the case of materials that at first seem good, but then rot (like foam), they find ways to overcome that, then they're good again. For example, you do see foam surrounds these days, but they're treating them with something that allows them to stay. I know in the past paper could have problems, but they treat them and make them work. So off the top of my head I can't think of any materials that are absolute no-nos.
@bentleygt3716Күн бұрын
great conversation. thank you gentlemen. since audio research is ahead of the game.. i wonder if their engineers will one day use A.I to design their equipment ?!!!.
@PerfDayTodayКүн бұрын
Heh.. last week it was the ‘upgraded’ plinth at £11k, this week, a whole new TT. I recently purchased a secondhand P8/Apheta2 combo at a reasonable market price. I can’t comprehend these prices.
@haroldbrooks42352 күн бұрын
I was always a tower or nothing guy. Then when I started seeing many towers with the same amount and size drivers and just a wasted cabinets. Then I started checking out Dali bookshelf speakers an and that was it for me. ❤
@VicHoover-l8s3 күн бұрын
It's digital, not analog. There is no audiophile version of a digital value.
@johnbb993 күн бұрын
A perfect lesson in how to waffle a lot in order to say very little, and not answer the question. Sorry if you think that's rude, but I think it is true.
@mrpmj004 күн бұрын
Today's highend Class D (I own NAD C298, PS Audio S300) is the best. Lightweight, runs barely warm, efficient, so many inputs/outputs. ----- source=Apple Music lossless
@a.c.94952 күн бұрын
You compare cheap low-fi grade gears to actual hifi gears, where quality is a priority and efficiency is just about irrelevant.
@MrKentaroMotoPI4 күн бұрын
Audiophool errand.
@arcadepiano4 күн бұрын
i don't know ANYONE who plugs their smartphone using a mini jack to RCA to a hi-fi amplifier. most population are listening only to the super small only treble drivers on their xiaomi telephone. that is the reality. and i don't know anyone (friends, family, neighbors) who has the computer connected to a mixer with usb port then to amplifier with big speakers. no bo dy
@soundstagenetwork4 күн бұрын
We think you lost everybody...
@kaustix8525 күн бұрын
Love their design. Just wished they were a bit less expensive 😀
@TheDarthvader1235 күн бұрын
I never liked the shopping window from Audio research. But they’re sound is superb.
@jericoba6 күн бұрын
No, you're missing the point here. I'm afraid, I disagree.
@soundstagenetwork6 күн бұрын
We would like to hear your opinion.
@utubecomment216 күн бұрын
You'll need to swap that American flag, for a German flag now!
@soundstagenetwork6 күн бұрын
Do you still play physical media! The Magnetar hardware could be for you. Also, check out our review of the Magnetar UDP400 on SoundStageHiFi.com through this link: www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/1854-magnetar-udp900-4k-ultra-hd-universal-blu-ray-disc-player-dac
@SonicFlare6 күн бұрын
Satellites haven't used vacuum tubes in a very, very long time.
@dalesanderson47646 күн бұрын
Alot of what determines whether they are crap or not depends on the kind of music you listen to. I personally love my full range speakers.
@carljung92307 күн бұрын
most hifi people have absolutely no understanding of any of the technology involved. hence bs like this video, and others extolling hifi usb cables!?
@dougschneider82437 күн бұрын
100% true. A lot of this BS gets spread by people like that. The problem is, some of them are reviewers and, as we've seen in this thread, distributors and dealers...
@BobbyBass-x6i7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I had the 1723S towers and upgraded to the 1723 towers. They sound excellent. The build quality is top notch. Hoping to try the 1528 series when I have the budget. Highly recommend the company.
@soundstagenetwork7 күн бұрын
Great feedback!
@stephenchen14207 күн бұрын
I started with a NAD 3020 integrated amplifier, used it as a preamplifier when I bought the NAD 2150. Now I use tube separates - Vacuum State FVP (four valve preamp) & VTL Deluxe 300 monoblocks.
@soundstagenetwork7 күн бұрын
That sounds like a great system!
@stephenchen14207 күн бұрын
@@soundstagenetwork , driving Bowers and Wilkins 802 D2 - very synergistic. Sources - Thorens 160 super/Rega RB3000/Lyra Etna Lambda, Meridian G08.2 Thank you for the compliment.
