Ya'll are funny, thanks for the info. one question, during the initial sleep deprivation, what effect would coffee have on the experience?

Awww. You were so young.

You guys are fun. You should do some more casual talks, maybe little bit planned about subtopics and time. It was amazing to watch.

it's great you say that about magic mushrooms! it's a very (mentally) healthy “mind altering substance” with great potential and people should “come out the closet more” about it

You guys seem high from sleep deprivation lol

Hey, what alarms do you use?

I’m excited to create my trine goals too now!

23:59 I care a lot about the scientific process and formal logic 00:00 Here is some clickbait news articles as evidence we might not need sleep really Wishful thinking towards the unknown is NOT skepticism.

My passage in here: -"Wow, a one hour video, that's fun" Some minutes later: -"Wow, a 3 page comment... Let's grab the popcorn"

oh man I miss you<3 I will take you hammock camping some day!

So you stay in the car when the others are sleeping and you're not? Is there no other things to do?

will you keep updating on the state of your schedule? that'd be very interesting

Alright let's get a conversation going! COUNTER TO POINT NUMBER 1: Sleep needs argument: - We are working on the EEG labeling project, where EEG evidence has been used to come to the conclusion that in order to adapt, you need as much REM and SWS as you get while monophasic. All adaptations that have been successfully completed while the user is consistently using an EEG has shown that they get the same duration of vital sleep as when they are monophasic, but that's not all. All adaptations where the user failed also showed that the user got too little REM and/or SWS compared to their monophasic needs. - The only sleep stage that people don't seem to notice being reduced is light sleep, reducing the vital sleep stages leads to feelings of sleep deprivation. This is also supported by the observation that both SWS and REM have rebound effects, where if you miss out on them your body will attempt to regain the lost duration. This doesn't happen with light sleep. - You can believe that all sleep stages aren't vital, but you need to actually show evidence for your claim and not just speculate. Science: - While it is true that science is fluid, you aren't allowed to just hand-dismiss data presented because there's a possibility that it may not be correct. You need to show that it isn't correct. Steve Pavlina: - His blog is very compelling, but it paints a false picture. Because of his written experience, literally thousands of people attempted the Uberman schedule. That's fine, but I don't think I know of a single person that gained motivation from his blog and succeeded with the schedule. Therefore he's painting an unrealistic picture of what to expect, which has consequently led a ton of people to abandon polyphasic sleeping. Diets comparison to sleep: - I like comparing diets to sleep, especially the ketogenic diet. In this comparison, light sleep can be compared to carbs, and a ketogenic adaptation allows the body to get all needed macros to survive even when a large chunk of it is removed compared to normal people. The burning of ketones instead of glucose can be compared to achieving REM sleep in naps. But this is in the end just a comparison and can not exactly equate polyphasic sleeping. Evidence for the vitality of vital sleep stages (note I will not go super in depth and just touch the surface): - SWS is the sleep stage where the glymphatic system works the fastest. By shortening this sleep stage, your brain is clearing out less plaque and you are consequently risking to develop Alzheimer's earlier. Your body also recovers cell damage slower. - REM pressure exists, therefore the body wishes to get enough of it. Vietnamese guy who doesn't apparently sleep: - Don't you think it's odd that Thái Ngọc hasn't been to a sleep lab where he's been monitored by scientists? We could learn a lot about how the human body works by monitoring if there are any differences to his physiology compared to other people. But for some odd reason he hasn't been scientifically evaluated. Ever. My alarm bells are ringing from this for sure, could he be a crook? - If you find a research article with him hit me up. COUNTER TO POINT NUMBER 2: - The point of this segment was to show the absurdness of people wanting to do the Uberman schedule when there are many more realistic options out there. COUNTER TO POINT NUMBER 3: - This is a difference in philosophies that we have. Thought 1 (insomnia development vs monophasic adaptation): - You can view this as a very similar thing, but the people were regardless suffering and unable to transition back to a strict schedule for a very long time. Thought 2 (experience): - It's nice of you to bash my "anecdotal evidence" and then counter by bringing up your own ;) COUNTER TO POINT NUMBER 4: - Steve Pavlina adapted with the help of his wife. - Video chats are a great way to stay awake but calling someone isn't going to help them during an SWS crash. SWS pressure can be absurdly intense to the point that one can fall asleep in an instant sitting in a chair and having nothing to do, which has been observed in several nap only attempts in the community. COUNTER TO POINT NUMBER 5: - Yes Uberman is very bombastic. The main point of this part is that the risk doesn't outweigh the results. PERSONAL POINTS: Polyphasic sleep being the norm: - I don't value polyphasic sleepers over monophasic sleepers. I want people to achieve a higher potential, but if someone doesn't want to sleep polyphasically, I won't look down on them.