Well - I may have discovered something unfortunate - this version might be Chardon and not Mitropoulos. I have found a duplicate reel with the same performance (even coughing in the same place). That one is dated Nov 6th, 1947. And says Chardon. During this time Mitropoulos was in NY conducting the NYPSO so it couldn't have been him. I do think that Feb of 1947 is too early for the archive - I have nothing else that early, not even close. Everything starts in the fall of 1947. Still, this was Mitropoulos' orchestra so certainly even with Chardon conducting the heavy imprint of his influence is present. There is a small chance that the Feb 2nd 1947 date (on the box: 2-2-47) might have meant 12-2-47 (December 2nd 1947) and Mitropoulos might have been back by then! It's a mystery that likely won't get solved as the young people's concerts weren't documented very well. Though! I do have a 1949 children's concert program that was in a reel box - that's pretty cool and definitely Mitropoulos.
@MarchantTapeArchiveКүн бұрын
Well - I may have discovered something unfortunate - this version might be Chardon and not Mitropoulos. I have found a duplicate reel with the same performance (even coughing in the same place). That one is dated Nov 6th, 1947. And says Chardon. During this time Mitropoulos was in NY conducting the NYPSO so it couldn't have been him. I do think that Feb of 1947 is too early for the archive - I have nothing else that early, not even close. Everything starts in the fall of 1947. Still, this was Mitropoulos' orchestra so certainly even with Chardon conducting the heavy imprint of his influence is present. There is a small chance that the Feb 2nd 1947 date (on the box: 2-2-47) might have meant 12-2-47 (December 2nd 1947) and Mitropoulos might have been back by then! It's a mystery that likely won't get solved as the young people's concerts weren't documented very well. Though! I do have a 1949 children's concert program that was in a reel box - that's pretty cool and definitely Mitropoulos.
@verdiguyКүн бұрын
Any chance to hear this terrific ensemble is wonderful, a scratchy fourth movement notwithstanding. Glad you came across the rest of it! Thanks as always for posting.
@marcovillarroel2490Күн бұрын
Que versión más emocionante,muchas gracias
@MarchantTapeArchive2 күн бұрын
Some nerdy technical thoughts: I've mentioned this on other videos but generally when you see a reel playing at 15 inches per second on my channel (IPS), it means it was recorded with a Brush Soundmirror - a very early magnetic audio tape recorder. In my experience those recordings are very quiet, and often a semitone sharp (fast). Because of it being very quiet you can see the VU meters barely move even with the scale switch on the Pioneer in the +6db mode. But if you look at the digital VU on my JBL to the left you can see the sound - that's because I have heavily boosted the signal as it's coming in to my recording software (Logic). Luckily these Brush recorders also didn't have a ton of noise - it's not absent of noise... it IS tape after all! - but it could be far worse.
@MarchantTapeArchive2 күн бұрын
I should also mention that despite many of my Brush 15 IPS recordings being too fast and having to be adjusted - this Schumann piece was on pitch.
@ApokryphКүн бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for the insight! Also great recording!
@1fattyfatman2 күн бұрын
Nice!
@verdiguy3 күн бұрын
Terrific performance and wonderful restoration work as always. You'd never know it was cobbled together from multiple reels. The Quartet existed in one form or another for about 50 years, recording with Columbia Records. They had their ups and downs, disagreements, members being shown the door, ill health and tragically, a suicide. Thankfully, many of their recordings are available on CD and thanks, to you, this little gem!
@marcovillarroel24903 күн бұрын
Digna versión para este Schumann inspirado
@MarchantTapeArchive3 күн бұрын
I found the rest of the performance! Posted here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaS6i6Vui6lljpo
@robertpincus65284 күн бұрын
Awesome! I was actually looking for Mitropoulos on KZbin, as he made my favorite studio recording. I found this and had a holy you-know-what moment. Thank you!!
@MarchantTapeArchive3 күн бұрын
Glad you found the channel! In case you didn't see I have a Mitropoulos playlist with a TON of stuff - most of which does not exist anywhere else: kzbin.info/aero/PLhut5IVLHxGauu4y5S_1OBRuZIDPvaVyb
@robertpincus65283 күн бұрын
I noticed!
@taniapetrova99776 күн бұрын
In the endless space of information Your site is unique!Lot of thanks 🙏
@MarchantTapeArchive6 күн бұрын
Thanks for listening!
@verdiguy6 күн бұрын
The Egmont and Coriolan Overtures are really underrated works. They manage to create an incredible atmosphere in just a few minutes. Hope they didn't tell the kiddies the story behind the overture, it's pretty grim... Thanks as always for bringing these performances back to life!
