What’s funny is the Rube Goldberg beliefs on conspiracy theorists.

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With all due respect, your turnabout on this after 25 years, leads me to wonder how much of that time was spent truly immersing yourself in the subject.

More than four people heard shots from other locations than the book depository. More than 30 people heard shots fired from the book depository.

I noticed that, too. Very interesting.

Your evidence of more than three shots (while ignoring that the majority of witnesses here 3) is that “flurry” couldn’t possibly mean 3? Really? There were people behind the knoll who said they saw nothing. There are witnesses that say they saw all sorts of things. Many of them change their story repeatedly. The author addresses the witness who said he saw the gun handed off to another person who took apart the rifle apart. Maybe you’d want to listen to that part. There are many witnesses, like I said, who say things that don’t make any sense (like saying they saw Jack Ruby somewhere where he couldn’t have been since many other people were with him at the time in another location) or change overtime(often becoming more flashy and detailed like people who initially said they saw a perosn and then years later say they say a person with a gun and a puff of smoke etc). I am not arguing against every witness because I don’t know all the witness, just pointing out how “why weren’t these witnesses included in the warren commission” doesn’t mean the witness is a reliable and consistent one that simply didn’t fit the story but is in fact not very reliable for potentially multiple reasons.

@@vhufeosqap - So you're claiming Kellerman had no command of the English language, or was sloppy with the words he chose. Precious. LOL There's nothing revolutionary about simultaneous shots sounding as one shot. Could account also for why earlier shots were described by many as 'firecrackers', but the latter shot was not. Many noted the audible difference. Here's just 'one way' I know it's more than 3. It 'was' 3 after the FBI and SS concluded their investigation, mostly due to the 3 shells found at the window, thats the automatic barrier. However, about April 64 it became evident to all that a shot had either struck or caused an injury to James Tague under the overpass. In EVERYONE'S head this meant that a 4rth shot had to be accounted for. VOILA, Arlen Spector makes up a theory that one shot 'must have' struck two men. Now keep in mind, Spector is working 'backwards'. FBI, SS, and Dallas Police had NOT come up with this wild and crazy conclusion. It was Spector, working backwards'. Arlen counts on the lap dog media, and a gullible enough public to buy into that, and enough do despite it knowingly being totally fabricated in front of everyone's eyes. It's a cute theory, but it's utterly ridiculous son, ESPECIALLY when you consider the known evidence. Magic bullets? Pristine bullet? Come on son, who we kidding here. Now, these machinations were watched and documented in real time. If you want to believe such hokey fabrications coming from 'politicians' of all people, then knock yourself silly. Only the CIA and it's lackey media would even attempt to push such absurdity. I'm WAY beyond the judging good and bad witnesses, that leads nowhere. How about we believe what ALL of them say they witnessed and figure things from there son. The Warren opinion was only one of many ways to look at this case. And 'they' were on a mission that everyone knows about now. Get over Warren. And most importantly, remember these are actual people we are talking about, who do the things actual people do. It's not just words on records and papers. So, I'm asking everyone, what do you think is contained within the last 4-5 thousand hidden classified documents? Do you think they'll get released? Looking forward to it? .

@@ghostdance56 there is no “magic bullet” or “pristine bullet”. The erroneous sketches and drawings showing Kennedy and Connolly seated at the same elevation and the same distance from the side wall of the car are incorrect. The governor is seated in a jump seat which is lower and closer to the middle of the car. The shot lines up without any silly magical turns etc. Also, the bullet is not pristine. It would seem to be based on the more well known side picture, but there is another photo of the bullet showing it is significantly deformed.

@@vhufeosqap - Sorry son, I don't have time to rehash the same old crap with you. Do a little experiment. Take Connally's wounds as he was seated and draw a line thru all 3 of them.. Then marvel at the trajectory it makes. No matter how you strain yourself, the line is coming 'down' from over his right shoulder, coming "down from above". You won't be able to curve that line back to Kennedy's 'neck' with any integrity. And it's not even close. LOL You're selling crap son, get over it. Now again, what do you think is remaining in the hidden classified documents? Do you think they'd be the most important of all since they're so resistant to releasing them? What do you think they're hiding so long?

@@ghostdance56 Trump released abunch and Biden released abunch. I don’t think there will be lots of ground breaking stuff in there. The government produces so many documents that it can’t keep up with itself. They will have things that are “classified” that have already been printed in the papers. From what I’ve read it seems like the things that are still redacted are about Oswald in Mexico City. I read an article saying the redacted material will look for for the CIA… that they failed to relay information to the FBI about Oswald and that maybe the CIA had semi solid information that Oswald was going to attempt to kill Kennedy but they didn’t get that info to FBI. I’ve heard that a somewhat similiar thing happened related to 9/11… that the agencies didn’t communicate well enough and failed to stop it when they should have. Based on what I’ve read that’s what it seems like.