@alainthomas64497 күн бұрын
I own a 160M MKII Thanks to audio research for this product. I'm very happy with it. I can understand that the 330M is better but the price is better as well. Otherwise Bravo to Audio Research
@DBTAudio5 күн бұрын
What speakers are you powering with the 160M MkII? If I were to switch from solid state to tubes, Audio Research would be #1 on my list to demo.
@OverkilledUnderdog7 күн бұрын
Jist get the c700 v2. Comes with remote and all the other things mentioned are not worth the extra $1200.
@johns.8 күн бұрын
Fantastic interview. I love my 330’s and can confirm everything Dave said about their musical qualities. They are sublime.
@edgarkramer22368 күн бұрын
Great to hear you're enjoying these terrific amplifiers
@ernestporee36978 күн бұрын
Recording has been phased out of HiFi like phono stages ? Most equipment doesn’t come with tape or recording in’s and outs Recording is looked at as bad ? Even when it’s your stuff… so it’s a combined effort from the manufacturers to put a stop to recording never mind buying equipment to do just that !
@JD-mm4ub8 күн бұрын
I started with a SP3a, then went to a 6, then the 9MKll, then the…
@edgarkramer22368 күн бұрын
Nice upgrade path. I had the Ref 6SE here while reviewing the 330M. Stunning preamplifier
@DataHoarders8 күн бұрын
i just started to rip all my CDs to a digital format because i have set up a streaming server from my Synology NAS with the wonderful Plex and their Plexamp software. With 108TB of storage, space is NOT AN ISSUE!!! I have been ripping to FLAC but now that space is not an issue i wonder, if i want to convert all the rips i made to FLAC to WAV, is there going to be data is loss?
@fransdijkstra74018 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, the tin plates that connect the high and low on the speakers are never discussed. Replacing them with speaker cable or jumpers makes a huge change.
@matrix101redorblupill48 күн бұрын
God amps. But Hegel from Norway is gennerally better amps. I will never go back after my Hegel H600
@edgarkramer22368 күн бұрын
Hegel is a great brand too, albeit very different to the valve-based amplification from Audio Research, of course. No less compelling.
@Givea_shit7 күн бұрын
Hegel is nowhere near arc amp
@Guards63648 күн бұрын
Very informative and interesting interview. Well done. I would really like to see a comprehensive review of the tube maintenance burdens presented by different amplifiers, such as auto biasing versus traditional, protection circuits, etc. thanks for a great video
@edgarkramer22368 күн бұрын
@kerrybh2740 Thank you, enjoyed the chat with Dave Gordon
@georgieboy24328 күн бұрын
Nice to see products made in country, and not farmed out to China.
@soundstagenetwork8 күн бұрын
That’s definitely a factor when choosing audio gear.
@FriendM20108 күн бұрын
As Ferris Beuller would say, Kabella! 😊
@Timer5Tim9 күн бұрын
I just rip using my Asus Blu-ray drive, it also burns CDs, the CD, the rips and the copy all sound identical.
@dougschneider82437 күн бұрын
And so they should.
@mbvx79 күн бұрын
I just got the Sonus Faber Sonetto III G2 about 3 weeks ago. These are beautiful in person. A work of art. The sound is superb. Very dynamic. Incredible instrument separation and massive sound stage. deep and wide. I loved my SF Lumina 2's until I heard these and how infinitely better the Sonus Faber Sonetto III G2 were. Worth Every Penny. These speaker expose bad recordings for what they are, bad. But returns the favor when you put a Good recording on, you hear the emotion behind the music. Nirvana.
@soundstagenetwork9 күн бұрын
It sounds like you've made a great choice!
@auggysimcity9 күн бұрын
I’d enjoy this video more if a well informed audiophile publisher knew what to answer in the comments section? Soundstage is useless. EMM - priceless
@ian-nz-20009 күн бұрын
Can your player play those hard to rip disks? Presumably, most people would have replaced them if they upset their player...