@marcovillarroel24906 күн бұрын
Poderosa y sorprendente versión,muchas gracias como siempre
@verdiguy6 күн бұрын
Rumbalero is completely new to me and I love it. Some excellent work by the trumpets and clarinet soloist throughout. I could easily picture this as a dance number in a 1940s movie. I've always enjoyed Leroy Anderson's mix of clever and cheeky touches in his music from the Syncopated Clock to my favourite of his works, the Typewriter. Listening to Promenade, I started to wonder what an alternate universe version of Pictures at an Exhibition composed by Anderson would have sounded like! Cheers and thanks for posting.
@alexrigas97886 күн бұрын
Really nice. Thank you!
@marcovillarroel24907 күн бұрын
Musica y orquesta de gran calidad,muchas gracias
@MarchantTapeArchive7 күн бұрын
If you look at the program (tiny.cc/lco6001) you can see Rumbalero is not on it. The announcer (who apparently is not Joseph Wagner but sounds a lot like Steve Allen but definitely is not!) says it is by special request. I had a hard time tracking down that sound and as far as I can tell it's the only recording of Rumbalero out there - certainly the only one on KZbin.
@MarchantTapeArchive7 күн бұрын
Found some 78rpm and shellac recordings of it on Discogs though!
@MarchantTapeArchive7 күн бұрын
I found a reel with the rehearsal of this performance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJnUc6VonM5riLc
@MarchantTapeArchive7 күн бұрын
Interesting - I've found a reel that is a rehearsal of part of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJnUc6VonM5riLc
@MarchantTapeArchive8 күн бұрын
Found some more detail about this piece after pulling up an unheard reel from the archive - a "Jazz at the Pops Night" at St. Paul Auditorium from 1948. Apparently Joseph Wagner was the conductor for the Pops night - and also according to an article I found - the conductor of the Duluth (Minnesota) Symphony. Here's the relevant text of the article: "Joseph Wagner, conductor of the Duluth Symphony orchestra now completing his final week as guest conductor of the St. Paul Pop concerts, gave one of his own composition: its world premiere in the St. Paul auditorium Friday night, It was his Fantasy in Technicolor for piano and symphony orchestra. Bernhard Weiser, New York pianist, was the guest artist and he dealt with the excitement and technical difficulties of the Fantasy with impressive ease. While the work was avowedly, and a shade satirically, in the popular vein there was a basis of sound musicianship in both the composition and the joint performance. Weiser also played Concerto in Jazz for Piano an Orchestra by the English jazz pianist Phillips, and this was brilliantly presented, too, but had to yield to the Wagner opus with the latter's American flair. It was jazz at the Pops night, so the program as a whole was light, with Gershwin Grofe and Morton Gould represented."
@brianwilliams94088 күн бұрын
Such a valuable document, since he only made one recording of a Beethoven symphony, the 6th. So it's especially nice to hear a rehearsal of one he never recorded.
@verdiguy8 күн бұрын
Thanks for dusting this off and tidying it up! Always fascinating to hear a conductor like Mitropoulos at work. Shame there was no audience present for either this rehearsal or the actual recording. For all their occasional faults, an audience does provide an additional ambience that lifts a performance from being completely studio bound. Looking forward to the next gem.
@MarchantTapeArchive8 күн бұрын
Yeah this was clearly a special setup for NBC. Maybe they wanted an exclusive performance of something or maybe didn’t want to license a MSO recording. I agree audience makes it better!
@MarchantTapeArchive9 күн бұрын
Can anyone hear what Mitropoulos is saying to the orchestra at the various points he speaks? I can't make it out but it's always great to hear his distinctive "quack" of a voice.
@taniapetrova997725 күн бұрын
Happy and successful New year🎀
@MarchantTapeArchive25 күн бұрын
Happy new year to you as well!
@kevinGabriel-v9qАй бұрын
My understanding is that, at some point, Milstein and Szell had a serious falling out and didn't get along at all subsequently
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Interesting! I wonder what it was over.
@1fattyfatmanАй бұрын
Great fun! I mainly know this from the Chasins paraphrase. Nice to hear it in full score.
@TwentythousandlpsАй бұрын
Menotti never published The Island God, and said "it's made up of very bad Italian music, with no saving graces." So this is the derniere performance of anything from it, perhaps.
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Well, I guess this was pretty early in his career - sometimes artists disown earlier material. No saving graces though? I like it!
@lucete7240Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading this treasure:) Md. Thorborg's speaking voice is amazing❤
@verdiguyАй бұрын
Really impressive repair work! I haven't heard anything from Schwanda in years so this is a real treat. I think I'd have to listen to this with headphones on to hear the ghostly voices. Ironically, we've just finishing the Alastair Sim version of A Christmas Carol and there are plenty of ghostly voices in that! I did pickup on the underlying music after the three minute mark but it didn't detract from the overall experience of getting to hear even a short excerpt from a pretty lively opera! Hearing Deems Taylor was nice as well. His own operas, The King's Henchman and Peter Ibbotsen were both performed at the Met over the years.
