The one thing I would like to distinguish -- and I hope you'll forgive what appears to be a semantic quibble (but I consider this psychologically very useful) -- is the word, "trust". To "require trust" in something -- in what I consider the most psychologically useful way -- actually means we lack evidence to support it, and perhaps even an abundance of evidence to contradict it. There's a reason I want to draw this psychological distinction: I encounter young people these days with serious trust issues towards new people they meet with the idea that "trust is earned", and typically they have a painful and unlucky history of seeing their trust betrayed which led them to develop these trust issues towards strangers. This is a very counter-productive mindset in my experience of conflating "having earned trust" with "requiring unearned trust", since their suspicion tends to ward away all of their potential allies. Many militant atheist types seem to have been wounded in a similar way, and made a similar mistake in conflating two different types of "trust". In my estimate, "unearned trust is invested." Investment is never without risks. "Unearned trust requires courage." If we seek to eliminate all the risks, we'll tend to work our way towards refusing to invest. So I want to refute the idea that a former scientific hypothesis elevated to theory requires much in the way of "trust" or "courage", since we have so much evidence demonstrating that it makes accurate predictions repeatedly -- even if there could be an edge case we've yet to discover in which it doesn't. And in the same way, I think a devout theist can say they don't "require much trust" at all now in the existence of God, even though they "have a great deal of trust" in His existence. They invested deeply in the existence of God, and have already repeatedly received a return on investment. Mind you, the way you use "having trust" is perfectly valid and typically the most common way I see of approaching the concept of "trust". For example, I deeply "trust" in my wife in one way, but with the way I want to suggest we think about it, I don't "require much trust" now at all since we've been married and devoted now for 15 years. I've already received so much return on investment that I'm no longer risking much at all. I did risk a lot when we first met and therefore "required trust the most" back then, but now I require very little even though I have very much.
@cocoarecords7 сағат бұрын
Man i love your vids
@TeacherOfPhilosophy7 сағат бұрын
Thank you.
@nameless-yd6ko13 сағат бұрын
What is Knowledge? 'Knowledge'; that which is perceived (by Consciousness)! To Exist is to be perceived (by Consciousness); to be perceived means to Exist. Nothing exists that is not perceived, nothing is perceived that does not exist! Thus, Existence is ALL-inclusive! One! Reality is predicated upon Existence! Thus, Reality is ALL-inclusive! One! Truth, being predicated on Reality must, also, be ALL-inclusive! One! Knowledge IS Truth! Truth IS Knowledge! Is Mind... One! What 'problem'? ;)
@tomatopotato288114 сағат бұрын
I agree that foreknowledge doesn't cause free agents to make the decision they will make in the future, yet it implies to me that the future could not have unfolded any other way. I am looking at free will not in terms of the idea that I'm the only entity "causing" my decisions, but rather that my future decisions aren't "fated" to be what they will be. ---- Free From Fate, Not Free From External Causes That is to say, I am questioning a form of free will vs. foreknowledge where "free will" is defined as "free from fate", not "free from external forces." After all, something could be free from external forces and not free from fate (in a predetermined world), and likewise could be free from fate but not external forces (in an indeterministic world whose forces are still constraining our choices to no alternative options in any given moment). Using an engineering analogy, if we design a simulation and can perfectly anticipate the output of the simulation in advance without any risk of error, then the results of the simulation were predetermined. If we can't anticipate the output of the simulation in advance, we either have a gap in our foreknowledge or the results of the simulation were not predetermined (in which case it would be impossible to predict what it would output in advance, since its output would vary and produce endless alternatives each time we run it even if all initial parameters of the simulation remain identical). Given what I can consciously understand as an agent experiencing time in a linear fashion, am I creating new possible futures with my decision to type this comment in this moment as I'm consciously experiencing it presently, or was I always going to foreseeably type this comment? ---- God Expressing Regret? Also the Judeo-Christian God often appeared to behave as though He was unable to foresee the results in advance, as with the regret leading to the Biblical flood in Genesis. It seems odd at the very least for a being to express regret over perfectly foreseeable results, with perfect foreknowledge of what would happen in advance. ---- Omnipotent Without Foreknowledge is Not a Contradiction Are there any theistic views that sees God's omniscience as constrained in ways that can't foresee the future because we have free will? I don't see that as a limitation on such a being's power -- to be able to design a simulation whose results are spontaneously unfolding from moment to moment in ways that cannot be foreseen. This wouldn't be a contradiction like a God that designs a rock so heavy that he can't lift it. As a programmer, I can easily design a simulation where I am absent any limitations to lift any possible rock I create in the simulation and cause it to fly around, since I have absolute power over the simulation. I have no limitations as a programmer on what my simulation can do as long as I have absolute power over its programming and state. However, it's not a constraint on one's power to design a dynamic simulation whose results are not predetermined, whose agents are spontaneously shaping its outputs in ways that are truly indeterministic, and therefore unforeseeable. If I did that, I would have absolute power to intervene with the simulation, but it would be impossible for me to predict its results in advance -- by design! That's precisely what such a dynamic simulation would be: unforeseeable in its results by definition, since the results are being dynamically-generated as the simulation is running. Also at least using our human intuitions, that's precisely why we'd seek to design and run such a simulation in the first place: to discover its unforeseeable results.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy11 сағат бұрын
The view you describe has probably been promoted by _someone_ . Not sure by whom. Maybe it's not quite heresy, but it is non-traditional at least. "God's knowledge does not cause my choice" is a good start. Now do the next step: My choice of X causes God's knowledge that I choose X.
