Sein is a good leverage for the other characters to bounce of, especially for the young group members he is a "normal socialized" person grown up in a village and not secluded, so his example is a contrast to what Frieren as the supposed adult could provide. You asked yourself why Stark had 3 months of etiquette training and Fern was just thrown into the loop a month before. Well, she only had to be a companion as a dance partner and Stark had to be convincing in representative function e.g. he needed much more knowledge to "play" a noble and seem convincing to be a son of a noble, while Fern essentially just had to look pretty and shouldn't stumble around. It was shared that the dance scene was hand drawn and animated only on reference video, so not rotoscoped or 3D animated and then overlaid with drawing. You can make the argument that is therefore not 100%, but given the way it is animated it is impressive. Yes the magic system with the side nomenclature of curses and the different pathway of Goddess's magic has with the episode expanded and also gave the world more build up. It may be not to the like of some people, but it has some interesting points in the setup.
@Airwave2k215 күн бұрын
Well for the intro: Get better soon. With that out of the way, as you framed your inner question one could certainly give you hints how to power scale, but that would contain spoilers. And not just spoilers but spoiler spoilers so to say. So naaaaaaaaaa. Just go with what you see and adjust. For the main part: There were things that got you hooked and that was nice to see. For the outro: 1: It didn't come of as ramble. And no Frieren has things it will tell you by sticking it in your face and other things that are subtle, some things are told to come up later or even later later and others just didn't get a follow up. And it is okay because it leaves things open. 2: When you gone over the "don't know how they feel unless you tell them" thing I think you take the advice as a thing that always would govern a persons cause of action. There are plenty of times sombody can give great advice, but for his personal life struggles to the very idea he can voice so clearly. Sein is a representation of that. He has the experience and "wisdom", but even he who can give advice that the group certainly benefits, because Frieren is trash in that regard and the kids are just that KIDS, he struggles to do so in his interactions and that was meant to be depicted by brother and his quarrel. And this line has not only a mirror in the previous EP13 with the brothers, but also in that before EP12 where Frieren tells Stark that warriors are akward and Eisen couldn't address what he was thinking at the time when he punched him which lead to Stark "again running". Many words for relationships are complicated and Frieren does explore aspects of it. 3: As I am aware nobody tried to interprete to much in the scene Frieren pulled back her hair on the rooftop. A handfull out of dozens have noticed how much effort was put into the animation, but nobody could pull out a good analogy or symbolism. And sometimes you just don't have to. Frieren is a show that at random moments just shows off, like with the Jacket animation and others. If anything it is there to just be enjoyed as somebody put his passion into a small detail. 4: I wholeheartedly agree that the rooftop slide down Frieren makes with the SFX is such a joy of comedy. However I watched many reactions where reactors did not react to it at all. So it shows that the taste as far as humor goes is nothing universal. 5: I think it is funny that you commented at the opening of the second half about the clock tower and his symbolism of time, but when it stared 10 minutes later right back at you as divider between Frieren and Himmel in the kneeling scene is a "I'm waiting for it, but it never is said out loud moment" watching the analysis part. Well it is no disappointment, since many don't ever comment on the clock tower to begin with and on every larger reaction channel an audience is there that jumps under this episode to comment how time stands between the love of them. But yeah perhaps you did not say so because you had in your mind you already said this "obvious" thing 10 minutes before. 6: 40 years of flying magic - yes the small lore dumps are nice to have. Things get recontextualized. Consistency or not aside, the way it is done is in this part of the anime well handled. The biggest lore dump was EP10, and that was woven into a breaking of conventional structuring to a climax. Frieren is good with this.
@RiverReactsWatchalong15 күн бұрын
I think a lot of what you're getting at in point 2 were things that I kind of talked about 🤔 But some of your phrasing does leave me a little confused, so there may be a bit of a communication issue preventing further exploration of this topic 😅 For point 4, like you say humor isn't universal, but that's something I can't stand sometimes when watching other reactions is seeing a good joke just completely ignored or going over someone's head 😂 Point 5... it's two things: one is that during that scene I was paying more attention just to the quality of the visuals rather than looking for like symbolism or for visual storytelling or whatever, and two is that upon noticing the clock face I actually got a little taken out of the scene and in my own head trying to figure out what all I misunderstood because I had thought that the scene at the beginning of the episode was trying to indicate that the clock was new and it used to _just_ be a ringing bell, haha In any event, as usual thanks for the detailed comment ^.^
@RiverReactsWatchalong21 күн бұрын
In retrospect, I DEFINITELY had more I could have said after this episode 😆 Give me an excuse to blab more by engaging with me in the comments I suppose!
@fredto6782Ай бұрын
First commentary
@RiverReactsWatchalongАй бұрын
Ain't no way I talk this video about how we've met everybody from the OP except that creepy smirking creature with pointy ears, only to realize during editing that Sein and his brother and his adventurer friend *also* appear briefly and we obviously didn't meet them until just now 😂 And yes, I am fully aware that this thumbnail is incredibly simplistic, deal with it 😜
@Airwave2k2Ай бұрын
These are the heartwarming episodes that explore and develop characters. This time with the theme of regret. It certainly has more light-felt moments after the past two episodes and the Aura Arc was a show of that Frieren also can do shonen. To the point that the reaction of Fern and Stark seem out of place, but they are not so much given their background. Both had no peers around when growing up. So to speak they are as pure as it gets. Eisen isn't the talkative dude to begin with and certainly not concerned about bringing up that topic. An elf that has not much interest in reproduction and a priest on the other side of things are not much of guidance when it comes to such topics either.
@RiverReactsWatchalongАй бұрын
I didn't really dig too deep into the demonstrated meaning of the episode title with Frieren's initial stance on Sein, but I think you're probably right about the role that regret plays. I don't think she would necessarily be "averse" to someone else acting like it's "too late" to do something if she didn't harbor some level of regret or shame over having done similar in the past.
@blueberrypitbull87Ай бұрын
I really do love Valentino though..