@dougschneider82439 күн бұрын
That's a really good question -- one that I can't answer right now. I started ripping discs long ago, but the way I noticed the problems was through ripping -- suddenly, certain discs started showing these errors. Did they play right before? Probably most of them did -- CD players have pretty robust error correction, but also, most errors are small and can go by unnoticed. Probably the worst of the bunch, however, is the Blue Rodeo one. I should rip it again, look closely where the errors are, then play it in one of my current players.
@YouTube-Account-User9 күн бұрын
I have the Arendal 1732 Monitors with the dual 8" drivers, and let me tell you, NOTHING I have ever owned even compares. I just listen to music with it and I get emotional on a daily basis...no joke. The music coming out of Arendal speakers makes me cry it's so good.
@bijuvsvs42869 күн бұрын
Fooling people,digital copies all are the same,the main advantage of the format
@dougschneider82439 күн бұрын
You're 100% right. At the file state bits are simply bits and one copy is the same as good as the original and the next one that comes after it.
@sglogan7710 күн бұрын
Outstanding interview. Love Paul Hales work.
@soundstagenetwork10 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@diskobean10 күн бұрын
A huge difference for me (and I've been recording high-end high resolution audio live for almost 30 years) is that FLAC is able to be TAGGED. At least with my tagger, MP3Tag v3.28 at the moment. WAV files can't, and that's a big enough reason for me to KEEP encoding in FLAC format. Also, yes HDD/SSD space is CHEAP, BUT when you have well over 2,000+ recordings, it's just uneconomical to keep everything in WAV files. And back to the tagging. For every set I record, I make a 24-Bit fileset chopped into tracks, as well as a 16/44.1 CD quality chopped fileset, plus I'm one of the ONLY Taper's who make 320 MP3's as well. And I leave my RAW, uncut masters untracked and just FLAC'd. With 3 sources per set, I end up with 20-30gb of FLAC's per set/show. And trust me when I say this, there is NOOOOOO audible or digital differences between FLAC and WAV files!!! I have done blind comps for the last 25 years and I just can't tell a difference between a 24/96 WAV vs FLAC, and I have AMAZING hearing and can easily hear the difference between different IEM cables and materials. Once more, a properly encoded FLAC SHOULD uncompress to an identical WAV, so where'd the difference go between encoding and decoding? Nowhere because there is NO difference, or I wouldn't risk my live recordings by encoding them to FLAC (and SHN format before FLAC). If you have the space and don't care about tagging, then I say go for it and leave the WAV files alone. But for anyone with a massive library of live recordings AND high resolution albums, it's just not a plausible idea and not having things tagged would get ugly VERY VERY quickly 😢
@ronwilgenbusch196110 күн бұрын
I have an old P4 Dell tower running winXP, with a Plextor drive and Exact Audio Copy. Been ripping to wave and flac for 20 years. It’s the only thing that computer gets used for anymore, because of the plextor drive being really good. This new drive is all snake oil. For proof, I’ve burnt hundreds of disks, cdr,dvd, you name it. The software I burnt to some disks back in the late nineties on slow speed 2x or 4x burners of the day, still work and install to this day. I do some retro computer stuff, that’s why I have old burnt disks. I f that software reads and installs just fine, then the error correction and CRC checks being done by the drive are working. If there was a bit or byte difference somewhere in the data, it wouldn’t make it through the install.
@soundstagenetwork10 күн бұрын
You make some excellent points, and it sounds like you have a great setup.
@ronwilgenbusch196110 күн бұрын
@@soundstagenetworkThe next thing they’ll invent is a grounding cable for the Toslink fiber interconnects. LOL. Kind of like back when in the Air Force, they used to send some newbie to base supply to ask for Prop Wash, to clean the propellers on the C130 aircraft. Supply would laugh them out the door…
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
I think many people are in a similar situation -- they dedicate an older computer to doing this simple task. In fact, it's what I do with that Samsung I mentioned. It's about 10 years old now, I think. Some of those computers now more than a few years have very good drives in them.
@davidclarke665810 күн бұрын
Some CD roms used to have trouble copying real time without introducing errors into the stream. But enabling the software error correction (slower) while ripping used to solve that problem. Also, some commercial CDs used to purposely write in a error which still played ok, but would cause a error while ripping. I remember some CD ripper programs that had features to get around it though.
