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@unanon_user
@unanon_user Күн бұрын
My problem with this group of ragtag nobodies is the way their plans quickly devolved into women a war. they became less concerned about defending their homes. you can kind of tell by the way they went after the cardassians. they should have listened to quark. I thought he had everything laid out pretty well for them. in the end, peace became far too expensive for those settlers because of the actions of a few. The world adding to news those weapons on? making an uninhabitable for his adversaries? he could have taken All those starving people he was talking about too a new home to call their own and did not. so, he was a total hypocrite. didn't really care about the people who were starving in caves or anything like that. just wanted to win his little war.
@ouknow1446
@ouknow1446 Күн бұрын
You are mistaking bad *ss with criminal. A war crime is a war crime especially one done in retaliation.
@CJR-wv8kc
@CJR-wv8kc Күн бұрын
Except it wasn't, general order 24 gives a Starfleet captain full authority to obliterate a planet if it can be deemed that they are a threat to the federation
@ouknow1446
@ouknow1446 7 сағат бұрын
@@CJR-wv8kc Immediate threat I assume?
@Kazedor
@Kazedor 2 күн бұрын
That ending scene "In the Pale Moonlight" was genius!
@zanomanis1234
@zanomanis1234 2 күн бұрын
All of this glorious ds9 eps. Where are we now? Ah yes , "Captain Teary Eyes on Every Episodes Burnham". God help us all.
@Klemheist-vf1hx
@Klemheist-vf1hx 4 күн бұрын
Yes, but if they attach 400kg of Trilithium to one torpedo instead of 200kg on two , they can waste more planets.
@TheBlackEsquire
@TheBlackEsquire 4 күн бұрын
I am not Jean Luc Picard
@ryefry
@ryefry 4 күн бұрын
Pale Moonlight might be the best episode ever
@darkflamestudios
@darkflamestudios 4 күн бұрын
Eddington is Colwyn in Krull.
@4HBirtcher
@4HBirtcher 5 күн бұрын
The episode of which Avery (Sisko) released his inner Hawk (Spenser for Hire) attitude!
@larrytinsley4247
@larrytinsley4247 6 күн бұрын
That was tucked up and definitely against Star fleet codes
@DelilaSloan
@DelilaSloan 8 күн бұрын
I love how sisko doenst take his eyes off of the screen the whole time dukat is giving orders and counting....the bored look on siskos face is perfect.
@bradivany7008
@bradivany7008 9 күн бұрын
A tremendous amount of people in the comments do not understand this show, or the complex, harsh and grey moralities of the real world. Sisko #1. Great scene.
@CJR-wv8kc
@CJR-wv8kc Күн бұрын
Or understand star trek, general order 24 gives him the authority to obliterate the planet
@PeachWookiee
@PeachWookiee 9 күн бұрын
The scene from “Past Tense, Part 2” hits more since we are now less than four months from the date the Bell Riots are to have happened.
@lightningfirst689
@lightningfirst689 10 күн бұрын
"You betrayed your uniform!" Sisko said calmly.
@xavariusquest4603
@xavariusquest4603 14 күн бұрын
The greatest and most adult episode of the entire franchise. This would not work without these two brilliant actors. Robinson was perfection as Garak.
@situationsixtynine8743
@situationsixtynine8743 15 күн бұрын
Sisko was Star Trek best and baddest captain, period 🔥
@5urg3x
@5urg3x 16 күн бұрын
STOP COUNTING
@malicant123
@malicant123 16 күн бұрын
Up next, Dukat calls in a couple of hard, pipe-hittin' glinns to go to work on the captain of that freighter with a pair of pliers and a phaser torch.
@DinsRune
@DinsRune 16 күн бұрын
What's the old adage? "Send Picard to stop a war, send Sisko to win one"
@heather9857
@heather9857 17 күн бұрын
These are great choices. The last two were on my mind at the start of the video. I would have had to include something from The Wire, Treachery, Faith and the Great River and It's Only a Paper Moon.
@ultra6671
@ultra6671 20 күн бұрын
The scariest thing about this sequence is that you can't tell how much of it is Sisko playing up his role as the villain and how much is his legitimate fury at Eddington and the Maquis.