@RiverReactsWatchalongАй бұрын
In what way? 🤨
@Airwave2k2Ай бұрын
It's been a while. Anyhow. The only comment the episode needs is: A corrupt priest, A cowardly warrior, A disgraceful mage, A fake hero. These are the members of the party that defeated the demon king.
@RiverReactsWatchalongАй бұрын
True! Such a neat way of thinking about that party!
@maratreus2 ай бұрын
I think that to understand Geto, you can't think rationally, as someone who read these arc while struggling with profound meaninglessness i can say that finding anything who gives a true meaning is insanely hopeful, hence his obsession with things having a "point", even back when Gojo wanted to kill everyone and later he went as far as to say that he would be ok if gojo killing him because it had a point. Also, since the manga just ended, like last week, jujutsu videos might be worth a try.
@RiverReactsWatchalongАй бұрын
I wasn't aware that the JJK manga ended recently. Hopefully some more people end up finding these videos as a result! I'd love to continue the series, it's just not really worth it atm unfortunately 😔
@maratreus2 ай бұрын
You said that they should've send Geto and not Gojo to fight Toji, but it was absolutely the right call. They saw how fast Toji and correctly assumed Geto would be able to keep him at a safe distance and that Geto had no chance in close combat. Also, none of them considered that he would be able to damage Gojo. As far as they knew Gojo was completely invulnerable in close combat and could easily do significant damage at a distance and in a big area making it difficult to attack (Even seconds before the attck on him, he thinks all that was just a distraction, even then he was sure he was not the target because he was invulnerable). Before the Inverted Spear of Heaven Gojo was his complete counter and later it is stated that the ability for a cursed tool to nullify cursed techniques is not only rare but that the Inverted Spear of Heaven is the only cursed tool able to do that. In a scene not shown, even awakened Gojo was scared enough of that weapon to make sure to destroy it.
@maratreus2 ай бұрын
This reactions deserve more. Since i was recommended this out of nowhere and will watch all jujutsu reactions, maybe they will get what they deserve.
@1q2e3e4r5t2 ай бұрын
I think you should put at least the sub on the screen, it actually requires some work to play the series and match with your vid. If you try it, you'll get what I'm saying.
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
Nope, one of the primary reasons for starting this channel and doing it this way was to make it 100% impossible for there to be any copyright issues. And it's actually pretty easy to sync the two things. Even if someone is bad at it they should only ever be like a few seconds off at most unless they have buffering issues.
@弐山2 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong I am not agreeing with the “just show the subtitles” proposal, but I think you are concerned that some sites that reactors use to watch the anime will caption the anime before it starts, thereby causing a gap with the timer. For example, in the case of Netflix, some reactors start the timer from the captioning, even though it takes about 10 seconds for the actual animation to start. It would be good to include an explanation of this. (I am writing in English through translation, so apologies if there are any inadequacies)
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
The original reaction video I made for this on my other channel was titled "The tragedy of Suguru Getou..." 🥲🥲🥲 And now that this video is posted that is all of the old JJK videos reuploaded here. I said before that if these videos did well I would continue watching season 2, however, they honestly didn't do great. So as with Oshi no Ko and MHA S7, this reaction series is now on hold due to poor performance. If you want to see it continued then be sure to watch the first few videos in the series and also leave a Like and Comment on them 🙂
@memsesosmo50842 ай бұрын
I agree, the message of taking care of yourself is one of my facourites in Dungeon Meshi! 😊 Re: inner thoughts, I think we do hear all of the main party have their thoughts. Laios and Marcille you know, we also heard Chilchuck in the mimic episode. Senshi finally got his turn last time when he was thinking about feeding the younglings. Never thought about it, but it's notable that everyone else we hear verbalises their more introspective thoughts to us. This includes Namari asking who is making BBQ or the corpse retrievers explaining their plan in detail. I think some side characters will also be thinking in future episodes. I am glad you got into Kabru, he is such a polarising character. At the start we dismiss him as a joke, yet when his ability of dealing with humans shines through, people either tend to love or hate it. I don't think I would deal well with someone manipulative in real life but as a character I find him very interesting. I was wary of him for a while because he clearly has good intentions, but the road to hell is famously paved with them. I'm excited for the next episode, regardless of your foreknowledge I think Dungeon Meshi will still be able to surprise you on the way. There are some very impactful stories coming up for your perusal.
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
To be fair, I still think his party is a bit of a joke 😆 I'm a bit surprised to hear that some people hate Kabru once they learn more about him, I'd be curious if those same people also don't care for the darker aspects of the series and just wanted it to be silly goofy cooking the whole time 🤔 And I think I noted previously in episode 14 (and maybe also a bit here) that while I definitely see where he's coming from and don't question the morality of his motives, he's definitely meant to be a bit extreme in some of his views and his resulting actions may not always yield the results he wants. Absolutely can't wait to see more of his role in the story! Glad you've been enjoying the videos ^.^
@memsesosmo50842 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong It's fine to see him like that. As one fandom joke goes: Kabuki is a PvP player dropped into PvE. He is struggling a lot! I think Kui does so great in making everyone feel rational and fully showing their motivations and point of view. In actual life I don't know if we would get along, but Kabru is motivated by greater good and trying to do right. I don't want to say too much since you will get more information in this season and next. ^^ Ultimately he isn't part of the main cast, but it's still interesting we get an insight. As a flip we get shown Tansu's world view and priorities when they go above ground in episode 10 and he is also someone who relies on soft power. After all, he has significant influence on the Island Lord and his decisions. Tansu is another character we don't really see favorably but he gets more understandable in his actions over the story, haha.
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
I kind of wish that I had directly connected my comments about the need to take care of yourself (being a big theme of the story that is explicitly addressed this episode) to modern topics such as burnout, hustle culture, and "the grindset mindset". What I said would have still been largely the same, but tying the discussion to concepts that people are maybe more immediately familiar with may have bolstered the points a bit further 🧐 Also! While some people may have been a bit disappointed to hear that I already knew about Falin's new form, *let me assure you,* next episode hits me like a fucking _truck!_ 👀
@지선우-u9n2 ай бұрын
Lilith is a real mythological figure from Jewish folklore and later believed to be the first woman created for adam but refused to obey to him and married fallen angel which in Hazbin interpreted as lucifer.
