vang is too loose, having to use so much rudder to compensate is slow
@lioncross7Ай бұрын
Too many sheets! 😂❤
@CanadaOceanRacingАй бұрын
:)
@lemaquereaubleu2 ай бұрын
Wow! 13kt? you're 3 or 4 kt from the world record... how much wind?
@Gizmos_and_stuff2 ай бұрын
My friend hit 15 in his Byte today in Lake Superior, very briefly though
@CanadaOceanRacing2 ай бұрын
It was in about 22-24 knots of wind. Would be fun to have a spot with flat water and that kind of wind! :)
@CanadaOceanRacing2 ай бұрын
That's quick!!!
@Gizmos_and_stuff2 ай бұрын
@@CanadaOceanRacing thats so fun
@rudbeckia8852 ай бұрын
No storm boards hatch wide open....
@Maxime-ho9iv3 ай бұрын
What do you call a kite?
@CanadaOceanRacing3 ай бұрын
It's a bit of a slang term for the spinnaker. "Kite" and "Chute" are another terms that get used.
@DoubtCanEdit4 ай бұрын
Very reactive driving - gotta be on that bear away immediately
@CanadaOceanRacing4 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@kipjoneskipjones4 ай бұрын
that is a rude awakening! thanks for sharing
@sail2surf4 ай бұрын
I turned my phone 90 degrees at first thinking you couldn’t actually be in the position you actually were. You looked calm and focused.
@Juan-ly5mn4 ай бұрын
Wow. Scary. And very cool!
@johnlandrum46495 ай бұрын
The unspoken elephant in the room is its going to be fragile and often broken
@CanadaOceanRacing5 ай бұрын
I'll guess we'll see how it goes over the next few years. Fingers crossed that the build quality is high!
@fixento5 ай бұрын
That's a broach, with asymmetrical spinnaker, that's anticlimactic. Looks like a blooper we use to fly with the spinnaker. I've had to stand on the side of the Santana 30 cockpit seats. with the spreader in the water before she rounded up.
@maesailor5 ай бұрын
Great video, Thank you so much for taking the time to make this!
@JB-rt4mx5 ай бұрын
Play Mainsheet and Vang
@keithmoorechannel6 ай бұрын
Cape 31?
@CanadaOceanRacing6 ай бұрын
A quick boat for sure! That said, it takes a crew of around five or more and I was looking for a boat that can be sailed shorthanded.
@nicksundstrom73417 ай бұрын
you can see how much weather helm is on the rudder right before the broach - you were spot on, little quicker in easing the main would have helped. trying to head down with the main sheeted in just stalls the rudder quicker.
@sc65128 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the video, impressive 1st time helming and great idea to have some fun rotating jobs ,thank you. Tips learned the hard way. Always a faster boat if can anticipate rather than react. Most time of first 2mins 11 seconds concentration is directly ahead on the sails by both helm and crew e.g. (time stamp 25,34,secs 1:11,1:57,1:59,2:01,2:06 by crew , 28secs 1:11 and 1:14 by helm all for brief times approx 1 sec each glance each. Would suggest split the jobs , with crew concentrate on the kite and downwind sector ,helm up wind and downwind. As much time helm looking to windward as ahead. Helm calling in the gusts to crew , crew calling pressure on the spinnaker e.g. crew: "good pressure" helms soaks that i.e steers more downwind. Apparent wind increase not enough for monohull to harden up as in cat sailing in my opinion (sailed racing cats with asymmetrics as well as dingies ( both asymmetric and non)) unless you want to get into a gust earlier and stepping stone the gusts (as well as sufing the waves) downwind, would advise soak the pressure when you have it and stay in the windy bits for as long as you can , when you can. If 5 person boat don't think you have as much leverage to keep the boat flat either so that would dictate bear away. Impressive 1st time helm. As much as possible steer with the sails, any time helm wants to bear away ,ease main 1st rather than just tiller, playing the main all time time as you adjust tiller. If 5 man boat am guessing you usually have a main trimmer ..(see time stamp 1:09 ,hard tiller pull no main sheet adjustment) Any time tiller off centre, means increased drag, means slower boat means harder hit with a gust. Crew and helm weight together as much leverage , both hiking out or far away from centre line as much as possible , can also use this leverage to help bear the boat away. As gust hits, being called in by helm "gust in 5 , 4 3 ,2 ,1 ", ease main, fine trim with rudder, bear away and if boats continues to heel to leeward , ease kicker, then main then last resort, spinnaker. Crew is anticipating gust with the call out and ready to ease spi if necessary. Practice broach drill on a quiet day , going thru what jobs to be done (and who by) first and then practice, working up to windier weather. When the boat was broached need to completely dump kicker and allow boat to get flat and to reduced the main catching the wind as much as possible. @3:28 can see the main luff is still filling and kicker is still acting on the boom pinning the boat over and helping to heel the boat to leeward so no/little rudder control then. Hope this helps and thanks again for the footage and learned lots :)
@CanadaOceanRacing8 ай бұрын
That all really helps a lot. Really good idea to be clear crystal on the jobs versus just winging it! Thanks for all of the insights! :)
@sailorjohn38199 ай бұрын
Have you tried something similar in a boat with a wheel, attaching the lines to the lower half to keep the directions of pull in the same direction? Tillers are often nicer for racing, but the boat has what it has.