@tomatopotato288110 сағат бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy That part of your argument I understood in terms of causes from the videos I've seen so far after watching several of them. It aligns with my intuitions. Yet if what I'm doing in the present is not already fated by destiny, then the knowledge I would be causing in God would be created spontaneously as I'm making the decision, and not before I made it unless I'm missing something extremely difficult to comprehend.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy10 сағат бұрын
Try the simpler version of the lesson: The knowledge really is simultaneous because God is outside of time.
@tomatopotato28819 сағат бұрын
@ That part aligns as well with my intuitions that God exists beyond universal constraints. Appealing to my engineering intuitions, any simulation I program would leave me existing outside of its constraints, like the simulation's localized concept of time. I could even make events occur simultaneously in parallel meaning time is branching concept that isn't linear, make it circular, rewind, fast forward, etc. Where my brain is struggling is that I don't exist outside of time as far as I can tell. There is no perfect clone of me and the universe to my knowledge that made all the identical decisions I have yet to make, to make my decisions foreseeable before I made them. Returning to my programming intuitions, if my simulation is genuinely indeterministic, then I exist outside of its time and laws, and I can look at what the simulation can produce ahead of its current state in time, like T+K even though the simulation is currently at T. Yet I would get a completely different result sampling T+K even if I took multiple samples perfectly simultaneously. All those samples would have different results if it's indeterministic, which mean I could only, at best, express its possibilities in terms of probabilities, and not certainties.
@tomatopotato28819 сағат бұрын
@ Put another way, let's say for precisely one minute after I send this comment, I will turn my head left and right in a spontaneous, indeterministic pattern governed by my free will in ways where my determination from that moment leaves me constrained (for the sake of simplicity) to my head turning left or right, although one possible binary sequence might be LLR, another RLR, RRR, and so forth, and it's indeterministic and not fated in advance to be the same pattern every single time. If my decisions are truly indeterministic, then even God existing outside of our localized concept of time, when sampling exactly what decision I will be doing exactly 10 seconds from now -- in my localized and conscious perception of time -- will produce different samples even for God. One sample might have me in the process of turning my head left, another right, and so forth. So the best God could do provided I'm constrained to one of these two actions is express a probability of whether that sample at a constant state exactly 10 seconds from now will be left or right, but it can't be predicted to be exactly left or right since it'll be different for each sample. It's not because God doesn't exist outside of our conception of time, but because I exist within those constraints. I'm the generator of indeterministic results with my consciousness, and my consciousness is confined to carving a linear path through time (but an indeterministic one if my will is free of fate). It's my confinement to the universe's constraints of time, but combined with free will, that makes any foreknowledge of my actions only capable of being expressed probabilistically.
@tomatopotato288114 сағат бұрын
The theistic problem of free will was always the most challenging for me to wrestle with, although the gap I find difficult to close isn't between omnipotence and free will: an omnipotent being can create beings free to choose as they see fit. Rather, I struggle with what I perceive to be a gap between omniscience and free will. If omniscience means the ability to see the future, then it seems impossible to see it if we are free to shape it spontaneously with our decisions. If a being knows what I'm going to do before I do it, along with the entirety of my life decisions in advance, then I could not have possibly shaped my life any other way than it was capable of being preconceived in advance. Either my fate was already sealed in advance while I was destined to do everything I did so far and will do in the future, or else my decisions should not be foreseeable in advance even by a creator who gave me the ability to dynamically shape the future with every decision I'm making, including now. At least any other way is working beyond my ability to comprehend.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy14 сағат бұрын
I think . . . I think you may need one of my other videos in this series.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy14 сағат бұрын
Or maybe 4 of them!
@tomatopotato288115 сағат бұрын
TNG is my favorite TV series of all time! Even though I consider myself a fairly stubborn empirical type, you covered a certain type of functionally "necessary truth" which we must consider true even if it's not. That's one of the cases where my pragmatic side takes over. Aside from free will, I always used the example of the miserable nihilist for this type of pragmatically "necessary truth". The nihilist's claim paradoxically "can't be true even if it is", because anyone who believes there's no true value to be discovered in the world will render their lives counter-productively devoid of value. It's not actually a paradox in my opinion even though it appears that way, since the definition of "true" is being overloaded: the pragmatic vs. the analytical. It may be the case that some things are analytically false (or perhaps forever beyond our reach to know for sure), but still pragmatically true.
@tomatopotato288116 сағат бұрын
The question always seemed immediately nonsensical to me. The simple answer I see is, "No, a being of infinite power cannot design a rock he can't lift, because He can lift any possible rock. It is possible He can design a rock He won't lift, but not one He can't." That's not a limit on his power to "be unable to be unable to do" something. Is there something wrong with my logic in this case? I always saw the answer as so simply and obviously, "no, a being that has no constraints cannot be constrained."
@TeacherOfPhilosophy16 сағат бұрын
Sounds good to me!
@tomatopotato288116 сағат бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy I like the in-depth way you explain it as well! Yet rethinking my wording above a bit more carefully, I always thought we can dismiss things quickly with the mere observation, "No, a being that has no constraints does not have constraints." It's a tautology.
@tomatopotato288117 сағат бұрын
I always found Stoicism such a wise philosophy. It overlaps to a degree with Buddhist philosophy which is popular here in Japan, particularly with respect to the dichotomy of control. We also have a saying, "しょうがない" ("shouganai") which is a part of our everyday speech to remind each other of this dichotomy. Roughly translated, it means, "It can't be helped." For example, if we encounter someone complaining about the bad weather, we say, "shouganai". Many people outside of Japan often find this a dismissive and callous statement, but it's not meant to be. It's meant to remind us that we should not complain or get upset about that which we can't control. As with the Serenity Prayer: >> God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. -- Reinhold Niebuhr We constantly tell each other, "shouganai" to help cultivate this wisdom.