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
Ah so she's primarily relevant to Judaism. Makes sense then why she'd be less known given the dominance of Christianity in religious discourse.
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
This video is several months old and had to be downloaded from my Patreon using a third-party tool before it could be uploaded here. So if the quality looks off, that's why. Also because it is from several months ago there are some logistical statements that I make in the video that have since changed. Try to ignore those bits and just focus on the reaction and post-episode thoughts 🙂
@Logan0012 ай бұрын
Good observations once again. Really looking forward to seeing your reactions to the upcoming episodes!
@maimunahen82172 ай бұрын
Luka modric????
@RiverReactsWatchalong2 ай бұрын
Lol, actually not the first time I've heard that comparison 😆
@chuckeroo7773 ай бұрын
Funny that you go on a rant about the limits of resurrection magic, since this episode cut a scene where Namari and the twins go to lunch, and Namari pretty clearly lays out the limits of resurrection magic.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
Curses! The pitfalls of experiencing media through adaptations over source material 😆
@Logan0013 ай бұрын
Always good to hear ideas for what you think will happen in the series. I'm looking forward to seeing what you think about the upcoming episodes.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
I'm definitely wondering what the exact direction is going to be and how they end up executing on it 🧐
@Airwave2k23 ай бұрын
I agree that the show is good in having moments of comedy, drama, suspense & tension and so on well going into each other. Since the setting is the dungeon and we don't leave the environment it feels connected. The first episodes were all of exploring nature and we got familiar with the dungeon at a certain level. Now it is more we have the basics done and can now care about important stuff, which shows the character development the last episodes brought about.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
Something that I am curious about is to what extent we're going to return to the previous comedic nature of the show or if we've experienced an overall tone shift to where the humor is going to become more secondary, as opposed to how it was often the primary focus in earlier episodes. How they're going to choose to balance things going forward, I guess 🤔
@rb85993 ай бұрын
Note that in-anime @7:39 we get from the demons pursuing Flamme a declaration of state-sponsored (from what central authority as may exist among demons) genocide against elves. We have not been given any policy or emo information about that history nor the possibility of a mirror policy regards demons among the elves. However, that declaration serves as the antagonistic motivation at the level of individual combatants. YT@13:21 your question why did Frieren not just blast away? Open combat would involve a large number of unpredictable dynamics and risks. Chance could always go against the hero. However, we see that invoking Ausrelese commits both parties to a highly constrained course with only one major risk and that subject to at least some advance assessment. Frieren's tactic here is to maneuver Aura in to committing. "We know where this is headed" he said watching a field of headless puppets. Note in-anime @21:32 how the Aura VA introduces nervous uncertainty in Aura's voice. Preimo acting and sound direction. YT@44:28 your question regards Lugner -- recall his specialty magic is blood magic. Recall from EP 8 how Lugner tells Linie if she had been struck she would have been killed. Recall in Ep 9, having nailed Fern, we see Lugner monologuing with body parts re-constructed from blood. We can plausibly invent that blood magic is how he survived where other demons would not from similar damage. Given your reaction analysis style, you might like a puzzle. First, define lore-in-passing as a lore drop of a sentence or two during some other main action or dialog. A lore-in-passing may be delivered spoken or shown. A counter-example is Frieren's long lore-dump monologue in Ep 3 @16:31 about Zoltrack lasting until @19:06. There are three puzzle pieces all delivered as lore-in-passing. The first is delivered during the Ep 3 Qual interaction, the second at Ep 8 @22:08 and again at Ep 9 @1:30. The third will be delivered in a future Ep within the first cour and will contradict the first two, leading to an incongruity, also known as a continuity goof. The lore topic is a magical capability that is key to many plot beats and is also used for theatrical effect. The puzzle is what is this magical capability and when in the series timeline did Frieren/humans acquire it given the contradictory lore-drops?
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
I suppose I can see how "tricking" Aura into using her own ability could be, in a sense, seen as the safest course of action 🤔 LOL, I very much did not intend for that to be ironic or a pun or anything but that is actually funny now that you mention it 😆 Oh yeah, the rising anxiety in Aura's character is noticeable both visually and auditorily Did I not explicitly mention the possibility that Lugner's durability could be a result of his blood magic? I may not have, but I did consider it. Whoops 😅 While I appreciate the puzzle, I hope you don't mind if I largely ignore it. I'm _very_ anti-spoiler, and looking over that point it seems like the kind of thing that if I dwell on it might lead me to some ideas/conclusions that I don't think I should be fully considering yet. Overall though, thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video ^.^
@Airwave2k23 ай бұрын
Gamer moment. ... ED kicks in "And you allright" Aura? Simple put. Yes this is peak. 29:29 10, 20, 30 minutes. Well 1:41h says it is over an hour. Oh boy. That after discussion makes some interesting points. Is it to much in length. I don't know. I think if it is called for to make it in such a way you can do that. I think if anything you could have left out completely your justification why you did it now this way. This rather is the boring part I would like to skip over. After all as audience I want to hear thoughts on the show itself. A thing that get commented on in episode10 on in other reactions is - the time montage when Frieren has her hermit life is 50 seconds. Afterwards there is a quick succession of 4 frames which are 0.5 seconds - proportion 1/100 just like her adventure was 1/100 of her life. I think it is a neat detail so I leave it too. After all you don't have that much commenters and so I will bring up what is usually mentioned at other reactions. Regarding your comment on the animation. I don't think over all this episode dropped in quality. Sure some things are rather unpolished. However they are "animated", where in other anime you would get stills. And it just stays consistent in the detailing for backgrounds it does not feel off. I rather would say it is impressive that some walking on a sideway with the sideway so well painted is absurd. The combat in ep9 is outstanding, so yes taking this as the measurement I can see it is not reaching this height. But for being non action heavy epsiode over all it has something animated/moving/changing keeping you engaged. The episode itself is structurally completely broken in the way storytelling builds up to climax generally. Just it works. With giving more and more hints to being blunt what will happen in the fight, so there should be no climax out of reveal, this establishes a far more satisfying climax one out of anticipation. It does not suffer a drop of suspense, since you learn so much about Frieren. Aura going in such a short amount of time through the stages of grief makes her such a quirky but also interesting foe; especially with the backdrop of knowledge about demons we were given. In my book one of my favorite episodes, because it makes things different, but it works. A risk taken by the author and I think it was well done. Seeing it animated enhanced the manga material, but structurally it is 1:1. Flamme mommy is such a treat of a character. She is pivotal for Frierens development. She gave her the mission "to kill the demon king" and with that Frieren subordinate pretty much everything to achieve that goal - so much so that living in seclusion incorporated into Frierens characteristics. As you say Flamme appears to be very thoughtful and for that her actions and words have weight. While you are correct the earrings are different in detail view, in "headcanon" Frieren wears the earrings as heirloom. When Flamme commented that she is "painfully aware of being a powerful mage" my interpretation is, that she can not stop suffering in the whole world despite being powerful. Yes she can save and help people, but it does not change suffering everywhere at every time. So even the most powerful are "powerless". It also plays back into episode 2 for me when Fern commented Frieren is so powerful, and that she should use the power to help so many, but instead Frieren doing Frieren things the Frieren way. Well for teenage Fern this comes of as unsatisfying. Flammes goal (demons toke everything from me / me too) is clear. Aid humanity to stand against demons. Flamme made tours through the world. Her little house (later overgrown by the "big tree") was in the Voll basin, but the barrier the Granat town is under is her doing from back in the day. And these places are apart. Also remember that Flamme toured up to Ende and was in Aureole (seemingly before taking Frieren on as apprentice) otherwise she would not have written this down in her memoirs Frieren discover in ep4. I will not comment on other speculations you do as for example the power thing. So I stop myself in commenting further and let you enjoy coming episodes.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