@ronin667
@ronin667 21 күн бұрын
Where's Marritza? Marritza, who was good for nothing but cowering under his bunk and weeping like a woman. Who every night covered his ears because he couldn't bear to hear the screaming... for mercy... of the Bajorans...
@Kor409
@Kor409 21 күн бұрын
I really don't understand why everyone is pro Sisco on this. Eddington is completely right, Sisco is a war criminal and an attempted mass murder in this. I know of cause it is the old Moby Dick, but even there everyone hates Ahab. If the writers wanted to prof, why so many people are following even the crulest leaders, they succeeded if you look into this comments. And before anyone argues: But nobody was killed. That doesn't make it better, that was just luck. Sisco didn't know, that everyone could evaluate the planet, a broken shuttle or a mass panic and he would have been a murderer of potential dozens of people. This is the absolute worst episode of ds9 in my opinion, because it is portraying Sisco completely wrong.
@jedimaverick221
@jedimaverick221 24 күн бұрын
DS9 was great till they started bringing racism into it. They pissed all over Roddenberry's dream of equality. Nichelle Nicholls tells a story about MLK walking up to her in a party and telling how proud he was to get to meet her, because she was the first black actor to be a main cast member on screen front & center every week. They had Sulu and Checkov as well. Roddenberry created Star Trek with the idea of unity of all races on earth.
@LordyT34
@LordyT34 18 күн бұрын
Huh?
@theeverything611
@theeverything611 14 күн бұрын
Star Trek was running along just fine until they got political. That’s why I don’t watch Star Trek produced in the 21st century except for Nemesis
@adjsmith
@adjsmith 26 күн бұрын
Honestly? I never read this as Sisco being a badass. Yes, his actions cut short a deadly and destructive guerilla campaign. Yes, the Maquis engaged in acts of terror. But two war-crimes do not make a hero. Eddington was right: Sisco absolutely did betray his uniform. And some of you don't even realize it. There's commentary here, if you care. Or, you can just take the uncritical read that Sisco is an unflinching, unfeeling, stone-cold "badass" and praise his willingness to commit an atrocity.
@theeverything611
@theeverything611 14 күн бұрын
Hence why I never really got into DS9 as much as I did with TNG and especially VGR
@mellifluousmallow
@mellifluousmallow 26 күн бұрын
Sisko really proved that humans may seem like root beer, but we will always have the capacity to be the worst. If the moment calls for it. Our own history is proof.
@roguerifter9724
@roguerifter9724 26 күн бұрын
<sarcasm> Yes poisoning a planet to try its inhabitants out because some of them support a man you have a grudge against is so badass.</sarcasm> Sisko is my favorite series main captain in Star Trek but this is easily my least favorite action he ordered during the show. And there is no way he hell he should have avoided court-martial after this stunt. Just another sign of how badly the Federation handled the DMZ. The Cardassians can get away with anything, including kidnapping members of Starfleet (Which they did to O'Brien) and get at most a slap on the wrist. But if the colonists the Federation abandoned start fighting back Starfleet has to stop them by any means necessary. Note that even though the Cardassian colonies have their own version of the Maquis, and by the treaty's terms those are the worlds the Federation is responsible for, you never see Starfleet put a fraction of the effort into hunting them they put into taking out the Maquis. And Eddington is among my least favorite Maquis characters but IMO this was Sisko acting more like a schoolyard bully with a grudge given the keys to chemical weapons rather then anything he should have done.
@giladpellaeon3664
@giladpellaeon3664 27 күн бұрын
Sisko: If the Federation loses the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.
@MARKO-hy1pp
@MARKO-hy1pp 28 күн бұрын
Everybody's laughing until he actually launches torpedoes.
@ccirish4519
@ccirish4519 29 күн бұрын
He is so over done .... I hate this actor
@darkblack7317
@darkblack7317 9 күн бұрын
You just hate him because he's black
@chopin65
@chopin65 Ай бұрын
The entire point of this episode is to question yourself. How far would you go?