@tomatopotato288118 сағат бұрын
My brain can't seem to comprehend this style of thinking. It's only in cases when I'm making a snap decision instinctively, such as pushing someone off the road to protect them from a speeding car, that I don't think about possible consequences for the simple reason that I lack the time to do so. That said, I do find it impractical to judge the ethical weight of an action based on its actual consequences. For example, it would be impractical to consider drunk driving acceptable when the drunk driver arrives home safely, since no one could have foreseen that happening in advance. What we can foresee is that if many people drove drunk, it would pose a public safety hazard which would work towards societal collapse. However, if a drunk encounters someone severely injured in critical condition, and no one else is around to drive, then I would consider it ethical for even that drunk to drive the wounded person to the hospital, as the risk of his intoxication causing a traffic accident seems lesser than the near-guarantee of the critically wounded dying absent immediate aid. Ideally no one ever gets drunk in the first place, and then we don't have to consider such exceptions.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy18 сағат бұрын
You might be interested in a footnote Mill included in the second--not the third, not the first--edition of _Utilitarianism_ . It actually says that intentions, not motives, make the difference between a right and a wrong action--not what I'm hoping to get, but what I'm aiming to do. This shows how a utilitarianism can actually include intentions in its account of right and wrong. But ultimately based on results: Good intentions are good because they're the kind that generally lead to the right results.
@tomatopotato288118 сағат бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy That makes sense to me as a type of heuristic and generalized way of determining consequences. It's also why I fall back to ideas like benevolent intent if I have nothing else to go by in the moment, as it's the most generalized and simplest way to evaluate whether our actions are likely to be productive or counter-productive. In a recursive fashion, I also think intentions matter in terms of repeatability when we determine whether to encourage or discourage others. A person who was merely negligent but benevolent in intent needs only, at worst, discipline in exercising more caution in the future, as they're not likely to repeat the harm they caused otherwise. A malevolent person is likely to repeatedly produce counter-productive results, until we discipline away their tendencies towards malevolence.
@tomatopotato288122 сағат бұрын
How much contextualization does Kant find appropriate if I may ask? For example, if we contextualize men and women separately and say, "All men should do this, but no woman should do this," or vice versa, is that considered a contradiction to the categorical imperative? How about if we say, "All undercover agents should lie repeatedly to maintain their cover, but not ordinary people?" Or, "All adults who pass their driving test should be able to drive while sober, but no children should be able to drive?" Or, "All citizens should be provided this, but not non-citizens?" I'm a heuristic consequentialist, so I see questioning what everyone should do merely a form of aggregated, heuristic consequentialist evaluation, and a useful way to think consequentially. It's generally too difficult to ask what the foreseeable consequences (or expectancies within a probability field) are if only one person does something one time, but easier to tell by considering the consequences if everyone does something all the time (or if that one person repeats this behavior many times habitually). For example, it might be difficult to tell that smoking cigarettes is unethical if we only have one person in mind, given that there exist anomalies where smokers live past 100 years of age without developing the associated health problems or becoming so addicted that they turn into chain-smokers (Emma Morano, e.g.). Yet it's much easier to tell that smoking cigarettes is unethical (moving us towards our extinction) if we imagine the foreseeable consequences when everyone is a habitual chain-smoker. Yet I think practicality demands contextualization and not the most generalized form of universalization, and sometimes even arriving at moral rules that apply to only one individual and no one else (ex: what is specifically ethical vs. unethical for the prime minister of a particular nation), but always recursively questioning the functional benefits to a society as a whole even in the most heavily contextualized cases. The degree of contextualization vs. generalization I always found appropriate is with respect to the threshold in which we can clearly trace back predictable consequences to a society. For example, I must concede that it's probably quite harmless to a society if a person smokes cigarettes a few times in their life without addiction, but presently even medical professionals can't foresee who can do that without becoming addicted. So I generalize, as a form of risk-aversion given my limited predictive ability, and say, "No one should ever smoke cigarettes even once; it's too risky." If we accumulate more reliable data, we might be able to contextualize this a bit further to, "People who are prone to nicotine addiction should never smoke cigarettes even once," but I find that an impractical degree of contextualization at the moment since since we can't reliably tell -- without significant risk of errors -- who those people are. We shouldn't contextualize further than we can confidently predict the consequences/expectancies, especially in cases where errors resulting from over-contextualization are very costly.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy19 сағат бұрын
I think you will find some contextualization in the sequel book, _The Metaphysics of Morals_ . But even in the _Groundwork_ here, Version 1 of the Categorical Imperative needs to work with the justifications I use for my actions, and that means considering as much specificity as I'm already considering when I make my decisions.
@tomatopotato288118 сағат бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy I see and will have to check out the book, thank you! I find a lot of overlap with many popular ethical frameworks, but I tend to see it all as varying ways of heuristic thinking with respect to predictable consequences/expectancies given what can possibly be known against the unknown. For example, in the famous axe murderer scenario, lying to protect the victim is clearly ethical to me given what I can possibly foresee in this specific context. After all, if we fail to protect the people who depend on us to survive when their survival is at stake, our society will quickly begin to unravel an collapse. Even more ideal is if I possess the capability to succeed is to attack the axe murderer myself and stop him. Otherwise call for assistance from those more capable (ex: the police).