Eh, I like to explain _why_ I do things. I know that most content creators (not just specifically reactors) don't really do that, they make their videos or do their streams and what you see is what you get, but I like hearing the occasional insight and reasoning for decisions myself and so like to provide my own transparency. I've also found that people often like to make assumptions about me and my behavior and words, which contributes to making a habit of trying to express myself clearly even in situations where it might not be fully necessary 😅 That is an interesting detail. I think that Frieren (the character) has maybe put too much emphasis on the quantitative length of her life over the qualitative nature of certain experiences. That is to say, even if the Hero's party only travelled together for what was 1/100th of Frieren's life, the memories of that time likely stand out more than some of the centuries that we now know Frieren spent isolated and ostensibly not doing much other than training and surviving. I expect this topic will be explored a bit more later. An interesting detail/visual choice nonetheless. Your view of Flamme isn't exactly the same as what I was saying, but they are definitely similar, and your perspective actually reminds me of a point that I've talked about in other series (I think only on reactions for my original channel so far though). There's this old show I watched when I was younger called MASH. To keep this brief, it's basically about doctors during war. In one episode after they lose a patient and they're talking in their tent afterwards, one of them says, "I think I'm having an identity crisis: I know I'm Dr. Pierce, but I want to be God". I see that mentality in characters from time to time. Characters who want to save everyone but tragically recognize that for one reason or another they simply can't. I didn't fully see Flamme in that way after this episode, but it seems to fit with how you see her 🙂
@Airwave2k23 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong Regarding Flamme I think the "god complex" you refer to with the doctor is not what I was about. I mean yeah we learn more about characters Frieren had relations too, so it is not much at this point to give away we will see a bit more of Flamme. Anyway what I said was to get you of the track she would not have cared. She is no legendary mage for no reason, she is referred to as the founder of humanities magic back in a previous episode. It seems to hard to comment further without spoiling. I just remmebered that you are now deep enough into the episodes, so you could watch the video of youtuber Kelsey Eng who mad a video "Color Design in Anime: Frieren's Eyes".
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
I did remember this video recommendation! I think I'm just unsure if I want to watch now or after I finish the series, even though I know you said there were no direct spoilers in it post-episode 10 🤔
@Airwave2k23 ай бұрын
I didn't got warm with the show up until half a dozen episodes in. Even after that it had not delivered crisp episodes that were really engaging and that would enthrall me. It gets to a turning point around now. Not because of the action, but the tonal shift. The dungeon before was nicely stuffed with monsters that fit in and the group dynamic found together. What irked me was the revive premise, which takes meaning to losses away and made all situations that otherwise would be highly dangerous lukewarm. So the dungeon never felt threatening and it was more a goofing around show with cooking gimmick so far. Here I first found that some seriousness was going on that was not the lightheartedness of the show so far.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
I'm definitely curious to see to what extent the series might be overall noticeably different post-red dragon. It's also not something I thought to mention during the video, but kind of building on what you said being able to change tone so sharply that it feels in a sense like a genre shift (without losing your audience in the process) is some *super* impressive storytelling imo.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
Oh I almost forgot! This video I ended up having some points that I wanted to make after I finished recording, but rather than doing a second recording I just typed them up and made them part of the Patreon post. Here's that extra stuff: There were a number of things that I realized I wanted to talk about while editing, so much so that I considered recording an extra discussion section, haha. However, doing so would have probably delayed the upload another day or so and in my mind I'm already late with this. So instead, here's a quick write-up of some of the dropped points in no particular order! -Regarding the different ways animation styles/changes in character models were used to emphasize the mood of the scene: other examples include how deliberate and cautious Utahime's movements are while exploring the building as well as the chibi-esque appearance of Getou and Gojou when they appear after the building is destroyed indicating how relaxed they are while approaching the whole situation -I don't think I even touched on Getou's little speech at the beginning of the episode. It paints quite the picture of a developing/increasingly pessimistic worldview and the very direct way he relates this perception to his power makes me wonder if his power itself is twisting who he is as a person 🤔 -Possibly an even greater oversight: I really didn't talk much at all about the OP and ED! There are a ton of great visuals in both, but rather than speak to any kind of symbolism with Gojou/Getou mirroring each other and/or separating from each other there's something that is arguably a bit more subtle that I want to touch on. I think these sequences express a lot of design choices with Getou's character that show us how contemplative he is. You can read on his face in a lot of shots that he's not really present or living in the moment, and that there's something more weighing on him and even isolating him from others. -A bit further to that end, I wonder if Getou's seeming isolation is coming from a growing personal sense of abandonment. I think it's possible that part of his ruminations are about how the things he cares about and thinks about don't seem to be important to other people. Something I did comment on in the discussion was how when he tries to have a deeper conversation with Gojou in the gym he's immediately shut down, and thinking about it from this slightly different perspective I can see how his aggressive response may have come from a place of feeling hurt, almost like "do you not care about me enough to have this conversation?" There seems to be a sort of disconnect between what Getou wants or expects from his personal relationships, and what others around him are actually providing. This way of thinking of things could probably be deemed a stretch, but I still find it fun to consider ^.^
@Logan0013 ай бұрын
The way I like to think about this anime up to this point is that we've had all the ingredients laid out and prepared, and now we're ready to cook. Your examination of Namari and her party side was interesting. I hadn't thought about that she may visit the revival office/church often, and what that might mean. Anyways, looking forward to seeing your thoughts on the upcoming episodes!