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
I could definitely see CD-ROMs giving some drives and software issues -- they don't conform to the Red Book standard. I have trouble with the commercial CDs purposely generating write errors -- that would be difficult to do. But who knows?
@davidclarke665810 күн бұрын
@dougschneider8243 I had a couple with copy protection written on the cover that said it will play in a CD player, but can't be ripped (get a read error when you try). But one ripping software I had you could get around it.
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
@@davidclarke6658 Interesting. Which albums and what year were the discs produced?
@davidclarke665810 күн бұрын
@dougschneider8243 One was "Satisfaction" by Benny Benassi (2002). I have the disk packed up in storage. The other, I can't remember what it was. But also early 2000's. This was Australian release CD's if that makes any difference.
@soundstagenetwork10 күн бұрын
@@davidclarke6658 Not sure it does make any difference -- but it's certainly interesting.
@hopebyron827110 күн бұрын
Are you still using The Rotel Michi x5 Jeff Fritz?
@dsnyder0cnn10 күн бұрын
LIke you, I appreciate dBpoweramp's integration with the AccurateRip database. However, when I find a disc that has errors (a small percentage of my collection), I generally just buy another copy of that disc...worst case from Discogs or similar. That $1,1100+ cost difference vs a standard optical drive will cover the cost of a LOT of replaced CDs. :-D
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
Sounds like we are pretty much the same. Even if a single "bit" can't possibly make a difference you'd hear, an OCD audiophile like me just hates that it's there -- and would definitely buy a replacement CD just to not have that.
@sandytrunks10 күн бұрын
@0:51 "...there was not one bit of difference." 😅Nice pun.
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
Thanks. It was deliberate.
@fabe820410 күн бұрын
What about the quality of the ripping software? Are some better than others? I use X Lossless Decoder (XLD), how does it compare with dBpoweramp?
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
Good question -- and, yes, the software can definitively have an affect as it controls the drive and writes the file. Thankfully, these things are pretty easy to check. I don't know X Lossless Decoder, but have used dBpoweramp and Exact Audio Copy. Both can be trialed for free. Foobar2000 is free and I can't say enough good things about Binary Comparator -- very useful. What I'd do is to rip some of your CDs using one of these other packages and use Binary Comparator to compare the results. If they're the same, X Lossless Decoder is probably fine.
@fabe820410 күн бұрын
@@dougschneider8243 Thank you, I'll try out the software you mention.
@fabe820410 күн бұрын
@@dougschneider8243 EAC and Binary Comparator are not available for macOS, too bad.
@biglew11615 күн бұрын
@@dougschneider8243 I use EAC almost exclusively. but have also used db power amp because of some other features it has that EAC doesn't.
@censortube377810 күн бұрын
I have a pair of Silver 100 7gs and they are quite enough for the room I have them in. The bass is super stiff and clear, I'm a big RUSH fan and I can easily hear the bass separate from the drums. They can also crank louder over 90 DB and still maintain their clarify
@garmtz10 күн бұрын
An accurate rip is an accurate rip! It cannot be ‘accurater’! As long as you use the correct drive offset (very important! I don’t think the iTunes ripper compensates for it) and use AccurateRip to check the data by CRC, there is no difference in the data. This is just science. I can see some disagreement about the sound quality differences between CD transports. But this video is not about CD audio transports. It is about getting audio data from tge disc. There is a profound difference here! In an audio CD transports, the bits read form a return-to-zero real time bitstream with clocking sent in the data stream. This means jitter becomes important. When the audio is read (and reread and checked in a non real time data reading process), jitter is not an issue as jitter matters only in AD and DA conversions. So yes, sound quality differences between CD transports exist when they send an S/PDIF signal to a DAC, but differences fall away when the audio is read as data. Also, CD transports that buffer the data and reclock data on the output are approaching the ideal, but even surprising low amounts of jitter will still give differences.
@dougschneider824310 күн бұрын
Thank you for posting this!
@jwc310411 күн бұрын
Bose 901 enters.
@anthonyf395711 күн бұрын
Only an idiot would spend money on something so stupid.
@dougschneider824311 күн бұрын
I don't know if "idiot" is the correct word -- but someone would have to come up with a pretty good reason to actually want to spend this much. And I'm not sure what that reason could be.