@tomatopotato2881Күн бұрын
I seem to be some form of heuristic consequentialist, but neither a utilitarian nor egoist from what I can tell. Are there any philosophers that share a similar view as mine? I'll try to lay out what appear to be my differences and will ask forgiveness for my long-windedness. While I root the desired consequence as survival, much of the heuristic mindset and distribution of responsibilities applies no matter what type of probable consequences we are pursuing. ---- Not a Hedonist Pleasure isn't good and pain isn't bad. On the contrary, pain is often very good (required for us to function) and many pleasures are very bad (counter-productive to our function). A person might subjectively wish their deteriorating knees didn't ache when they walked, but if they ceased to feel that pain, they will soon find the damage they're obliviously doing to their knees rendering them unable to walk and ultimately function as human beings. Also even higher pleasures can be malfunctional in excess. A person who pursues intellectual pleasures to the detriment of their health or the survival of their loved ones, for example, would not be well-adapted, and in serious excess might be as detrimental to their proper function as one who uses narcotics. ---- Not an Egoist A parent who neglects their child's needs is maladapted even if that's in their self-interest to do so. After all, if all parents neglected their children, our species would go extinct in a single generation as a foreseeable consequence. Also "self-interest" seems hopelessly subjective. ---- Not Impartial It is impractical to expect impartiality from any human being, in the same way it is impractical and malfunctional for a parent to trust complete strangers to equally participate in raising their children. Practicality demands we distribute our responsibilities in a proximal fashion, prioritizing family above community, community above nation, and nation above the entire species, our species above other species, the person directly in front of us over the person on the other side of the planet. Anything else seems hopelessly ambitious. We are not the Borg with a shared hive mind, but rather a species with severe epistemic gaps between each other and limited, unshared resources. Optimization demands prioritization, as the constraints of nature typically involves trade-offs rather than pure benefits. Those who try to optimize everything tend to optimize nothing at all, and so it's for these practical reasons that each individual must prioritize their own localized group above others. A parent who equally prioritizes all children in the world is bound to fail to optimally care for their own. This is not to suggest a rabid form of tribalism and in-group bias that results in prejudice and needless conflicts. After all, such needless conflicts are malfunctional with cascading risks even for the in-group. It is simply a matter of effective prioritization and proximal distribution of responsibilities given our human limitations. ---- Rule Partiality Rules are often a practical necessity to functionally navigate the world. But as with people, we should not be impartial to them and prioritize certain rules above others. Protecting those who depend on us should take functional priority to "don't lie" and "don't steal", for example. After all, it is almost certainly better-adapted that we deceive the axe murderer in the Kantian scenario and call the police, or even attack them in self-defense, than reveal the truthful whereabouts of their desired victim. ---- Intent, and Malevolence is Negligence Malevolence can be viewed as simply another form of negligence, typically gross negligence. Our emotional impulses are the most primitively-evolved, subconsciously-consequentialist way of navigating the world, and typically in ways where we aren't even consciously thinking about the possible consequences at all. As such, it is prone to produce highly malfunctional results especially in civilized societies. I don't draw the deontological distinction that a malfunction produced from benevolent negligence is "less unethical" than a malfunction produced from malevolence. After all, a malfunction resulting from a benevolent but negligent engineer of a nuclear power plant is not practically "more functional" than a child malevolently retaliating in vengeful anger. When a person is in a critical role where they cannot afford to be negligent, even the most benevolent intent or the most virtuous character isn't going to suffice. They must do their best to think consequentially and determine the foreseeable expectancies of their actions or else the results can be catastrophic. This doesn't mean we ignore intentions. It is practical to distinguish manslaughter from intentional homicide, yet not because the latter is "more unethical" than the other. It's because the functional approach to deter would-be criminals and reduce recidivism is also certainly different between the two. We should encourage each other to behave with benevolent intent as it's generally well-adapted for collective survival and discourage malevolence, yet benevolent intent alone does not suffice. ---- Expectancies, Not Actual Consequences Given that we're navigating so many epistemic uncertainties, any practical consequentialist framework deals with expectancies rather than results. A skilled Poker player does not assume they made a good decision calling all-in with Deuces against Aces, even if they luckily beat Aces after the draw and win the pot. ---- Habitual Well-adapted behavior often needs to be practiced, as maladapted habits need to be disciplined. Skilled Poker players discipline their emotional impulses, as a stream of bad luck can cause them to "tilt" and become very upset in ways that cloud their decisions. A well-adapted moral agent strives to do the same, as with the case of the Stoics and Buddhists and virtue ethicists. As habitual creatures, it is not merely about well-adapted singular actions, but developing well-adapted habits. ---- Aggregate Evaluation A drunk driver shouldn't assume they made an ethical/functional decision simply because they managed to arrive home safely. As another heuristic form of evaluation, we should factor in repeats of the situation (either habitually and from other people repeating the same behavior), and evaluate whether the behavior was well-adapted or maladapted in aggregate. If everyone habitually drove drunk, that would almost certainly be maladapted for our collective survival. ---- The Recursive Function of Evaluation The recursive function of making an ethical evaluation is to determine whether to encourage or discourage a particular decision and has consequences in its own right. A parent might correctly identify that their child is behaving in ways and intentions well-adapted to survival, but might reward and spoil them with a most unhealthy treat counter-productive to their health. A consequentialist evaluation should not merely stop at identifying what's most likely right or wrong, but also apply that consequentialist heuristic evaluation of how to best respond. ---- Epistemic Humility and Prioritizing the Foreseeable If a parent were to face the unfortunate scenario where both their child and an award-winning cancer researcher were drowning, they should prioritize rescuing their child first given our epistemic limitations. This is the most practically and foreseeably functional, even if it might seem hypothetically less functional. We cannot predict the long-term consequences of a cancer researcher drowning beyond hypotheticals. We can confidently predict that if all parents were to neglect their children in their greatest time of need using aggregate evaluation, our species would quickly go extinct.
@TeacherOfPhilosophyКүн бұрын
Well, . . . I don't know. Probably any number of points connect to different philosophers in one way or another, but I don't know if anyone has the whole. By the way, some of the subtleties you mention are already addressed in some of the major theories. E.g., Mill covers some pain being a net good or pleasure a net bad.