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
I'm sure Senshi would appreciate your analogy 😉 Definitely looking forward to what comes next!
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
This reaction series is on hold due to poor performance. If you want to see it continued then be sure to watch the first few videos in the series and also leave a Like and Comment on them 🙂
@Airwave2k23 ай бұрын
Yes Frieren is not just wandering around collecting spells and have some chill moments. Frieren also can shonen, more so then some in their prime when they try the hardest. And yes Ferns catwalk was ****. But still smoothest animations of random things just never stop flexing. My most liked flex comes rather late in the season. You are a bit to reductionistic in your memory, when it comes to elves reproduction. You equated what Frieren said to be asexual, when it was: ""across the board, we lack romantic feelings and reproductive instincts."" I think you have taken lack of as a complete missing, while I rather see it used as a phrase that is also used when there is not enough of something. As example in a context of farming fields, there is a lack of rain as bringing across that it is very dry at the moment, but it doesn't mean all water is gone, just there is not sufficient enough for ideal growth. So it is not not there but very dimed down compared to beings with short life cycles. If elves would have the reproductive instinct of rabbits as an extreme and have extended lives that would be a hard strain on the ecosystem. What was said is very in tune with a evolutionary-psychological expectation. As for demons come to your own conclusion, within what is given to a certain point. Bait and switch. Episode title is a nice misleading. You think you get Aura, yes you do. But not in a way you think you do. And there is attention given more in a tangent. A thing that is a good example of why you can skip the outro preview of the next episode, all predictions made on these snippets most times just fall flat. Still many reactors try to read into it.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
Shortly after I finished recording I actually wondered if maybe I spent so long talking about more abstract concepts from the show post-episode (as opposed to immediately tangible things from the specific episode) that it might have in a sense overshadowed the reaction and how much I did like the actual episode, haha. The fact that you're commenting on the animation, which is something I noted a few times both during combat and in more settled scenes, tells me that I was probably worried over nothing 😄 So this is actually interesting to me that this is how you viewed that argument, because your counterpoint so to speak is basically just one of semantics. Like we could go back and forth over what the exact intended interpretation of that line from Frieren was, but ultimately I think this kind of runs into one of the possible issues I've been touching on with the series thus far, which is that this show is sometimes too vague for its own good. Sometimes that allows for some cool storytelling and narrative stuff to happen of course, but other times (like right now with this idea of what _exactly_ was meant about the reproductive instincts of elves) it just results in things feeling incomplete. However, it is certainly possible that later on we'll get some more clarity on this and I may be able to adjust this opinion accordingly 🧐 Speaking of clarity, just to clarify: I thought we were getting Aura vs Frieren this episode mostly because of the direction of the storytelling. I typically don't put much stock in things like episode titles and am only even aware of them when they are showed on screen like in Frieren, otherwise I don't really pay attention to them. Regardless if we're talking with or without considering episode titles, this was definitely a bit of misdirection from the show that I don't think is inherently good or bad, but instead serves to continue to establish what kind of series Frieren is if that makes sense. Also I always skip episode previews, as I basically consider them spoilers 😝 But I'm not surprised to hear that some reactors try to speculate using bad information, haha.
@igloo153 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong There is actually a lot of real world science around the relationship between long living species and reproductivity. Animals that live longer tend to not reproduce much or at all. There are a bunch of studies on it so it makes sense that frieren has a low sex drive.
@Airwave2k23 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong Regarding the semantics. The title sousou no Frieren has already dropped and is a wordplay. On top of that something may get lost in the translation. Perhaps there is wiggle room in interpretation. I personally don't like that at the end are these drops of conversation because they are deliberately try to be misleading often enough and for that have little information and will depending how much time passes in between episodes be forgotten anyway. I noticed that you don't pay attention to them. If you are looking for if there is content after the ED playing it is only this outlook in every episode with the exception of the last one in the season that ends a bit different from what is done up till then. Also I missed to say episode 10; hype.
@RiverReactsWatchalong3 ай бұрын
Yeah I've watched enough anime to know to look for post-credit scenes (something which I've seen a number of reactors need to be told to do 😆), but if it's some sort of preview I just skip it. And in some shows (like MHA) where I often let the credits run because I either like the song and/or the visuals, as soon as the credits end and it tries to jump straight into a preview I'll shout "SPOILERS" and click away, haha.