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Too bad I don't have recordings of those operas - but I'm sure they are out there if I look!
@verdiguyАй бұрын
@@MarchantTapeArchive Both were written for Canadian tenor Edward Johnson, who was later the General Manager of the Met and popular star baritone and film star Lawrence Tibbett. Florence Easton was the soprano lead in The King's Henchman and Spanish star soprano Lucrezia Bori was the female lead in Peter Ibbotson.
@derekjohnston5163Ай бұрын
Izotope is impressive software. Well done
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
It sure is! Difficult to learn though. Worth it to do these recordings right.
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
If anyone is curious to hear how bad it was before - here's an unlisted video with the original. 3:22 and onwards is particularly bad: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2WpkIWred2KgKc
@verdiguyАй бұрын
Wow! This is awesome and a nice look into the mid-modern era of American composition. Funny to hear Menotti referred to as the "young" Italian-American composer. For those familiar with his holiday classic Amahl and the Night Visitors, I can also recommend his operas The Consul and The Last Savage, which was first performed at the Opera-Comique in Paris and then had a star-studded production at the Met, with George London, Roberta Peters, Teresa Stratas and Nicolai Gedda in the cast. Thanks as always for resurrecting these wonderful performances.
@meisterwueАй бұрын
Excellent document❤
@brianwilliams9408Ай бұрын
This was previously released on Pristine Classical PASC 133. Andrew Rose was able to remaster it from the rebroadcast of the performance the next day on the 21st, from the original masters. The audio quality of that release is superior since he was able to use the original source material. It's from the same CD as the Schumann Symphony #2, which you have previously uploaded.
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Neat when someone can find the original masters - pretty rare for NY Philharmonic for this period as you know.
@1fattyfatmanАй бұрын
You may have to shop dialogue isolation plugins and invert waveforms of the isolated voices to cancel them out. Still tricky, because they are optimized for modern digital recs. Might not isolate well even if you find a better plugin.
@1fattyfatmanАй бұрын
Hadn’t noticed this worked later in the vid! Cheers!
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Yeah I think the main problem is both the music and the voices are blurred together because of a physical defect + time and storage techniques. No algorithm is that smart!
@verdiguyАй бұрын
What is the name of the program you're using? I have a 1965 Met Don Carlo which has an odd audio effect that I'd like to try to freshen up.
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
It’s in the description - Izotope RX11 Advanced - but beware the price is eye popping 😳
@verdiguyАй бұрын
@@MarchantTapeArchive Thanks! The Met broadcast has two of my favourites, Cesare Siepi and Ettore Bastianini but sounds like it was recorded underwater...
@vikashkhanna4053Ай бұрын
What a gem! Thanks for uncovering this. Great to listen to Howard K. Smith’s early broadcast work
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Glad you like it! Be sure to check out all my other vintage news programs - especially "Mid Century" which also features Howard K Smith: kzbin.info/aero/PLhut5IVLHxGa7yLlKw_4reFg8PFlvjE48
@dondrewecki1909Ай бұрын
Could you patch from the 1954 commercial recording on Sony Masterworks Heritage to cover the small gaps?
@MarchantTapeArchiveАй бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! Here are my thoughts. First - this is an archiving channel so I'm presenting things as I've found them, with an attempt to make the audio quality as clean as possible. Splicing in from another source would fall short of the goal of archiving this collection. Second - the 1954 recording is a totally different performance, even maybe with different orchestra members. I don't think that would be an ideal thing to do. Finally - one of the amazing things about this particular recording is that it does not exist anywhere else! How cool is that. This recording was lost to history until I was able to resurface it through this process. I think that is pretty neat and I want to keep it with that kind of intention. Thanks for listening!
@johnmichel3676Ай бұрын
Anyone interested in learning more about Krenek and Mitropoulos in the 1940s should do a Google search for a 1980 doctoral dissertation by the late Olive Jean Bailey entitled "The Influence of Ernst Krenek on the Musical Culture of the Twin Cities." It's posted online and you can even download it. For a few years back then Saint Paul and Minneapolis became one of this country's important centers for new music thanks to the presence of Krenek, Mitropoulos, and then Minneapolis Symphony concertmaster Louis Krasner in the community. Krenek taught at Hamline University in Saint Paul from 1942-1947, and during those years Mitropoulos programmed five of his works on MSO subscription concerts: I Wonder as I Wander (Symphonic Movement in the Form of Variations on a North Carolina Folksong) on 11 December 1942; Symphony No. 2 on 23 December 1943; Cantata for War Time (world premiere) on 24 March 1944; Tricks and Trifles on 22 March 1946; and his Piano Concerto No. 3 -- a work written for Mitropoulos as both conductor and soloist -- on 22 November 1946 (also a world premiere).