@tomatopotato2881Күн бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy I see! I do see a type of bridge with the heuristic consequentialist way that I consider most productive to a very broad-sighted utilitarian mindset focused on foreseeable expectancies rather than actual consequences. I can see a utilitarian argument that foregoing the excess of higher pleasures is compatible with more of it in the long run, e.g., and potentially for more people. The even bigger impracticality I find with all utilitarian frameworks I've encountered so far is the demand for impartiality. I find it demands too much of us given our limited and unshared resources (including but not limited to our epistemic limits). A parent should not be expected to prioritize all children in the world as equally as their own, and a leader of a nation should not prioritize all nations as equally as their own. An investor should not invest in everything or else they'll spread their investments too thin -- this sort of mindset.
@TeacherOfPhilosophyКүн бұрын
Mill does talk about how we do the most good for everyone when we take care of ourselves--usually. The same principle could probably apply to family, neighbors, country as preferred over strangers, faraway people, and the whole world. I don't know that Mill _says_ it, but I think you could justify that on a Millian utilitarianism.
@tomatopotato2881Күн бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy That makes great sense to me. I suppose if there's a utilitarian justification for this partiality on an individual level to optimize collectively at a broader level, I would find this highly agreeable. If the goal is to chop down a bunch of trees, for example, then it is likely the most productive in the impartial sense for everyone to partially pick an assigned tree to cut down rather than everyone to simultaneously try to cut down every tree. In this case there might be a central impartial authority to coordinate it so that might still apply a utilitarian style of reasoning at the level of leadership. Yet I see many completely decentralized things that appear to benefit most from no central governing body at all, like free markets, free speech, and the evolution of language.
@TeacherOfPhilosophyКүн бұрын
Mill would agree with the last part about free markets and free speech. Maybe he already did explicitly!
@tomatopotato2881Күн бұрын
That's always how I intuitively understood it and argued it as an engineer who roots ethics in survival and tends to view everything in terms of functionality and practicality. To derive an objective ought, like objectively true moral facts, don't we merely need to define a core function for human beings, as airplanes ought to fly and computers ought to compute? So I always attempted it this way: P1: What something "ought/should" do describes its function, as knives ought to cut and computers should compute. P2: The function of a social species is to cooperatively survive. P3: Human beings are a social species. C: Therefore, human beings ought to cooperatively survive. I often receive accusations of committing a naturalistic fallacy, but I am not merely observing that the function of human beings is to cooperatively survive or conflating what's good for the mere fact that it's a natural property. It is a functional requirement even for a human ethical system itself to function: P1: For an ethical system to function, its followers must persist. P2: Humans that follow an ethical system contradictory to survival cannot persist. C: A functional ethical system must be harmonious with the collective survival and reproduction of its followers. A group of philosophers who conclude that it's "bad" for human beings to breathe oxygen will perish within minutes of asphyxiation along with their malfunctional ethical system, for a most blatant example. Also it can demonstrate quickly why hedonistic ideals are objectively malfunctional. P1: Humans that can barely feel pain fail to recognize the damage being done to their bodies. P2: Humans that can barely recognize damage to their bodies are maladapted for survival. C: Humans ought to feel plenty of pain [i.e., pain is good and functional]. From this we should be able to derive many other moral facts based on the root function for human followers of an ethical system to survive, as required for the ethical system itself to function: P: A society that protects the basic rights of its citizens is better-adapted for collective survival than one that violates them. C: We ought to protect basic human rights. P1: Unjust societies lack societal stability and devolve into vengeance. P2: A vengeful and unstable society is counter-productive to its collective survival. C: We ought establish a just society. We can also ethically justify the need for undercover law enforcers despite their need to habitually lie in ways that might pose ethical conflicts for deontologists, virtue ethicists, and theists. P1: Undercover law enforcers are functionally necessary to stop organized criminals. P2: Organized criminals threaten our collective survival. C: We ought to have undercover law enforcers to stop organized criminals. In this case, even though undercover law enforcers must habitually lie to potentially even innocent people to protect their cover, they are behaving in perfectly ethical ways as they are helping preserve our society rather than moving it closer to extinction. Of course, I can observe that I should never lie unless it's almost certainly beneficial to the survival of my loved ones and community, since the limits of my foresight and associated risk-aversion involved require me to just observe the general patterns that lying is maladapted for survival. If everyone lied, it would completely distort our ability to navigate the world and ultimately survive. Yet the undercover agent can see a very clear and functional need to lie to protect the survival of his society. At the end of the day, we're objectively either moving towards our preservation (ethical, well-adapted) or extinction (unethical, maladapted). Determining which direction can be incredibly complicated, demands epistemic humility and risk-aversion in the face of the sea of uncertainties, and even contextual -- as with determining the optimal human diet for a given person (but that doesn't mean that excess sugar consumption is only malfunctional when it's misaligned with someone's preferences or cultural values). "Complicated" isn't the same as "subjective". "Subjective" implies a judgment towards something which has no functional requirement. Humans have a functional requirement, as with human societies and their systems of ethics. Malfunctional ethical systems are prone to premature extinction, as with a maladapted species, and as buildings constructed on faulty foundations are doomed to collapse. This is the way I see it as an engineer along with my attempt to propose a solution to solve the never-ending metaethical debates with a clear and objective moral standard, rooted in a functional prerequisite, and divorced from any supernatural beliefs and unfalsifiable metaphysics.
@TeacherOfPhilosophyКүн бұрын
Good. Complicated doesn't mean subjective--amen! Ever looked into Aristotle, or examined your assumptions about metaphysics, for a next step?