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
The anime studio delivered very well. Funny that somewhat the first entertainment topic the story dives into is a life action anime manga adaptation mirroring what you watch in some regards. The quality is throughout above the throw away adaptations that are fillers in a season and has even high notes. The studio turns up a notch when important things come up. In any case it isn't the visual side alone but the underlying story is binding and the characters have charm. It just needs to get going. Tis is not a power creep next week next villain to defeat show, so yes it needs to establish things and set up.
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
You have a talent exploring thoughts about how things might go, missing exposition right then and now talking over plot and wondering what you missed afterwards.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
I really feel like this is being overstated.
@logikx13254 ай бұрын
19:30 ish I interpret it more as from her perspective, she was incarcerated for doing the only logical thing to do with demons. Humans in the Northlands used to know this. These ones are naive at best, and stupid or corrupt at worst, and given the lack of information, assuming they'd judge her guilty is just the safest option. 33:55 Beyond the Boundry by Kyoto Animation is the one that comes to mind for me with the blood magic.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
It's not necessarily that I'm saying her logic is flawed, just that I'm not sure if it's _correct._ It's similar to how I questioned whether the judgement by Fern and Stark to flee the battle for the sake of the Graf was the right move; it's not that their choice didn't make sense, but you can argue whether the reasoning they used to come to that decision was the right way of thinking about the situation. You see what I'm saying? And in Frieren's case specifically I think it's worth wondering if she's developed a habit over her long years of sort of looking down on races with shorter lifespans because she's likely to have experienced many of their poor decisions firsthand, and may attribute that to some inherent foolishness that prevents them from seeing things from her perspective 🤔
@logikx13254 ай бұрын
It is nice seeing a full reaction rather than a best of. I've rewatched Frieren a lot, this is my 15th, and even just now, I made connections in the ED that I had missed every other time despite trying to figure them out. The symbolism both in naming and visuals is ever present. The soundtrack is also amazing, I love Evan Call. The first 4 episodes were released as kind of a mini-series, all together and basically act as the prologue to the story. You probably know that by now in real time since you are well beyond this, but it helps to understand the pacing a bit better. Anyways, I hope you love this show as much as many of us do!
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
Won't comment much on what you said, since it would either confirm or deny things. So instead I picked up in other comments for this episode that when Frieren defeats Draht and says: "That's one down" she uses the counting for animals and not for humans in Japanese. I found that little detail for somebody like me who is not a speaker of Japanese helpful to get a glimpse into Frierens perspective, that is otherwise lost in translation. I see your pre-discussion expanding. Which is fine since upon rewatch it is clear to pick up stuff that one has to addressee in some way. For separation you could also mark the intro capital, the reaction and after discussion on the time bar.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
You'll never hear me complain about someone NOT spoiling things 🙂 That's a cool detail! I know a bit of Japanese to sometimes notice when characters are using certain words/phrases over others as a way to convey meanings that may be lost in translation, but this is one I definitely didn't pick up on. Certainly fits with how she's talked about demons thus far. If I start consistently having longer intros then I might do that, but for now I won't bother. Also _hopefully_ most of the people who end up watching my videos are folks who are ok with a bit of pre-talk, and are more often than not interested in sticking around for the post-talk 😅
@logikx13254 ай бұрын
That is both correct and incorrect, piki is also used for cannon fodder humanoids in fantasy worlds (ie- goblins, kobolds, imps, or in this case demons). In either case, it is meant as a derogatory way to count if used on humanoids
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
@@logikx1325 Thx for the extra context. I couldn't look deeply into it - language barrier.
@OMGwtfSTFUbrb4 ай бұрын
Really like your style of reaction and analysis
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Thank you! It won't be for everybody but I'm hoping to find an audience who enjoy and appreciate it ^.^
@kevingibson3934 ай бұрын
Fern and Stark had to leave the room with Graf Granat. A battle in that confined spaced would have resulted in Graf Granat’s death as collateral damage from explosions and ricochets.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
I'm sure that's right, but come on I can't be the only one who felt like the altercation was cut short 😆 To take things more seriously though, I wonder how confident the duo felt that they could have won _had_ they disregarded the Graf's life/death. They obviously understand that these demons are dangerous, and there's an argument that leaving them to run rampant in the middle of the city in order to seek medical aid for the Graf would ultimately result in an overall greater loss of life. Bit of a tough call to make in the moment, especially for a pair as inexperienced as these two 🤔
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
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@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
A reminder that names and places in Frieren are german language inspired. So you don't have to look it up. Lügner means liar in german. Draht means wire in german. And Linie means line, trace in german.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Did I... say I was going to look it up? 😅 Oh! I think I know what you're referring to. When I was talking about the characters in the post-episode discussion I didn't remember their names and said something like, "whatever I'm not going to look it up right now". I just meant like I wasn't going to go back to see what their names were since I didn't feel it was necessary for the discussion, as I could just say like "the leader guy" or "the one in the cell" or similar. I didn't mean I was going to like research the origin/meaning of their names, haha. Interesting to see the translations though I suppose 🙂
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong The "So you don't have to look it up" I wrote so you don't need to do it yourself saving you the effort of googling it/use a translation app. It just fits in here to say so, and it is part of the experience one should have when interacting with the material in my point of view. It will also work without this angle, but it adds a layer of thought that was put into it by the author and should be acknowledged when consuming Frieren.
@Lucidium4 ай бұрын
I think you're right that the first half of episodes often don't have an overt connection to the second half, but little throwaway comments and character moments start to slot together or have callbacks over time, like the way the three of them talk about dealing with the landslide.
