Recovering from a broach / wipeout

This video shows what I do to recover from a broach or a wipeout when sailing in an Antrim 27 sailboat. Feel free to watch on a higher speed if the commentary is too slow. Comments are welcome!.

[@nacdaddy5591]

Great vid. the overdubbed crisp audio commentary excellent. Addition to my sailing vocabulary “go shrimping” 🤣

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Thanks!

[@davidroeder5548]

Go shrimping killed me 😂 I’m going to take that

[@nicksundstrom7341]

you can see how much weather helm is on the rudder right before the broach - you were spot on, little quicker in easing the main would have helped. trying to head down with the main sheeted in just stalls the rudder quicker.

[@euro42]

First mistake not using the Vang ! Releasing the vang when the boat is sailing downwind in strong winds,. In this situation, releasing the vang will reduce the exposed sail area and depower the mainsail, avoiding the broach.

[@SkyWriterable]

I always sail with released wang. Hang out with your wang out, so to say…

[@bizim_eller]

Yes, the video is very informative👍 Lesson I learned: never ever push the boat to its limits🤣🤣

[@rj333333]

on the 70 footers we'd try and keep the kite sheeted in release the ,release the main ,straighten the helm to unstall the rudder,then all your power is at the front hopefully helping the boat bear away back on course

[@mfournier12]

This seems like race boat advice as the simple advice for the cruising sailor who wants a uneventful passage. Is don’t run with that much sail (for sure don’t use a spinnaker) in big winds. 😜

[@Robinlarsson83]

Kind of yeah, but why wouldnt you want to sail properly and fast just because you are cruising? ;) Faster is more fun, and kites are fun as well :) But I agree, good idea to change gears a bit earlier when cruising than racing perhaps :D

[@tonyenglish8614]

Your technique is fine, but racing to Hawaii twice, Newport-Cabo and Newport-Ensenada a dozen times, there is a simpler recovery when short handed. We developed it because the driver would sometimes be on watch alone. As the boat rounds up, blow the vang, then the kite sheet, and finally the mainsheet. During all of this, bring the rudder all the way up and pin the tiller with your foot. This acts as a brake to slow the boat until you can slowly drive back down and get going again.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Sounds like a great way to save it! Thanks for sharing.

[@simonwells2213]

It's been quite a few years and I was, am, a dinghy sailor for preference, 505 being my dream boat. The natural tenancy is for the boat to head up to wind when heeled and this allows you to flatten it off again, sort out your sheets, gather yourselves and then bear away. That can take a while or matter of seconds. Getting the gennaker sheet back over the end of the boom may well need you to be briefly head to wind in some boats with long booms and with only 2 crew on this boat and in this wind I wasn't quite sure what your point of sail was when the crew dealt with the sheet... Very impressedby the acceleration when you got going again and I'd love to see how she goes with say 4 crew. It looks like a big Squib 😂

[@BreakingBarriers2DIY]

Thanks for this...I've broached before now I realize...just didn't know what it means. lol. This was helpful thanks.

[@maesailor]

Great video, Thank you so much for taking the time to make this!

[@colbr6733]

Great video and excellent commentary, some straightforward but very good advice here.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Much appreciated! :)

[@gregHePilots]

Instant subscribe. What a great video and mainly what I’m looking for. Gotta be careful when you search “sailing” videos on KZbin these days

[@mythbuster701]

In fresh reaching conditions the first thing is to ease the vang in squalls to keep the bow out and the boat level .As the apparent wind goes forward stop the boat healing by bearing away and simultaneously easing both A Sail and main sheets. As soon as the squall is past come up for more apparent wind.

[@howardbentley1971]

Multiple things. Before the broach, boom vang in hand ready to release to prevent broach. Driver never played or dumped the main or called for vang release. When boat slowed in waves the apparent wind moved aft which at high angle set up the broach with main cleated in. Once broached main needed to be release and vang eased. Ideally prior but still need to take pressure off main which was rounding you up. Tiller was to leeward for a long time. Once abeam to wind sails flapping pulling tiller to weather only cavitates rudder. Push pull Sawing motion to reattach water flow on rudder before attempting bear away but with main on vang tight you were fighting the rudder to bear away.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I like your idea of the sawing motion, makes sense, will try that!