¨ - How do you even bring morality into this argument? - The goal with the whole world being polyphasic isn't that they should be exploited more but rather that they have more time to do what they want. I dislike the notion of people working for a large chunk of their lives when it can easily be decreased. Preventing failures: - Valid point regarding that there may be people who quit logging but haven't failed the schedule, but based on how people act they usually like to boast about their success and thus I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of people who stop reporting do so out of boredom and not because they've failed. - I think your approach to changing the personality of vocal quitters is petty. I find it extremely hard to see any success from your approach instead of letting people experience the adapted state on an easier schedule and then attempt a more extreme one with the experience that they know some polyphasic sleep schedules are possible and what their ceiling would be. - I have content talking about why people should accept failure and try again, so I share that view. - When people abandon Uberman for Everyman it means that they are starting out with a lot of pre-existing sleep deprivation, which increases their chance of getting stuck in a perpetual cycle of oversleeping and further works against them both succeeding and attempting polyphasic sleeping again. - DEC2 mutation (BHLHE41) is present in around 1.2% of the population so I did not pull that value out of my ass as you asserted. (academic.oup.com/sleep/article/37/8/1327/2416868) - The burden of proof is actually on both parties. You aren't allowed to speculate your way out of my claims, you have to actually back up your view. - Bold of you to assume that I'm against bodily autonomy. Presenting someone with facts and reasons why they shouldn't do something isn't the same as me not allowing it to happen. REQUESTS: - Respond - Check - Sources and data - Sources exist on polyphasic.net, but certain things cannot unfortunately be sourced with peer-reviewed studies due to the large unavailability of them. If you want to know of a specific source for a claim I can dig it out for you. - 5 values - Pass LAST STATEMENT: - Me disregarding the people that may exist outside my bubble is sort of granted. How am I supposed to know of them if they don't show themselves? THINGS TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION: So you’ve used your video to target my message quite thoroughly. Why don’t we switch it up so that I ask you questions instead? Why is neither one of you on Uberman at the moment? For preaching this nap-only schedule as heavily as you do, I’d expect both of you to actually pull through with the adaptation and not switch to easier schedules as you have. Excuse the tone, but I find it a bit hypocritical that you both talk about how Uberman should be advocated for more people and then fail after 2 weeks on the schedule, which just further supports my point. What’s your motivation for trying to resurrect the insane era of nap-only schedules? We’ve been there and done that, it didn’t work and it caused a lot of misery as well as hate and antagonism toward polyphasic sleep as a whole. It sounds like you wish to throw slime at a wall and hope that a fraction of it all sticks so that you can claim victory over the current meta. Are you really willing to make a lot of people fail and abandon the practice because Uberman looks sexy? Why do you feel like it’s reasonable to throw out all current scientific endeavours because parts of it are still unknown? The science of sleep is becoming more and more understood, and just because it’s partially unclear doesn’t mean that what’s known at the moment can just be discarded with a hand-wave. The standard of evidence you use seems especially vague because of this point. Do you have any scientific equipment that supports your hypotheses? In the community we have dozens of EEG units that help us come to more accurate and less anecdotal conclusions, and I’m wondering if you have any such standard to base your claims on or if you only make speculations. How do you define a successful adaptation? What criteria do you use to conclude that someone has successfully adapted to their schedule?

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"Robot" & "Forest Creature"😂 reaaaaally appreciate your experiences, humor, joy, balancing knowledge/science with the emotional depth. I love the being real and authentic with your process and bringing vulnerability. Thanks for sharing the adventures! And inviting me to participate with you. My friend called me my own lab rat.

my English not good so i hope u answer my question 😊😊😊✌🏻

u together do it ?

helloooo

hi wut is ur schedule ?