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
Right. The first half of this episode is just very overpowered by the developments of the second half, but is just as crucial to Frieren overall. If you think in chapters when you had read it the chapter itself is very good. In the bigger picture we come from the introduction with the mission of a new adventure to retrace the steps of the old hero party and the end goal Aureole/Heaven at Ende (Ep1-4 prelude). We just have finished a major step on this path with recruitment of a party member and the first big "difficulty" defeating a dragon (Ep 5&6). The Episode 7 sucks you right into Frieren with this hilarious Frieren waking up scene getting Stark accustomed to the parties ridiculousness. It is this special humor making a every day thing "waking up" a special moment. We get thematically a chapter about legacy and memorial of persons. This is presented through the viewpoint of Frieren, a being that is very long lived. She was around to witness, what is for others so far away in the past, that it has become like a fairy tale. This all is introduced despite the heaviness of the topic the most goofiest way with Himmels self-absorbed spiel, which swings 180° in seriousness that his doing of the statues thing is not only for himself, but for Frieren. The exposition about elves was much needed to clear up why in Frieren compared to other fantasy there are not many around. It is a world-building block, but in typical Frieren fashion it is just an appetizer not the full dish keeping you hungry to know more. This is embedded in the Frieren style mundane tasks "helping quest" clearing a landslide and is presented in a nice to digest way as part of a conversation. But this is no ordinary landslide. It comes in the form of a remark that it is caused by demons. Last time we were introduced to demons was in the Qual Elder Sage of Corruption Chapter 5. In between then and now we only had monsters as adversaries or mundane moments. We are with Episode 7 now in Chapter 13. For the reader 8 weeks/2 months have passed. This single sentence hints/foreshadows future development - the reader could happily look forward that more demon story is coming. This is hype from the manga reader perspective, which goes completely under in the episode, because you have in the second half exactly what you were prepared for here with the one liner. And it all doesn't feel so long ago, because Episode 3 and 7 were half the time "only" 4 weeks ago from each other. Much less for people that may binge watch the episodes. I think you can not appreciate this first half of the episode when you just been introduced to Frieren in your first impression watch of the anime, it works much more whole and as a glue in the manga or upon rewatch, because in it are the bits and pieces that makes the world of Frieren so lived in. On a first time watch you are more excited about the second half seeing the demons and having the action anticipation that comes with it especially with the cliff hanger in the cell.
@punpundit55904 ай бұрын
When I first watched this episode, I felt that it was refreshing, showing demons that seem completely predatory and amoral. After a decade of demons being misunderstood creatures that you only need a protagonist to talk to in order to make peace with... This seemed new and interesting. I disagree with your comments about the storytelling; every manga chapter sets up or pays off something (or really several things) for other chapters, and the timeline is important. You can't put a chapter with Stark in it before Stark having been introduced. Fern needs to be shown being able to but not experienced with fighting monsters before she meets Stark. You can't put a chapter where Stark and Fern have experience with demons before this episode. Shuffling chapters about is how you get an adaptation that is universally panned. Even the flashback at the start of this episode, set before Frieren told her companions that she was Flamme's student, seemed to confuse some people. Also you have said in the past, "I will not watch episodes together that people say to me are good to be watched together". I feel like your criticism of the story structure falls a little flat in the face of not wanting to watch episodes together that were originally aired as a movie-length show intro, for example.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Man manga readers really love to talk about the manga instead of the anime when I talk about things... about the anime Trying to say my criticism of the story structure is invalid because I'm choosing not to group certain episodes is laughable. First of all, the only episodes of the series that aired together were the first four, no other episodes were paired or grouped when airing, so to suggest that I'm basically not experiencing the story properly by not going out of my way to pair specific episodes doesn't even line up with how original viewers watched the show as it was coming out weekly. Second, why should any random viewer be expected to solicit the opinions of other people who have already seen the show about how they "should" be watching it? What if they don't know other people who have watched it? What if they get conflicting opinions about which ways to watch it? Expecting some reliable community sentiment to emerge that permeates the anime community as a whole so that an overwhelming majority of viewers will watch the show the "right way" is nonsense. And last, not everyone has the convenience to just watch whatever whenever. Should people who can only watch an episode here or there because they have limited free time be penalized for not watching "correctly"? Also I hope all my air quotes have conveyed that I find the very idea of there being an inherently superior viewing method to be a bit of a joke in and of itself. Episodes of a show should be able to stand on their own. Whether your series is more focused on episodic storytelling or cares more about an overarching narrative or whatever else, regardless, individual episodes should be able to stand on their own. Criticizing how well they do, or don't, manage that is an entirely reasonable thing to do. Hope this helps.
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
The critique how the Chapters filling in an anime episode is not the first time coming up for debate. Yes within certain episodes there are disconnects or even overlap, because the anime is pretty much a 1:1 adaptation to chapters of the manga itself. So it comes down to runtime. For adapting a single chapter many episodes would be to short. Adapting 3 at a time with 3 different themes that may also be dense material would be to much. The two at times 2.5 chapters per episode is about the best way to have the content not distorted and presented as it was when reading the manga, even if it gives some discomfort at times. Between every chapters was/is a pause when the manga comes out this is the reference. So clearly you feel the bump when you get two different themes presented from starting the episode to the ending of it. I don't think rearranging would have worked, because you could easily make the "growth" of characters inconsistent and make the anime by that into a dumpster fire. Most manga readers were and are very pleased to see this "faithfulness" in adaption of the source material. But as a reader you see the chapters and don't think of the episode as something that need to be a whole from start to end. For somebody seeing the episodes as the first impression that is something to acclimate with I recon.
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
You missed the 3rd Himmel shoutout. And the 4th. Guess you were to much into it to keep counting. Harr Harr. Enjoy the ride.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Yeah I realized while editing that I dropped the bit partway through, haha. Maybe I'll try to do better in the future 😂
@Hronika-kw5pl4 ай бұрын
30:32 It was a scene from the "Sweet Today" TV drama You missed a lot, rewatch it again
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
The fact that that scene was from the TV drama and I didn't realize it is 100% just poor execution by the show. Even rewatching it the only reason I was able to recognize you were right about that is because I was specifically looking for details to support your claim and noticed that the uniform is the same, something which is *super* easy to miss when the character is on-screen for _literally_ 5 seconds in a dark environment. I haven't rewatched the episode in full yet, but I have a strong feeling that had I done so without someone saying anything I still would have assumed that scene was a brief flash of Kana's real life and not the first thing we were being shown of the TV drama.
