I saw City Of Carlisle break a cylinder in Ormskirk Station on 7pm Glasgow to Liverpool Exchange it set fire to embankments both sides of the track. The noise could be heard at some distance away. I didnt have time to be terrified just gob smacked as it tried to pull a train of about 11 coaches on with next to no vaccuum as i understand it.
@FeckHallBahn4 ай бұрын
I remember reading about this at the time, never seen any video before. Must’ve been quite terrifying on the footplate before they regained control of the regulator. Priming???
@Ghforshort5 ай бұрын
13:49
@hasod227 ай бұрын
Idiots , why not shut the reg
@gresleyng-thebritishrailwayfan Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm sorry if I rushed you or asking this question, may I have your permission to use the audio from this video? Cause I needed this Flying Scotsman whistle sound, I hope you reply.
@Daisytbear Жыл бұрын
Hello, yes please feel free to use the audio from this video! Thank you for asking
@gresleyng-thebritishrailwayfan Жыл бұрын
@@Daisytbear thank you!
@RJ1999x Жыл бұрын
Call Fred Dibnah, he would have fixed it
@keithtanner28062 жыл бұрын
Ye Gods!!
@yeetscreamer60302 жыл бұрын
MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE
@McCadebountyhunter2 жыл бұрын
My first job after leaving school was there. 😀
@iankemp11312 жыл бұрын
Adrian Vaughan stated that Stanier regulators had to be opened to full before they could be shut. Don't quite know why. He commented that it made things more difficult in the Chapel-en-le-Frith accident of 1957, when a main steam pipe broke and the driver was struggling to close the regulator by this route with the cab full of high pressure steam. The train then went over the summit, ran away down a steep incline and collided with another one, and the brave driver (John Axon) who had stayed with the engine to try to stop it and warn others was killed. It looks as if this might have contributed to the delay in closing the regulator here, and priming and water carryover making the regulator very hard to shut (incompressible water instead of steam) were presumably the main cause.
@michaelperkins57463 жыл бұрын
unbelievable saftey does not come first
@MastersofMelody13 жыл бұрын
The whistle would disgrace Thomas the Tank Engine! A great engine should have a great whistle - such as the chime whistle on 'Mullard'
@johnfellows2867 Жыл бұрын
V2 Green Arrow also had the same awful squeaky whistle !
@bennickss3 жыл бұрын
If only it was still operational instead of locked up in york to rot..
@elainelethborg25503 жыл бұрын
That's more like the whistle he got back in 2019. That tin pea squeaker was put on him in Boston. They can have it back!!!!
@Absolut531kmh3 жыл бұрын
That's not Hamilton brouuuu
@mick35w4 жыл бұрын
Should not be on the foot plate, irresponsible and dangerous!
@Paraffinmeister4 жыл бұрын
that's a nice comfy looking armchair you have there.
@mick35w4 жыл бұрын
@@Paraffinmeister hey thanks 👍
@raycross17835 жыл бұрын
Picked up the water alright..................
@WadcaWymiaru5 жыл бұрын
Those IDIOTS! They nearly killed loco! When it slip they should reduce the power and drop some sand, insted, they made the train boiler nearly EXPLODE !!! (not by pressure, but vibrations) *IDIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS!!!* Risking ~100 people life, scumbags :\
@tomhouseman94835 жыл бұрын
Władca Wymiaru no. The boiler was overfilled and water carried over into the regulator valve meaning it was impossible to close the regulator. The driver did the right thing in fully opening the regulator to get the water out of the valve and then closing the regulator. I imagine with it been a wet day the sand in the sanders would of got damp so the 2 that ran onto the track were to hand sand the rails. No life's were at risk here as the boilers are stress tested for everything and wouldn't vibrate as they are VERY securely bolted down!
@Paraffinmeister5 жыл бұрын
Can we see your grade card please?
@tomhouseman94835 жыл бұрын
Alistair Foden who's?
@haroldpearson60255 жыл бұрын
Water in the super heater matrix will do that as steam is still produced even when regulator is closed.