[@StevenOTooleongoogleplus]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Howard Bentley

[@scottw7267]

Awesome. thx. I've done bow on a A27, Now I get what the skipper was trying to do when we wipe out.

[@PeteEd79]

Watching from Antrim Boat Club, Northern Ireland, few J80s and a Bull 7000 sailing here. Would probably take a lottery win to justify transporting an Antrim to Antrim!!!

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

It wouldn’t be cheap but would be fun! I was there once, beautiful place!

[@carledinger3422]

Broching twice every time you have a chance to sail would get expensive fast.😉⛵⚓

[@disfugginguyyo8440]

Thanks. Informative.

[@cwgoforth]

What a great instructional video! Instant sub here.... cheers

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Thanks!

[@Invisty]

The other thing you can do to help bring the boat upright is get your weight as far outboard as possible. Even though there are only two of you, it will make a difference to increasing your righting moment and help bring the nose of the boat to windward (which further reduces the drag created by the sails).

[@janadam5661]

Its quite easy. Just give the Kite-Halyard 3m down and the boat will start do go downwind again. Its much faster i think.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I have never heard of doing that before but I will give it a try and see how it goes. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@scottjmcglinn]

Great video!

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Thanks!

[@pedroagoncalves]

Thanks for sharing! Good advice.

[@SailingSarah]

You guys were booking! 🙆

[@sc6512]

Really enjoyed the video, impressive 1st time helming and great idea to have some fun rotating jobs ,thank you. Tips learned the hard way. Always a faster boat if can anticipate rather than react. Most time of first 2mins 11 seconds concentration is directly ahead on the sails by both helm and crew e.g. (time stamp 25,34,secs 1:11,1:57,1:59,2:01,2:06 by crew , 28secs 1:11 and 1:14 by helm all for brief times approx 1 sec each glance each. Would suggest split the jobs , with crew concentrate on the kite and downwind sector ,helm up wind and downwind. As much time helm looking to windward as ahead. Helm calling in the gusts to crew , crew calling pressure on the spinnaker e.g. crew: "good pressure" helms soaks that i.e steers more downwind. Apparent wind increase not enough for monohull to harden up as in cat sailing in my opinion (sailed racing cats with asymmetrics as well as dingies ( both asymmetric and non)) unless you want to get into a gust earlier and stepping stone the gusts (as well as sufing the waves) downwind, would advise soak the pressure when you have it and stay in the windy bits for as long as you can , when you can. If 5 person boat don't think you have as much leverage to keep the boat flat either so that would dictate bear away. Impressive 1st time helm. As much as possible steer with the sails, any time helm wants to bear away ,ease main 1st rather than just tiller, playing the main all time time as you adjust tiller. If 5 man boat am guessing you usually have a main trimmer ..(see time stamp 1:09 ,hard tiller pull no main sheet adjustment) Any time tiller off centre, means increased drag, means slower boat means harder hit with a gust. Crew and helm weight together as much leverage , both hiking out or far away from centre line as much as possible , can also use this leverage to help bear the boat away. As gust hits, being called in by helm "gust in 5 , 4 3 ,2 ,1 ", ease main, fine trim with rudder, bear away and if boats continues to heel to leeward , ease kicker, then main then last resort, spinnaker. Crew is anticipating gust with the call out and ready to ease spi if necessary. Practice broach drill on a quiet day , going thru what jobs to be done (and who by) first and then practice, working up to windier weather. When the boat was broached need to completely dump kicker and allow boat to get flat and to reduced the main catching the wind as much as possible. @3:28 can see the main luff is still filling and kicker is still acting on the boom pinning the boat over and helping to heel the boat to leeward so no/little rudder control then. Hope this helps and thanks again for the footage and learned lots :)

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

That all really helps a lot. Really good idea to be clear crystal on the jobs versus just winging it! Thanks for all of the insights! :)

[@scuddrunner1]

We have a Antrim 27 in our club here in Tacoma but it's fast! No protection from the winter weather but nice in the summertime.