@tomatopotato2881Күн бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy I'm afraid I'm a complete layman to philosophy and still struggling with the metaphysics each time I try to read the writings of philosophers! It's a bit frustrating to me since I'm rather allergic to claims that are unfalsifiable as a stubborn empiricist and naturalist. Yet Aristotle as well as other ancient Greek philosophers always made a great deal of sense to me. Where I seem to differ from my shallow layman understanding of the subject is with respect to virtues and the Golden Mean. Since I'm focused on being well-adapted among a sea of moving targets, I'm less bold in my assumptions of what makes a most functional human being in a universalized way. "Adaptation" strongly implies "context-dependent". I can appreciate the wisdom of moderation that the Golden Mean promotes, but I consider the appropriate threshold for a given individual highly contextualized, and find it prudent to err against making bold judgments. Michelangelo, for example, seemed to be a most emotionally unstable man governed by vanity, obsession, envy, and self-loathing. Yet he made such wonderful contributions to society that withstood the test of time, including permanently distorting his back to paint the Sistine Chapel. I cannot say with any degree of confidence that Michelangelo would had lived a more meaningful life, and contributed more meaningfully to his society (or even aided more in its long-term survival), had he been more balanced according to the Golden Mean. I dare not venture such an assumption, and it's why I consider it crucial to err on the side of encouraging only that which is most clearly productive for the survival/preservation of a society as functional, and discouraging that which is most clearly counter-productive as malfunctional. Epistemic humility is a trait I value most deeply since our epistemic limitations practically demand it. Rawls's Veil of Ignorance is one example of this type of way of exercising this epistemic humility. Also since the name of the game is adaptation, being too bold in trying to demanding of others what they ought to do risks interfering with their ability to develop self-correcting habits of their own, even when we make no errors in our assumptions of what's most functionally productive for them.
@TeacherOfPhilosophyКүн бұрын
I don't recommend just looking at some idea in Aristotle. Without the _basic_ ideas, you'll misunderstand the other ideas. Start with the basics: _his_ account of human proper function. Now why this allergy to unfalsifiability, this stubborn empiricism, and this naturalism? That's a philosophical view you got there. How do you justify it? Of what objections to it are you aware?
@tomatopotato2881Күн бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy I will definitely have to study more in depth! On my stubborn empiricism and naturalism and allergy to the unfalsifiable, it seems the least likely to make errors to the best of my estimate, and especially the most costly forms of errors. For example, a detective who seeks supporting evidence to indict his very first suspect is very likely to make a grave error over the detective who starts with a range of plausible suspects, and narrows that range through a process of elimination by eliminating the implausible. We're still human and our epistemic limits make errors inevitable, but a process of falsification tends to yield fewer errors, and results in understanding of the world that's "less wrong". Also I'm a pragmatist who values knowledge primarily for its utility. Computers compute, airplanes fly, satellites orbit the earth, medicines cure diseases. When we root our understanding of the world in rigorous processes governed by empiricism and falsification, we can construct skyscrapers that withstand earthquakes. When we govern it in superstition that contradicts the understanding we've obtained through such a process, we struggle to construct even a cottage that doesn't collapse at the slightest gust of wind. It's all rooted in probability in my view. A fair coin toss that predicts whether it'll rain correctly 8 times in a row could merely be a coincidence, as that string of events will occur 1/256th of the time. If it does it 100 times in a row without a single error, then I'll start to think there's a likelihood that there's something special about this coin beyond our current understanding since that would only happen approximately once in 1.27 septillion times. At least one objection I've received that it's all rooted in "faith". Yet I would respond that it works well in making accurate predictions so far, and repeatedly. There's a difference I'd draw between governing our beliefs in "faith" vs. "investment". A wise investor doesn't have "faith" in their investments: they have research and predictive models, even though investing is never absent risk -- wise investors take calculated risks. A gambler has "faith", and gamblers tend to go bankrupt in the long run since luck tends to run out.
@TeacherOfPhilosophyКүн бұрын
Empiricism does involve some faith--a trust in certain truths. I call them "X-beliefs" because I haven't come across a good name for them, but the definition of them is what matters: _Things we have to believe if we're going to learn anything about the world from experience which are not themselves learned from experience_ . Hume discovered X-beliefs and launched a big conversation on them--Kant, William James, Thomas Reid, Alvin Plantinga. Hume talked about induction (the fact that we can learn about what we have _not_ experienced from what we _have_ ) and the uniformity of nature (the same laws of physics are always in place). Kant noticed that time and space are X-beliefs. Reid talks about the facts that I'm not in the Matrix and that my five senses connect me to the world, and the facts that the past happened and that my memories are a source of information about it. If we go with Karl Popper and say science never verifies but only falsifies using deductive reasoning we still need those six I mentioned from Kant and Reid, plus the fact that deductive reasoning works--at least seven things we know without learning them from experience. In and of itself, this doesn't prove anything interesting at all about metaphysics, religion, ethics, or anything else. But it does show that _not everything_ we know is a matter of empiricism.
@AllanSilva-tu5os3 күн бұрын
I have been studying the psychology of moral, and, based on the articles I've read and the classes of Psychology from my university, there are different groups with different moral standards. We internalize moral by learning the rules, and, as we grow up, we learn even more with the feelings and cognitive interpretation.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy3 күн бұрын
People have different theories on gravity too, and the causes of disease. That doesn't mean there are no universal truths in physics or biology. But it does mean we might have some interesting questions about which statements are the true ones and about how we know them!
@reubenwizard3 күн бұрын
Tip: please continue drinking tea/coffee during your videos it adds a nice touch
@jimgallagher80293 күн бұрын
Yes, I’m nerd enough. Thank you for this and your other Pluralistic Universe videos.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy3 күн бұрын
Awesome! Thanks.
@tonys5185 күн бұрын
Tip: please finish your tea/coffee before you start .
@TeacherOfPhilosophy5 күн бұрын
And be able to begin with a fresh cup?