@nigelterry92996 жыл бұрын
You can see me leaning out, 4th coach back. Overloaded? No, she made a swift run apart from this slip. As for the regulator sticking, common problem on BIG engines because the flow of steam deflects the plate and makes it stick open.
@shaneisaperson31616 жыл бұрын
The locomotive in the video is not duchess of Hamilton
@jackcarter51016 жыл бұрын
?
@shaneisaperson31616 жыл бұрын
@@jackcarter5101 what's there to be confused about
@jackcarter51016 жыл бұрын
A lot - how do you know? Which loco is it?
@shaneisaperson31616 жыл бұрын
@@jackcarter5101 it says it in the title dumy
@jackcarter51016 жыл бұрын
@@shaneisaperson3161 The title says Duchess of Hamilton, but you said it's NOT Duchess of Hamilton!
@jackcarter51016 жыл бұрын
1:43
@tedgoater6 жыл бұрын
Great clip! I was another passenger that day, remember the occurrence. It was Saturday 28th May, train basically 11 coaches for Leander from Carnforth to Hellifield then 46229 attached the other end with 3 more carriages of the, was it, ’55 Club’ dining cars? to make total 14. In dismal conditions for time of year, the climb to Blea Moor was good. Believe the track is level at Dent, but the curve made restart tougher. The wheelspin was alarming and it was a relief when it ended and we were able to restart normally.
@brucetharpe7626 жыл бұрын
13:40 Flying Scotsman’s real voice
@ianskeggs52946 жыл бұрын
I think that engineer made a statement there! Good on you
@jodysmith79346 жыл бұрын
Where's the banking locomotive they should have used one then they wouldn't have had no problems!!!!
@Meddled6 жыл бұрын
Impressive that the engine propelled itself out of the depressions it just carved into the rails!
@davidhyer34046 жыл бұрын
Oh that hurts to listen to
@dariusthedmirconsolidation34943 жыл бұрын
Tell that to the engine her self as she’s hurting her own wheels, rods, and pistons. But not only them, the rails were suffering in hellish agony too.
@steamgent45926 жыл бұрын
Ahhh the good ole days before modern signaling and Duchess still under steam.........
@richardmasters35716 жыл бұрын
Although I enjoy watching them, I know nothing about steam trains. But having read all the comments below it is clear that operating these machines requires a lot of skill. So, huge respect for the guys on the footplate!
@mick35w6 жыл бұрын
Drivers today don’t have the experience like back in the old days, I was at Durham when blue peter had catastrophic wheel spin,
@michelebeck43116 жыл бұрын
Your summer looks like shit
@nigelterry92996 жыл бұрын
I was on this train and this was the only sign of trouble. Overloaded my foot!!!! Over enthusiastic opening of the regulator!!!
@michaeljohn72627 жыл бұрын
Only a sticking regulator
@simon2010637 жыл бұрын
Could have gone full Blue Peter. Never go full Blue Peter.
@mildly_miffed_man14145 жыл бұрын
@Captain Dildoface it had such bad wheelslip it almost started melting the wheels and blew the linkage all to hell. There's footage on youtube
@BNSFGuy47235 жыл бұрын
Simon Swain I love this comment
@DuchéIlyène Жыл бұрын
Terrible idea
@MB_Videos17 жыл бұрын
Great video wheel slippage the Achilles heel of steam locomotives, hard to regulate power with a manual throttle. kzbin.info/www/bejne/joO0do2cipV4jbc
@deeremeyer17537 жыл бұрын
1983, huh? What brand of camcorder did you have back then, Chief? VHS, I'm assuming? Odd thing about the whole VHS "winning the format war" against BetaMax is that VHS was a direct record only format for many years following its "victory" because Sony owned the technology for recording sound and video on magnetic tape. VHS VIDEOCASSETTE RECORDERS were NOT camcorders. They were connected to cable or antenna input and recorded cable or broadcast television programming or other signals that could be made "compatible" with the technology. A lot of people seem to think VHS meant everyone immediately had a "camcorder". Not so much. It was close to ten years after VHS was first "introduced" before affordable, amateur-level camcorders capable of handling videocassettes were available, and the most successful ones said Sony on the side and used a compact videocassette. So overall, I'm pretty sure this "1983" thing is a lie or a big mistake. Its pretty obvious from at least one of the cars in the video that's not the UK circa 1983, either.