[@sailingcitrinesunset4065]

I have a spinnaker tackline running back to the cockpit and I also have a spinnaker tackline stripline running back to the cockpit so I can blow the tack in an emergency and pull the spinnaker in by the sheet into the companion way and slowly release the halyard so I don't get the spinnaker wet.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

The tack line stripline is a great idea. I'm planning to add one with a martin breaker.

[@kenwhitman1055]

Raced 78 30’ Pearson very heavy and forgiving

[@fixento]

That's a broach, with asymmetrical spinnaker, that's anticlimactic. Looks like a blooper we use to fly with the spinnaker. I've had to stand on the side of the Santana 30 cockpit seats. with the spreader in the water before she rounded up.

[@pcupach]

Good stuff

[@pcupach]

Check out SV Drifter-Land Locked Sailing videos

[@J.Paul2023]

That boom seems so low, is there no way to move it up so you dont get booted in the head if there's a sudden change of wind?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

No there really isn't. That's the way the rig was designed. It's not as low as it looks. Low is good too, keeps the centre of effort low.

[@lindamarceline]

nice:)

[@m.o.b.4190]

how does a 27 feet sailboat move at 16 knots speed while hull speed is around 5-6 knots ?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

She gets up on a plane so is no longer in displacement mode and is no longer limited by the bow wave.

[@m.o.b.4190]

Amazing design, never heard of it before@@CanadaOceanRacing

[@Maxime-ho9iv]

What do you call a kite?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

It's a bit of a slang term for the spinnaker. "Kite" and "Chute" are another terms that get used.

[@DoubtCanEdit]

Very reactive driving - gotta be on that bear away immediately

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Agreed!

[@andrewtinbai8096]

So, to get out of a bad broach, do you turn leeward or windward? Pardon me such elementary question, just trying to teach myself.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Hi Andrew, a broach happens when you round up to windward so to get back to your intended course you are trying to get the boat to turn down to leeward.

[@brianmacadam4793]

An important facet that I see is a reef already in. You weren't overpowered to begin with.

[@francoisminet949]

why is the vang so loose?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I loosen it when we're a bit overpowered to let the gust spill out.

[@zvonimir2096]

That's for reef

[@andrewbeattieRAB]

1) Broaches happen very very fast. 2) everybody in the sailing industry is somewhat relieved at your depiction of a broach. Showing a sailboat sideways with the crew waist deep in water while desperately trying to hang onto the rigging or ANYTHING may be a bit offputting. 😊 🌊 ⛵️

[@christopherstevenson9737]

I’m not familiar with a foresail called a “kite” And can’t see it in video (main blocking view). Different from a job? Also.. I was taught to either quickly release main or “head up” in gusts (to release pressure). You seem to be heading down/off wind in gusts!! Not Cr video!!

[@Invisty]

kite is just a general word that encompasses spinnakers and gennakers

[@jamesmacintyre3327]

Is she still for sale? Local guy asking.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I sold her to a guy in Santa Cruz in the fall.

[@andre1987eph]

I think I’ll just keep saving up for a motor yacht. I’d rather put up wit the noise

[@cjg6364]

When dancing on the ragged edge, it should be a natural inclination to have one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet - ready to dump at any moment. Clearly, that didn't happen. Not sure how "educational" this is. If you're looking for a demonstration of what "not to do", I guess this could be considered educational. Other than that, overpowering a sailboat is not rocket science. Anyone can do it to the point where they lose control and get thrown on their ass - if they're into that sort of thing.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I agree with you on the "mainsheet ready to dump". The video isn't intended to educate on how not to broach, rather, it's intended to show what I do to recover from a broach and to invite discussion on that topic.

[@MrHollyshitdude]

dropp the spinnaker down 1-2 meters for swift recovery

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I'll try that next time.

[@svlonestar7645]

Release the boom, turn down wind.👍

[@scomo532]

Another important aspect about preventing a round up when on a broad reach. Put as much weight as you can on the upwind quarter of the vessel to keep the rudder in the water

[@bphenry]

Have you considered unfurling the jib some to blanket the spin and balance the boat? I saw someone do this once and thought he was insane, but it seemed to work.