The CIA wants you to believe that they killed JFK. It makes them look more powerful.

The shot that hit JFK in the back hit him about 5.5 inches below the mastoid process, not 5.5 inches below the collar. A collar is not a part of the human body, so describing the location of the wound that way does not tell you where he was actually hit. JFK was not hit in the temple, and the X-rays do not show that he was hit twice in the head. The two fragments found in the front of the limo both came from the head shot, and both were matched to Oswald's rifle. Why were all these other shots you described never heard, why were no shooters ever seen, and why was no physical evidence of them never found?

You are counting exit wounds and entry wounds as separate shots/“hits”. The ay you phrase it makes it sound like 4 shots hit Kennedy, which would mean 8 entry and 8 exits. There are not that many holes. There are 4 holes.

Fact JFK was never hit by any bullet. His head just did that by itself.

People hear 1)there is a witness who disagrees with the warren commission and 2) they died and then run with it. Many of the witnesses that people say were excluded because they “didn’t fit the narrative” were not included because they said things that weren’t possible because they did things that made no sense (like seeing someone who was known to be in a different location at the time) or they changed their story. If someone who said they heard 6 shots, how is that supposed to fit when the majority of witnesses say they heard 3 and that fits the rest of the evidence? That means every other witness is totally wrong which seems unlikely. Also, I have heard about (but don’t remember the names of, sorry) which people say had suspicious deaths and they you look into it and they were 63 and had had heart disease for years or they were an alcoholic etc People die everyday so people that were in the plaza dying doesn’t necessarily mean anything suspicious at all.

He answered all of those questions in this book.

@@christophermanley3602 Yes, he did. By ignoring them.

@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc When Michael Paine tried to have a debate with Lee Harvey Oswald, he found it was not possible. "He was quite dogmatic," he recalled, "He thought he knew the truth, and therefore, I was just spouting the line that was fed to me by the power structure." That night at dinner, Oswald closed off any discussion with the Paines once they challenged his ideas. Sound familiar?

@@christophermanley3602 Michael Paine took Oswald to both Right Wing and Left Wing Meetings. Paine was also the Aire to the largest Military Industrial Company of the Vietnam War. Also he was married to a CIA Operative, who had Oswald's rifle stored in her garage that she admitted to being in on a daily basis and yet did not know it was there. LOL. She visited Allen Dulles at his summer home on an Island off the Coast of Connecticut. Her Tax Returns are Classified. They were spooks and the handlers of Oswald. So his remarks about discussions with Oswald are highly suspect. The two of them spent more time in front of Warren Commission "Investigators" than anyone else.

@@christophermanley3602 You cannot believe ANYTHING Michael Paine claims. Michael Paine was Oswald's handler, and accompanied him to meetings for John Birchers and Left wing groups. Ruth Paine was Marina's handler. (They were all spooks) She visited Allen Dulles at his summer home. Marina was the niece of a Russian Intelligence officer. Both of the Paine's Tax Returns are classified. So was Oswald's.

When Michael Paine tried to have a debate with Oswald, he found it was not possible. "He was quite dogmatic," he recalled, "He thought he knew the truth, and therefore, I was just spouting the line that was fed to me by the power structure." That night at dinner, Oswald closed off any discussion with the Paines once they challenged his ideas. Sound familiar?

"Fortunately all Parkland doctors until they died suggested that the neck shot was an entry wound..." False. Four of the five doctors who treated JFK at Parkland (Baxter, Carrico, Jenkins, and Perry) said that nothing they observed contradicted the autopsy finding that the bullets were fired from above and behind by a high velocity rifle, and that they did not see evidence of gunshot wounds from the front. The ballistic and forensic evidence, the autopsy X-Rays and photos, and the Zapruder film all support the conclusion that the shots came from above and behind the motorcade, and the bullets and fragments were all matched to Oswald's rifle. Why would you take the speculations of doctors who never even examined JFK and never even looked at his back over the conclusions of the doctors who actually performed the autopsy and all of the other hard evidence?

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Assertions without credible evidence are worthless.

..... & What is your idea of "Credible Evidence"? This should be entertaining. @@9Ballr

@@floydburney6060 You claimed that LBJ was behind the assassination. Tell me what evidence establishes that LBJ was behind the assassination.

I’ve thought about that, too- people are upset that 2020 was “stolen,” but don’t know that 1960 was “stolen” too.

Yeah, but do you know what it means?.. Do you have foundational evidence that indicates it was sinister in nature?.. Nope.. lol.. That means you cannot even talk about it in court, David..