@CanadaOceanRacing8 ай бұрын
I have not tried it with a wheel but I can imagine it can be done. Let us know how you make out! :)
@tristankiddie17109 ай бұрын
I sail on the Farr x2 here in New Zealand. We just had B.P. down here to join us on board for Sail Week. Great boat, has some different characteristics to many others with the hull shape. But very fast when the groove is found. We matched much longer boats and we are still learning the boat. How have you found yours since you got it? I believe we have some different cut sails to you.
@CanadaOceanRacing9 ай бұрын
Mine is coming to me this spring and I'm really looking forward to getting out on it! Email me at [email protected] and we can keep in touch and compare notes.
@disfugginguyyo844010 ай бұрын
Thanks. Informative.
@carledinger342210 ай бұрын
Broching twice every time you have a chance to sail would get expensive fast.😉⛵⚓
@kopeducati11 ай бұрын
Did you consider driving it more aggressively up and down ... so you speed up and reduce Apparent Wind?
@CanadaOceanRacing11 ай бұрын
More steering would have definitely helped in this situation.
@rogerrolandbelanger4762 Жыл бұрын
I’m new to sailing and I’m trying to learn as much things as possible but I hope when this ever happens to me on mine I bought a 22 foot hunter 85 but I hope I can recover that quickly or else my wife will never get back in the boat again so I’m trying to learn as much as possible before I take her out in it
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Safe sailing, I hope you and your wife have fun! :)
@m.o.b.4190 Жыл бұрын
how does a 27 feet sailboat move at 16 knots speed while hull speed is around 5-6 knots ?
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
She gets up on a plane so is no longer in displacement mode and is no longer limited by the bow wave.
@m.o.b.4190 Жыл бұрын
Amazing design, never heard of it before@@CanadaOceanRacing
@m.o.b.4190 Жыл бұрын
how does a 27 feet sailboat move at 16 knots speed while hull speed is around 5-6 knots ?
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
She gets up on a plane so is no longer in displacement mode and is no longer limited by the bow wave.
@m.o.b.4190 Жыл бұрын
Amazing design, never heard of it before. @@CanadaOceanRacing
@colbr6733 Жыл бұрын
Great video and excellent commentary, some straightforward but very good advice here.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! :)
@manvbees Жыл бұрын
When you reach 12 kts and hyperdrive kicks in 😅
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Exactly! :)
@clutchy26 Жыл бұрын
@2:11 it looks like he lost rudder authority. Note the arm pop. Wild watching this video. Really enjoyed the commentary.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Good note on the arm pop! :)
@richardmclaren8549 Жыл бұрын
It would seem that the main reason for this broach was the helmsman coming un stuck. Man down, boat over. The tiller extension seems incredibly long. If it needs to be this long for upwind sailing then consider a telescopic one (see Ronstan catalogue) and shorten for down wind sailing. I sailed a 26 foot sports boat for many years and always pushed the limits. Main sheet right out, boom vang right off, mainsail flapping like a flag, keep the boat under the kite and steer for your life, come up in the lulls and keep speed on and bear away in the gusts and get the boat back under the kite. Keep practising. 🐟 😁
@janadam5661 Жыл бұрын
Its quite easy. Just give the Kite-Halyard 3m down and the boat will start do go downwind again. Its much faster i think.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
I have never heard of doing that before but I will give it a try and see how it goes. Thanks for the suggestion!
@andrewsumpton800 Жыл бұрын
Hello - did you get your X2 ?!
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Not yet. I have been focusing on my IMOCA sailing lately and let some of the earlier builds go to others. I should be getting mine this winter!