[@bogdandupont1754]

What you say is correct. In this situation I think that I would go down wind and try to hide the spi (kite in uk) behind the main sail. Then go nicely up wind keeping control on the sails and of the steering. Fair wind and gently waves to you all

[@richardmclaren8549]

It would seem that the main reason for this broach was the helmsman coming un stuck. Man down, boat over. The tiller extension seems incredibly long. If it needs to be this long for upwind sailing then consider a telescopic one (see Ronstan catalogue) and shorten for down wind sailing. I sailed a 26 foot sports boat for many years and always pushed the limits. Main sheet right out, boom vang right off, mainsail flapping like a flag, keep the boat under the kite and steer for your life, come up in the lulls and keep speed on and bear away in the gusts and get the boat back under the kite. Keep practising. 🐟 😁

[@rogerrolandbelanger4762]

I’m new to sailing and I’m trying to learn as much things as possible but I hope when this ever happens to me on mine I bought a 22 foot hunter 85 but I hope I can recover that quickly or else my wife will never get back in the boat again so I’m trying to learn as much as possible before I take her out in it

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Safe sailing, I hope you and your wife have fun! :)

[@clutchy26]

@2:11 it looks like he lost rudder authority. Note the arm pop. Wild watching this video. Really enjoyed the commentary.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Good note on the arm pop! :)

[@JB-rt4mx]

Play Mainsheet and Vang

[@Some.real.human.]

use the jib to help get the bow under the boat!

[@kopeducati]

Did you consider driving it more aggressively up and down ... so you speed up and reduce Apparent Wind?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

More steering would have definitely helped in this situation.

[@rudbeckia885]

No storm boards hatch wide open....

[@swishswushdusch9319]

I was really close to roast your friend for the frying pan grip on the tiller. but then I realized that the tiller extension was like 2m long and I assume that you have it that long is to be able to be more sufficient when sailing solo and shorthanded? Nice looking boat btw👍

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Ahaha! Yes, it's crazy long for exactly that reason. :)

[@felonebike9859]

How many degrees of heel will a broch typically occur? We are VERY novice sailors with a Kittiwake 23. My wife gets nervous anything over 15°.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Broaching or "rounding up" like in the video ususally occurs when going downwind at true wind angles of 130 degrees or more, and heeling much more than 15 degrees at those wind angles definitely decreases the effectiveness of your rudder (unless you have two), which can lead to a broach. Upwind is a different story and a lot of boats can heel 30 degrees or more without an issue.

[@felonebike9859]

@Canada Ocean Racing thank you for your reply. I'll keep that in mind on out next sail. Stay safe out there.

[@robertkowalski9906]

What I have learnt is an A sail wants to be a flag and the best way to achieve that lies in the tack line, easing the Halyard just projects the sail out further away from the main whereas you want to use the main to blanket it. On my boat I have a long Dyneema tack line the end that attaches to the blocks has an eye splice on the block I have a shackle. When the boat goes over I sheet hard on the A sail blow the tack line turn hard down. The sail's bottom should have enough slack to twist off to leeward dumping all the wind and the boat stands up then trim the tack line back in. If its a real big wind and all hope is lost I blow the shackle the sail turns into a flag I pull in the sheet until I get a hand on the clew and douse sit down crack open a cold one light a cigar and pat myself on the back...

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

That sounds like a great set up and good way to handle it Robert. Thanks for sharing!

[@rasoul786]

😂

[@nathanbenton2051]

i've an impule 21. that center console is very similar to it. awesome vid

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Thanks! :)

[@andrewbarton8525]

The only comment id make on what is a fab video is that the generalisation of monohull and cat pre broach reactions are just that. A generalization. From personal experience so not an authority at all :) . A beamy monohull like an international 420 on the small side of beamy to an I14 or 80's Aussie 12ft skiff (cherub), turn up and luff a little. Do that with an international Fireball and its swim time....again. Cats ( international tornado to a heavy french polyprop newcat F1, bear away and do not let out the main...in fact haul it in to transfer pressure after or the nose will submarine and you fo a great superman Impression). Lightweight yacht? We have a 22' Gibsea peco plus. It broaches without a shute because it can...lol. It has a wide beam semi plaining hull and like the fireball, turning away like a cat a sniff and not sheeting out sorts it. The last one is my 1970's Edel iv. 7.4 metres, 1.5 tonne narrow stern traditional round bilge displacement yacht. Has a huge kite, 1.5 Genoa and the same sized mainsail as my 14' 78kg Fireball. She turns up when overpowered and you would have to be superman with a titanium tiller to stop her. I think its a combination of rig power front to back and hull form. So every boat is different? And I've been no use to you all at all...sail safe and have fun.