@philosophyversuslogic6 күн бұрын
I wonder would Kant be happy to be translated into English? Perhaps he would be very angry.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy6 күн бұрын
Were his translators following the Categorical Imperative at the time?
@user-qv1kn6ht5d9 күн бұрын
Kant's CI brushes up on something frankly holy, though perhaps it doesn't quite reach it. I'm always reminded of two things: Matt 22:37-39 and Catch-22: - "From now on I'm thinking only of me." Major Danby replied indulgently with a superior smile: "But, Yossarian, suppose everyone felt that way." "Then," said Yossarian, "I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?
@worgle1239 күн бұрын
Anybody else here from the Angelicum Academy? 😆
@TeacherOfPhilosophy9 күн бұрын
Catholic homeschooling?
@worgle1239 күн бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy Yup!!
@TeacherOfPhilosophy9 күн бұрын
Jolly good.
@larrycarter37659 күн бұрын
Name one.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy9 күн бұрын
Any situation in which the faculties Plantinga didn't describe until years later are teleologically and reliably and properly producing true belief in the right sort of environment. In other words, this video is a snapshot of a decades-long, multi-thousand-page project, and you probably don't know what you are asking for. But if you're interested in _the topic_ , here's a direct URL to the playlist that introduces Plantinga's project: kzbin.info/aero/PL0gapVBX3Jr-kk3ybqwVFaauciLn5Anc3&si=31CLtNRx0VenHGrB. And if you want _evidence_ for the existence of God or something like that, then you're off-topic here. But maybe I can point you to some videos on my channel that are on that topic. Lemme know.
@trippy61839 күн бұрын
I’ve read it several times, & I cry every time. It’s nice to know that others do too.
@DaddyBooneDon13 күн бұрын
Driving my car! It's the bane of my existence! So many variables that I have no control over. And the slowpoke who holds back a huge line of traffic through a no passing zone! My blood is boiling by the time I get to work. That's one thing I could try to reorient in my thought life. I would be better off for it.
@rabbitcreative13 күн бұрын
philo-sophistry a blight on human-kind.
@James-wh7ty14 күн бұрын
Just finished the audiobook & it was interesting but couldn’t understand the speeches. Thanks for your short analysis, great synopsis so far. I’ll listen to your other examinations of the other speeches as well.
@davidtagauri203414 күн бұрын
I'm in a winter resort, it's freezing outside, it's almost midnight, I have neurology test on Monday, and I'm here watching this. Philosophy is awesome.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy14 күн бұрын
Amen.
@azamatduisenbekov900319 күн бұрын
how old are you, sir?
@TeacherOfPhilosophy19 күн бұрын
Unlike my wife, I don't pay attention to my age. But math says I'm in the low 40s.
@philosophyversuslogic20 күн бұрын
Not in anyone's control is: * the place of his birth * the data of his birth * his self at the beginning of his birth * nobody was born by oneself So, the question is - what to control at all? If we control something, that area is too narrow. Actually, personally for me it is not nothing, but I must admit also that too many things are out of control
@JanKelleher-c9q20 күн бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, thank you kindly. Jan 🙂
@DaddyBooneDon20 күн бұрын
Isn't this the opposite of the popular view? It seems like all the things we can't control are the things that people try the hardest to control.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy20 күн бұрын
Yep.
@slmille421 күн бұрын
In contrast to Jesus’ emphasis on love, compassion, and grace, Kant’s morality prioritizes rigid consistency and adherence to universal principles, often neglecting the flexibility needed for real-world moral dilemmas. By reducing morality to the cold, mechanical application of duty, Kant’s framework struggles to account for the emotional depth and relational aspects central to ethical life.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy21 күн бұрын
Not really, no. But it can look like that if all we do is study the surface of this one book of his.
@slmille421 күн бұрын
@ elaborate
@TeacherOfPhilosophy21 күн бұрын
It looks like Kant lacks flexibility, warmth, emotion, relationships. There are subtleties in this book, and then there are all the other Kant ethics writings, especially the sequel, _The Metaphysics of Morals_ . That means at least 8 other useful places to elaborate! So I can't be thorough. (I haven't even finished reading the sequel!) It's the sort of thing that needs dissertations and books written about it. (I know of one relevant piece of new writing, but it's too soon for me to give any details.) But here are a few pointers. First, the other writings will have a lot more. They will probably cover a lot about flexibility and relationships especially. Second, the Categorical Imperative is meant to test the principles by which we make decisions. That means that when I respond to particular circumstances the CI will consider my particular responses. That's some flexibility built into Kant's ethics, whether he even realizes it or not. Third, think of some warm, relationshipey action, like giving your mother flowers and smiling at her on Mother's Day. Try running that action through the CI and see if it doesn’t turn out fine. Fourth, even in this book there are hints of more to Kant's ethics. Like when he says we need "a judgment sherpened by experience," and when he says there is a good reason to love ourselves.
@slmille421 күн бұрын
@@TeacherOfPhilosophy Highlighting potential warmth and flexibility in Kant's ethics is very interesting, but I'm having a hard time seeing it. The Categorical Imperative is inherently cold and legalistic, prioritizing abstract universality over emotional and relational nuance. Its universalizability struggles to address particular circumstances, as moral dilemmas often require balancing conflicting principles, which the CI cannot accommodate. Relationships, like honoring a mother on Mother's Day, are too culturally and emotionally specific to fit into universal maxims without losing their richness. Finally, Kant’s notion of judgment is tied to rational faculties, not emotions like love, making it hard to see how his ethics can embody the warmth and compassion you suggest.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy20 күн бұрын
You got that answer from an AI, didn't you?