@tonyenglish8614 Жыл бұрын
Your technique is fine, but racing to Hawaii twice, Newport-Cabo and Newport-Ensenada a dozen times, there is a simpler recovery when short handed. We developed it because the driver would sometimes be on watch alone. As the boat rounds up, blow the vang, then the kite sheet, and finally the mainsheet. During all of this, bring the rudder all the way up and pin the tiller with your foot. This acts as a brake to slow the boat until you can slowly drive back down and get going again.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great way to save it! Thanks for sharing.
@williamgassman2310 Жыл бұрын
Do you think the speed/weight ratio hold up with only two onboard? I am concerned with the lighter boat with the full sail area it will be hard to keep the X2 flat going up wind. The 2 rudders help and ability to pump ballast up onto windward.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
The numbers show it should. The water ballast helps a fair bit.
@tristankiddie17109 ай бұрын
The water balast definitely makes a big difference. Also, lots of twist in the main. Traveller up sheet out.
@laslotiborc384 Жыл бұрын
Awesome job on the analysis. You actually sold me the boat based on the comparison I've made
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@felonebike9859 Жыл бұрын
How many degrees of heel will a broch typically occur? We are VERY novice sailors with a Kittiwake 23. My wife gets nervous anything over 15°.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Broaching or "rounding up" like in the video ususally occurs when going downwind at true wind angles of 130 degrees or more, and heeling much more than 15 degrees at those wind angles definitely decreases the effectiveness of your rudder (unless you have two), which can lead to a broach. Upwind is a different story and a lot of boats can heel 30 degrees or more without an issue.
@felonebike9859 Жыл бұрын
@Canada Ocean Racing thank you for your reply. I'll keep that in mind on out next sail. Stay safe out there.
@NoWheyHombre Жыл бұрын
So, did your Farr X2 come in?
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Should be arriving early spring!
@NoWheyHombre Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to deploy the camera aft? I think its valuable to a viewer to see whats ahead. Low obviously demonstrates the speed, but that can also be done with an overlay in post. I've always wanted a slight fish eye off the rear, to one side slightly, at about boom height.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Good suggestion, thanks!
@NoWheyHombre Жыл бұрын
I gotta get my hands on your spreadsheet. Would love to add to it because I'm too dumb to start the work.
Mate if I was in the market for a boat like that after watching this comparison it would be a case of "take my money" I'm amazed Farr haven't reached out and offered you a job selling their boats
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
If you do buy one, let me know and I’ll chase them down for a commission and split it with you! ;)
@jbalberts2869 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding analysis. Are your spreadsheets available for review? Brad Alberts San Diego
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Please email me at [email protected] and I'll forward the spreadsheets to you.
@J.Paul20232 жыл бұрын
That boom seems so low, is there no way to move it up so you dont get booted in the head if there's a sudden change of wind?
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
No there really isn't. That's the way the rig was designed. It's not as low as it looks. Low is good too, keeps the centre of effort low.
@Stevecollinsclear2 жыл бұрын
I use surgical tubing and a line from either the main sheet or the jib sheet ( long keel heavy steel cruiser ). The idea of using surgical on the upwind side and bungy on the downwind? So obvious = add this my "Why didn’t I think of that file". Much appreciated
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
My pleassure! Still working on figure out self steering on the IMOCA. I believe it's possible, just need to find the right setup! :)
@nicolaspopp2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Would you be willing to share the spreadsheet?
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
I’d be happy to. Please email me at [email protected] and I’ll reply with the files attached. Thanks.
@andrewtinbai80962 жыл бұрын
So, to get out of a bad broach, do you turn leeward or windward? Pardon me such elementary question, just trying to teach myself.
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, a broach happens when you round up to windward so to get back to your intended course you are trying to get the boat to turn down to leeward.
@arihuusela16632 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ari! :)
@Some.real.human.2 жыл бұрын
use the jib to help get the bow under the boat!
@SailingSarah2 жыл бұрын
You guys were booking! 🙆
@PeteEd792 жыл бұрын
Watching from Antrim Boat Club, Northern Ireland, few J80s and a Bull 7000 sailing here. Would probably take a lottery win to justify transporting an Antrim to Antrim!!!
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t be cheap but would be fun! I was there once, beautiful place!
@nathanbenton20512 жыл бұрын
i've an impule 21. that center console is very similar to it. awesome vid
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@svlonestar76452 жыл бұрын
Release the boom, turn down wind.👍
@wallace-bv4rlАй бұрын
Did you listen? If you did you didn’t understand. That was an excellent talk through and contained a lot more that your beginners guide