[@allanfifield8256]

Huh?!? (Not a wind sailor here)

[@andrewbarton8525]

@@allanfifield8256 Hi, when getting overpowered with the wind coming from somewhere off your rear three quarters and heading for a broach ( or a capsize in a dinghy, or a pitchpole nose dive in a catamaran), some boats recover if you let some mainsail out and point to windwards ( luff) and some recover if you keep the sail where it is and bear away downwind more. You only know which is which the first time it happens by getting wet..lol.

[@peterebel7899]

Beratung away with the main not let out? With a powerful main the boat will never bear away after the rudder had stalled and you are slow. You use the main as a giant wind vane with just a little angle to the wind (to avoid enormous forces) and turn the boat slowly away from the wind to get back speed in a controlled matter while not changing angle of attack of the main to the wind. Without doing so you will never make a biest like a Dragonfly trimaran fly after a wipe out or a tack with a fullstop due to whatever. A boat like this with wind in the main and dahherbord and rudder stalled makes 2 knots sideway and zero knots forward. If you want for hours. Taking care about the main in the wind is priority 1. Priority 2 is turning the boat under this main into a direction favorable to give you boat speed. Then you can take care about your other sails, best in the wind shadow of the main. This paradigm of thinking even works with all those big "slow" Charter yachts.

[@michaeljorgensen790]

I also like to slip off the seat and swing the tiller wildly back and forth in order to "recover" from a broach. Very educational. Thank you.

[@cjg6364]

LOL - sailing...anybody can do it badly - just like making trainwreck KZbin videos....

[@bogdandupont1754]

But you gotta go out there and learn from your mistakes. It's part of learning. Great video btw 😀

[@boxe3607]

Looks like a fun boat! Need weight further back. Sit side by side towards rear. Work the main (let out) as turning downwind. I'm very envious!

[@ruedihuber8798]

exactly! try to get power in the jib first and the main pulling as little as possible when turning down. Otherwise: well done!

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Thanks!

[@peterebel7899]

@@CanadaOceanRacing After whiteout with fast boats you have to ease the main really far out. Slowly turning down the wind will increase your boat speed and you get back control. Going down the wind you might use the main's wind shadow to put in your genacker.

[@everlastingrhetoric8921]

Subscribed 🏁

[@opulentElephant11]

Why have a spinnaker up when you have a main reefed tho.? Like wouldn’t you have better helm with a jib or Genoa? Forgive me, I’m Still new to sailing.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I find the spinnaker pulls the boat forward with less of a twisting force then the mainsail, so when I’m overpowered, reefing the mainsail makes steering more stable. It’s also reefed primarily for the upwind leg back home.

[@zvonimir2096]

Because they know nothing about sailing

[@kenwhitman1055]

So is this the same as weather helm?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

I guess technically it is weather helm. A very extreme version of it versus what you might find sailing upwind.

[@scomo532]

One important issue that is needed to prevent a knockdown is that the helmsman should keep his fucking feet under him and not be knocked ass over tea kettle when a gust hits the boat. Has this schmuck been more into steering the boat and less into his stupid narrative, the boat would have survived the knockdown. At least his crew was competent and blew the kite sheet when he saw his helmsman lying on his ass in the cockpit.

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

It was his first time helming the boat and I should have made sure he was ready to dump the main if needed. And all of the other things your and other comments suggest. :)

[@scomo532]

@@CanadaOceanRacing Live and learn, eh? I’m still livin’ and learnin’ and relearnin’ - that’s sailing

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

@@scomo532 that's the beauty of it! :)

[@tetedepoulet8651]

So is the flogging kite causing the heel?

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Yes it sure is.

[@korpolentais87]

Noobs

[@arihuusela1663]

👍👍👍

[@CanadaOceanRacing]

Thanks Ari! :)