@Hronika-kw5pl4 ай бұрын
@@RiverReactsWatchalong i think you just didn't catch it because the previous scene was literally them standing beside a laptop and saying "Let's watch it" they even cut it for a brief second and show Ruby's commentary. In the original manga for Oshi no ko you can't even see the uniform so it's not a point. It is instead made into brief scenes from the episodes they were watching and their reactions just like in the anime Poor execution doesn't exist when it comes to Oshi no ko or they would dig themselves a grave. You will see what I mean later on
@NapstaMeme4 ай бұрын
stark got violated by Fern
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
That's... not inaccurate, but I still feel like you shouldn't say it that way 😅
@punpundit55904 ай бұрын
I think part of the reason you had a problem with the dragon animation at the start is what we're used to. Often dragons are animated like giant bulldogs; this one was animated like a giant cat. I personally like this depiction. Frieren sure set Stark up socially pretty well by saying he'd have to "keep it busy for 30 seconds," huh? Kind of like she set Fern up in the last episode. The fight animation was 30 seconds by the way.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
So you think it was more about the _idea_ behind the way they animated it and not the animation itself? Interesting, I'll try to pay more attention to that on rewatch since I haven't done that yet 🤔 You know, you have a point. This does arguably lend more credence to the belief you shared last episode. I'll be curious to see if we get more similar examples in the near future 🧐
@Airwave2k24 ай бұрын
As it should be seen in the episodes so far the author of Frieren is very crafty in using tropes, in either subverting them, twisting them in a "fresh" way or play them straight. Since you can not be sure which way it goes the trope don't feel old and exhausted, but rather satisfying when it went a way you predict it would go or have a genuine surprise when they don't. It is somewhat expectable that Stark joins the party, but you watch the show how it comes about. Given that we departed with half of the original party in the beginning of the show and how episodically the show is so far there is no strong drive that it really goes that way, rather Eisens death makes one worry - it also could have been a temporary event to handle the problem and then move on. In any case by showing Eisen trained him and we have apprenticeship as a motive with Fern/Frieren and then Stark/Eisen it is very unlikely to have gone that route. It was funny to watch you getting furious not served the full "backstory" of the interaction from Eisen and Stark in one go and when with flashbacks telling it you got your relieve. Not to speak of the 3second flash of a crazy big foe the original party was going up against, just to tease the audience. Stark is a run away - he thinks of himself as a coward. Stark has no reference point for his own strength. He can only compare himself to his master Eisen, who by himself was one of the strongest out there as part of the hero party. And for that he only looked up and never realized, when he overcame his master at a certain point. Room to grow. Regarding watching episodes togehter. The suggestion to do certain episodes is good, but when I write it in comments I always advice, that it changes the viewing experience. It has its pros and cons. With you saying you keep every episode separated it should translate to a more original viewing of us Frieren friday crowd when it aired as premiere. Frieren in my view as show needs some downtime in between episodes to let it soak in, but I'm also ok with people viewing some strongly linked episodes together. 5&6 goes well together, because you get the conclusion of the dragon fight and how the party grows with a 3rd member. Having episode 5 alone is how you experienced a bit less satisfying because you don't have the conclusions right in it. Putting episodes together panders mostly to overcome patience you have to have when it was weekly showen. In any case nobody complained harshly viewing episodes togehter, so it is also a way to go about viewing the show as a whole.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
There's definitely some thematic stuff with Stark's character being both an apprentice to Eisen as well as a cowardly warrior the same as he was, for sure. It'll be interesting to see if those specific character notes will be fleshed out or if they're going to be more background with other aspects receiving greater focus. And I have a feeling these intentionally incomplete flashbacks and scenes are going to continue to frustrate me for a while 😆 Still waiting for Frieren to answer Fern's question about why she's used to hearing her master beg for her life! I haven't forgotten about that! As someone who used to binge shows fairly regularly, and _can't_ really do that for a reaction channel, watching episodes individually makes you more aware of pacing which is an easy area for a show to struggle with I think. Part of the reason why binge culture has flourished is because when you watch several episodes of a show back-to-back it generally makes it easier to ignore (or even completely miss) some of its shortcomings because the high points _feel_ closer together and the low/slow points are easier to forget, especially without reflection. Not sure yet exactly how this applies to Frieren, but it's something that I think about.
@OMGwtfSTFUbrb4 ай бұрын
Hi I'm a lurker and almost never comment (unless enraged XD). I really like the full length reaction. Keep up the good work.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting! Glad some people seem to be liking the watchalong reactions I'm doing with this channel ^.^
@unnecessarilyhonest60514 ай бұрын
those lights are indeed marcille's magic to light up the room. cant wait for more dungeon meshi reactions
@unnecessarilyhonest60514 ай бұрын
also dont worry everything will be tied together just enjoy the ride. i really like the little details you pick about the characters
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Yeah once I made the connection it felt kind of obvious 😅 I think people will like the next one, since I was kind of _losing my mind_ watching it 😂 Should go up Saturday!
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Oh you added another comment while I was replying, haha. Thanks, I like to think I'm decent at character analysis. And based on some (non-spoiler) stuff I've seen about the series and mangaka I'm expecting that some things will eventually come together in surprisingly meaningful ways ^.^
@Logan0014 ай бұрын
Just caught up with your reactions to this series. You're pretty observant, looking forward to seeing your reactions to what's to come.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope you continue to enjoy ^.^
@Logan0014 ай бұрын
It may have gone unnoticed, but revival magic is a thing in the setting. There will be more about this later into the show.
@RiverReactsWatchalong4 ай бұрын
I don't remember where I first explicitly comment on it, but I did notice there were a few quick throwaway lines early on where people casually comment on having died. While resurrection magic would be the most straightforward explanation (and I believe Marcille also asks in episode 2 if she should use her magic to bring back some random dead guy they happen upon), I didn't want to make assumptions about the way the world works 🧐 With how little they initially explore the lore of the dungeon, for all I know it comes with its own built-in respawner or something 😆