@ShewitAre22 күн бұрын
thank you
@user-qv1kn6ht5d22 күн бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with your analysis. Kant wasn't wrong per se, but he didn't understand sanctification. I'm reminded of Zosima from Dostoevsky: "Never be daunted by your own lack of courage in the attainment of love, nor be over-daunted even by your bad actions in this regard. I regret I can say nothing more cheerful to you, for in comparison to fanciful love, active love is a cruel and frightening thing."
@user-ew1ix1lx9p23 күн бұрын
Like the 👔
@llIIIIlllIIIllI23 күн бұрын
So now what about lobsters?
@iwilldi23 күн бұрын
Cosmetics has all the answer.
@cocoarecords23 күн бұрын
Amazimg thanks man
@colinmackenzie627724 күн бұрын
Ergo, our Justice System is toxic for the Souls of our Society 🫠
@AvailableNow24 күн бұрын
this philosophy destroyed my narcissism
@TeacherOfPhilosophy24 күн бұрын
Wonderful!
@user-qv1kn6ht5d24 күн бұрын
It's very interesting to me that ancient philosophers in a more brutal age tended to minimize the reality of suffering, while more modern and comfortable ones tend to magnify it.
@mejohn10125 күн бұрын
“Justice is good for the soul… not always so good for the body.” Socrates
@TeacherOfPhilosophy25 күн бұрын
However, "the good soul, by her own excellence, improves the body as far as this may be possible," says Socrates in the _Republic_ .
@marktapley757126 күн бұрын
Kant rejects any notion of situational ethics or personal viewpoint as to morality but holds that truth is definite and unwavering.
@marktapley757126 күн бұрын
Would be better to slow down when reading the text.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy26 күн бұрын
Criticism I can understand--I like it.
@LameoLameo27 күн бұрын
1:36 "Hitler's form of racism" Oy vey!
@doomstarks18228 күн бұрын
Hi, Ive been messing around learning this preface for a few days now and this is what ive come up with. First we have to start with some knowledge of Kant's Transcedental Aesthetic specifically phenomena and noumena. This is important because kant wont tell you what tf he talking about you have to figure it out some kind of way by reading him. Anyways in the preface the 2nd paragraph he sets up moral philosophy like this. All rational knowledge is material or formal. Material philosophy is two fold laws of nature and freedom. This is important disctinction and needs to be understood. Laws of nature is physics and think of a deterministic world without free will. That would be a complete naturistic world ruled by the laws of nature think of causality. A box moving on a ice block is subject to causality and everything in nature is also including humans. Our heart beats, we get hungry when we need food all biological processes. So thats the laws of nature so what is the laws of freedom? This is our free will. It is presupposed that we have free will here and arent living in a deterministic world. As such our free will and the choices we make do not exist in the laws of nature. They are independant and exist in the laws of freedom. The laws of freedom is where moral philosophy comes from. So for kant his whole epistimology exist in the phenomena and noumenal worlds. Freedom and morality exist in the noumenal world. We act out that morality in the phenomenal world. We act on impulses and our desires. Kants says that is us acting on behalf of the laws of nature. To act in accordance with morality and to be free we have to act on morality that is in our reason and outside of nature. This exist in the noumenal world and we can not know its nature. Now here's where it gets interesting. As human we also exist in both the phenomonal and noumenal world. We exist as we see ourselves and we exist in a thing in of itself outside of any of our understanding. This is where we get morality from. When we make a decision to act morally that decision originates in the noumenal realm but manifest itself in the phenomal world as an action. Think of Descartes and Princess Elisabeth and the mind body problem. Descartes cant answer how a thought that originates outside of ourself becomes the way we can move our body. And if he cant explain how then he must give way to the fact that thoughts are from our mind and exist in the natural world and we become determistic with no free will. Kant answers this by saying that our thoughts originate with reason and morality and freedom in the noumenal world and we act out our thoughts in the phenomal world. And then he beautifully dodges the why by using Hume's own concept that we can not know the full causality of any event. Therefore kant says knowing how an immaterial thought become a material action is beyond human understanding just like Hume says knowing the cause of any event is. This is why knowing how the transcendental aesthetic is key because Kant breaks down that its our senses that we percieve the noumenal world and our human mind creates suffering and desires and causes us to not be free and act according to nature and become less human. To be fully free we must act in accordance with the moral law free from any desire or selfishness. We must act bc its our duty not bc its a want.. I could go on and on but yeah that a brief synapses of the first 2 paragraphs of the Preface of the book. I dont suggest moving forward without understanding it tbh. Not just for the sake of the book but bc once you see what kant is doing its eye opening and powerful.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy28 күн бұрын
Good job! Sounds good to me. I'm not sure it's fair to say that he "beautifully dodges the why by using Hume's own concept that we can not know the full causality of any event." It's more than a dodge: It's a recognition that practical reason (the concern of ethics) and scientific reason both depend on foundational principles that can't be proven scientifically. It's good epistemology there. But maybe it's still fair to say it's a dodge! I think it's fine to say that we can prove them, or at least give good evidence for them. There's no relying on _some_ unproven foundational principles, like Thomas Reid explained. But there are interesting arguments from Descartes, Timothy McGrew, Laurence BonJour, and others that could, at least in principle, prove as much as we want of anything if we just allow the right two or three principles to stand as unproven foundations. We could use these to prove causality and some first principles of ethics. Kant could still be right that we don't _need_ to prove them, and right that the foundations of morality and religion are on a par with the foundations of science, but we could still actually know something about a world outside the mind (unlike Kant's view). This is all terribly subtle, and assuming I got it right in the first place it--well, it took me long enough. Turns out this is going to be maybe around 30% of my next book.
@TeacherOfPhilosophy28 күн бұрын
"This is important because kant wont tell you what t [heck] he [is] talking about[;] you have to figure it out some kind of way by reading him." Hilarious! I think maybe he does tell us; he just doesn't do it clearly.