@Tvuvtctoj46fck2 жыл бұрын
Too much spare time, huh?
@mildly_miffed_man14142 жыл бұрын
: | It’s not that deep
@justandy3337 жыл бұрын
Experimenting at friction welding to gain adhesion?
@charliegalloway67417 жыл бұрын
these enginespulled20 coaches at one time
@LuckyTrucker16 жыл бұрын
Ok 20 coaches as you say , but on what route ?
@charlie89704 жыл бұрын
@@LuckyTrucker1 yeah it was a test run between crew and Glasgow by duchess of abercorn it still holds the British record to day
@JohnSmith-pd1fz7 жыл бұрын
Lots of armchair drivers and american experts still posting advice.
@AEKarnes4 жыл бұрын
Pay them no mind, Americans don't know much about steam engines and don't seem to want to anymore.
@JohnSmith-pd1fz4 жыл бұрын
++@@AEKarnes++ But they do claim to have the biggest, loudest, most powerful steam locomotive ever made and have recently restored it to some sort of working order apparently.
@AEKarnes4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-pd1fz Americans think size is everything. The boiler on that monster isn't even designed to fire properly.
@JohnSmith-pd1fz4 жыл бұрын
++@@AEKarnes++ Well I had my reservations when i first heard about it. I wonder if it was intended to be wood fired, rather than coal.
@adamcordell3 жыл бұрын
@@AEKarnes isn’t designed to fire properly? Who told you that? In terms of pulling power, the big boy was one of the most successful, but it’s not the most. I curious as to why you say Americans don’t care to learn about steam locomotives anymore, most problems these days is the new generation of steam railroaders want to learn, but most all of the old heads aren’t willing to teach
@rogerking72588 жыл бұрын
Sounds like these locos need some sort of emergency dump valve that can vent the excess steam when this happens.
@TestECull7 жыл бұрын
Or perhaps just a better regulator design that isn't prone to jamming itself wide open when wheelslip occurs. Note you never see a US steamer do this when the wheels slip, engy closes the regulator and it stops feeding steam to the cylinders. On many british steamers the regulator won't close when there's a large flow of steam around it, thus we see what's effectively a runaway engine. The only times American steamers came close to doing this was on the mallets, where one set of drivers would remain firmly adhered to the rails while the other slipped. Often this would go unnoticed by the engineer because the length of such locomotives and the massive diameter of their boilers meant it was difficult to see the forward drivers and the sound of the in-traction engine would obscure the sound of the slipping one. PRR had problems with severe damage to running gear on their 4-4-4-4 steamers because of this, often because it would happen while the locomotive was already ripping along at 70-80MPH. Even here, though, if the engineer caught it and closed the regulator the wheels calmed right back down again.
@trustyoldiron54166 жыл бұрын
On the surface that sounds like a good idea. But you need to remember steam is not like compressed air. Because the water is the boiler is already well above it's normal boiling point and the only thing keeping it from turning into steam is the pressure in the boiler. So as you remove steam (pressure) from the boiler the water in the boiler instantly turns to steam maintaining the pressure. So if you were to dump large amounts of steam/pressure you'd also be losing a lot of water potentially uncovering the crown sheet with deadly results. As the engine began to slip the regulator jammed from the steam flow. The crew did a good job with the options they had. You can see they opened the cylinder drain cocks at 1:57 to lower the pressure locally at the cylinders.
@nigelterry92996 жыл бұрын
Roger King they have one, the drain taps. When the slip gets out of control, the taps are opened but the only thing that stopped this one was a brake application. As for the regulator, with such a low dome needed to fit under the British loading gauge, water carry over is inevitable on a loco this size, even with a smoke box regulator a la Blue Peter.
@renegadeoflife878 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or do all the British locomotives share this design flaw where a wheel slip causes the boiler to prime into the superheater, generating a surge of flash steam that makes the wheelslip become violent and can't be easily dissapated. The crew ends up only able to ride out the wheelslip and be more careful trying again.