@@jacobjones5269 What does it mean? A police car that was supposedly not reported to be in the area with 2 officers honking the horn with Oswald either still in his room or standing at the bus station at the corner. "Sinister in nature?" Wow. You kind of answered it for me. According to 4 witnesses at the Tippit murder scene, there was another cop car in the alley that was blocked by Tippit's car. The witness across the street stated she saw a man following it back through the alley as it moved in reverse after the shooting. That sounds pretty "sinister in nature."

Answer the question?.. Do you know what it means.. I’ll show you how answering questions is done, Dave.. Only one witness THAT DAY said a police car was “already there”.. And that was Virginia Davis, I believe.. And from her POV she could not see Tippit bleeding out on the other side of the cruiser she saw.. The others were “developed” by Mark Lane years later and have no provenance whatsoever.. You never hear me bring up Jack Tatum..

I never mentioned Jack Tatum. I said the woman directly across the street. That was not Virginia Davis. Virginia Davis is the witness who said that Officer Croy was on the scene within seconds of Oswald turning the corner of Tenth and Patton. She also said the Tippit car was parked in front of the house WHERE HE LIVED. Let that sink in. The woman I was talking about was on the second floor of her home. Her name was Hollum and she had the best vantage point of the alley and the 2nd car. And I did not say that was the car at Oswald's rooming house. You did. But it might make a lot more sense that the car was both. Both the car that the landlady saw and the car that the witnesses saw in the alley.

@@davidarbuckle7236 Once again, Virginia Davis is the only witness to say that day the police were already there.. And she was obviously looking at Tippit’s cruiser.. And I don’t care what you think makes sense, ok?.. Connect it.. Do you have any foundational evidence this whatever it was was sinister in nature?.. Besides a car horn honking?.. lol.. No… You don’t.. lol.. It’s just more innuendo nonsense..

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Citation needed

The HSCA was wrong about a second gunman, and they agreed with the WC on virtually every other finding.

Who are the at least eight witnesses who said Oswald was on the 2nd floor having lunch at the time of the shooting?

@@9Ballr, (1) a police officer & a Book Depository supervisor saw and spoke to Lee Oswald 90-120 seconds after the shooting in the 2nd Floor cafeteria. (2) The BD has no working elevator. 2 women Book Depository employees ran down the stairs seconds after the shooting. No Oswald. (3) Another woman employee was working at the base of the 4th floor stair case opening from the time of the shooting onward. No Oswald. (4) Minutes before the shooting, a BD employee was having lunch on the Sixth Floor at THAT window. At least 2 of his friends on the 5th Floor in the window just below called out to him and asked him to join them, which he did. No Oswald. There's your eight. Any other questions? 🙂

@@henry-bo3np You said that according to at least eight witnesses Oswald was having lunch on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting. I asked you who these witnesses were and you not only did not identify any of them by name, but in your response you didn't say that any of them said that Oswald was on the 2nd floor having lunch at the time of the shooting. Did the police officer and the supervisor say that Oswald was having lunch on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting? Did the two women who ran down the stairs say that Oswald was on the floor having lunch at the time of the shooting? Did the woman working near the fourth floor staircase say that Oswald was having lunch on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting? Did the employee having lunch on the sixth floor say that Oswald was having lunch on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting? Did the two friends on the fifth floor say that Oswald was having lunch on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting? Who exactly said that Oswald was on the 2nd floor having lunch at the time of the shooting?

@@9Ballr, buddy, the name of the man on the 6th floor at THAT window having lunch minutes before the shooting is Bonnie Ray Williams. I found that on the internet in about 25 seconds. The names of the other (at least 7) witnesses that back up Lee Oswald's statements are just as easily located. Do some work! 🙂

@@9Ballr, Police Officer Marrion Baker and Lee Oswald's boss Roy Truly saw Oswald in the 2nd floor cafeteria less than 2 minutes after shooting. Please do some research.

People find it hard to believe that one small man alone could take down such a powerful figure. Yes, the CIA has been involved in assassinations and coups around the world. But how do we know that? Because we have hard facts, evidence, and internal leaks. After 60 years, all we have in the JFK assassination to implicate the CIA, LBJ, the MIC or the Mafia are second hand accounts, unreliable admissions of guilt, weak circumstantial evidence and coincidences, and a whole bunch of conjecture. Life is chaotic, and things aren’t always as ordered as we’d like to believe. Sometimes an angry man with a gun is all you need.

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Yes, it closed on November 24th, 1963.

How would publishing ALL JFK files prove anything? Wouldn’t the government have destroyed any incriminating evidence already? That’s how conspiracy theories work- lack of evidence is evidence.

@@christophermanley3602 Yes, it's a fallacy called argument from ignorance.