@nigelterry92997 жыл бұрын
renegadeoflife87 the problem is one of loading gauge. Remember that the steam railway 1st appeared in the UK and no one knew how big the trains should be. So Europe learned from our mistake and made their loading gauge bigger. Then came the US, Africa, India and Australia. Russia and China were the last countries to see railways so their loading gauge is MASSIVE!!! The UK gauge means that large locos such as this need a flat dome so the height of the regulator valve above the water level in the boiler is restricted, leading to water carry-over during bouts of slipping.
@MrJimbaloid8 жыл бұрын
ohhh scary stuff is that when an engine starts priming?
@thomasweekley92098 жыл бұрын
I wonder what caused the slip
@smitajky8 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the driver had just come from his sports car where he drops "wheelies" getting away from each traffic light?
@thomasweekley92098 жыл бұрын
smitajky they were luck that the duchess didn't go full on BLUE PETER when that happened
@simon2010638 жыл бұрын
Doubtless it would have, had the driver not got the drain cocks open in time.
@jamesarkell54198 жыл бұрын
The brakes weren't fully released and the regulator is very difficult to close when there is a rush of steam like that. It has to be wound back into mid-gear and even then it takes steam and still runs so it has to be opened wide and slammed shut. One of the support crew dealt with it on that occasion, I was there at the time. We had several similar incidents with that engine. I remember one time at Kirkby Stephen when we got a signal check during a record run but we were moving and the rail didn't get damaged like it did at Dent. Fortunately the motion on those engines is very tough and don't bend however fast they go, unlike some other classes. The princesses used to occasionally bend their rods but the duchesses had rods made of Vibrac which is a Chrome/Moly steel alloy. Some of the rebuilt Scots had Vibrac rods e.g. 46100 has them but 46115 doesn't. There was an incident at Watford once when a Duchess ran for over 15 minutes and wore through the head of the rail.
@gordonashumway8 жыл бұрын
They should change the driver.
@KrisDouglas8 жыл бұрын
Driver didn't really do anything wrong...
@espeescotty8 жыл бұрын
From then after, it has been known as Dent In The Rails Station.
@KeeperOfPoops8 жыл бұрын
just imagine if there was a bridge where she was slipping and people were on there, that'd be chaos
@mattseymour86378 жыл бұрын
What a wheelslip! Could be overfilled boiler or priming or just too much regulator causing wheelslip and regulator jammed open. Thought the cylinder valves would have been opened sooner though!? Like the way the officials checked the valve gear for damage!
@nickcumbria44728 жыл бұрын
I was there it was F###ing scary, and there were 6 big lumps of track missing later! The centre drivers were glowing and sending sparks everywhere...somewhere there's a story that all that happened was the brakes hadn't come off....That said Hamilton also slipped at Carlisle and caused a massive "bang" as all the soot and muck arched off the overhead wires again on a dramatic slip still she always was a bit of a drama queen fantastic machine though.
@barrycarlisle45113 жыл бұрын
You poor thing!!
@wasatchrangerailway69218 жыл бұрын
a stuck regulator can be scary as Hell particularly while trying to get the damn thing stopped at speed. Just keep your wits about you and place the Johnson Bar or in England the reverser in the middle. It will take longer with the screw type reverser but it can be done!
@Kestnuts8 жыл бұрын
+Wasatch Range Railway Tell that to the poor driver on Blue Peter. The screw reverse broke his wrist when he tried that, or so I've heard.
@wasatchrangerailway69218 жыл бұрын
good gravy!-----really?
@Kestnuts8 жыл бұрын
So the story goes, anyway. I wasn't there, being 8 years old and on the wrong side of the Atlantic at the time :P But from what I've read about the accident, the reversing screw spun out of control when the driver unlocked it to center the valve gear and broke his arm or wrist.
@wasatchrangerailway69218 жыл бұрын
that's what I hear.
@nigelterry92996 жыл бұрын
Wasatch Range Railway both arms IIRC. Open the drain taps and, if that does not work, apply the brakes to check the spin but risk bent rods.