@MAVERICK1O1O
@MAVERICK1O1O Ай бұрын
Brooks should have won an Emmy for the episode in a pale moonlight the last scene in this video and where they bring the romulans into the war and he is fighting with his conscience brilliant
@LudvigIndestrucable
@LudvigIndestrucable Ай бұрын
I think this was his bid to become an admiral, this has definite Star Fleet admiral vibes.
@bym6952
@bym6952 Ай бұрын
There’s an old Andorian saying, “ Never push the pinkskins to the thin ice”.
@davidsmith7962
@davidsmith7962 Ай бұрын
Loved Captain Sisko!!
@jacob7_7_7
@jacob7_7_7 Ай бұрын
Yuh buh truhyed Yuy yooniphorm!
@azuroth8609
@azuroth8609 Ай бұрын
"This is why sisko is a badass" *watches as Sisko commits a warcrime*
@raptor454369
@raptor454369 29 күн бұрын
The Maquis used biogenetic weapons on a Federation outpost. That’s a war crime. They should’ve not done that. There are consequences for provoking war. Makes ya think eh? Star Trek, always thought provoking!
@azuroth8609
@azuroth8609 29 күн бұрын
@@raptor454369 two wrongs don't make a right, though. Just because your opponent does crime doesn't mean it's okay for everyone!
@CJR-wv8kc
@CJR-wv8kc Күн бұрын
Actually no war crime was committed, general order 24 gives a Starfleet captain full authority to do this if it can be deemed that it is a threat to the federation, a threat that under eddingtons leadership they were becoming
@raptor454369
@raptor454369 Күн бұрын
@@azuroth8609 You’re absolutely right… but whoops Eddington and the Maquis just used another biogenetic weapon on another Federation outpost. Thousands just died horribly. But there’s no consequences for committing a war crime so why not attack a third outpost… and how about a fourth.🤷🏻‍♂️
@danidavis7912
@danidavis7912 Ай бұрын
Back when this was airing I really didn't like DS9. My wife and I watched it just because we were ST fans but joked at the time, "DS9 - to boldly sit somewhere in space where everyone else tromps through." But here, decades later, I sat and watched the entire run again over the past few months and frankly have learned a great new respect for this series. It really was magnificent and extremely well done. I would love to see a reunion of some kind.
@Shatterverse
@Shatterverse Ай бұрын
Who was more ruthless when pushed: Sisko or Janeway?
@theeverything611
@theeverything611 14 күн бұрын
I would say Sisko unless you count the alternate reality episode of VGR (can’t remember the name) where Voyager was an actual warship and poisoned planets and tortured and murder people basically because they could
@kanaric
@kanaric Ай бұрын
i always thought the whole calling him javier was fucking stupid like come up with something original
@sirgerar2006
@sirgerar2006 Ай бұрын
Curious what Jean Luc would ‘suggest’ if he was present 🥸
@sportsfisher9677
@sportsfisher9677 Ай бұрын
Sisko unfortunately was willing to commit war crimes to stop war crimes. Odd morality lesson.
@bradivany7008
@bradivany7008 9 күн бұрын
Morality is odd sometimes.
@BrookelynJane64
@BrookelynJane64 Ай бұрын
Eddington is right. Sisko is being unhinged and unethical right now. The opposite of what star fleet and the federation stands for.
@raptor454369
@raptor454369 Күн бұрын
It’s a morally grey conundrum. It would greatly benefit Eddington if Sisko followed the rules… he could keep on using biogenic weapons against Federation Outposts. Guerrillas rely on the morality of their opponents to win, but it’s a dangerous game to play against a much stronger opponent. Eddington put those women and children in harms way when he poked the bear and then prayed for mercy. Sisko is wrong but the Maquis are defeated and Eddington is captured.
@Greshgore
@Greshgore Ай бұрын
Honorable mention has to go to "Duet" and the first major shift in Kira's charactet. The climactic talk between Kira and Marritza combined with the tragic ending is a wow moment of its own.
@lekoman
@lekoman Ай бұрын
"Do you know how he got them?" "Mail order?" 😂
@christianrissotto.gordohom3478
@christianrissotto.gordohom3478 Ай бұрын
Sisko like always taking all the heavy choises in hard times.
@adamb89
@adamb89 Ай бұрын
The rate at which those clouds were spreading through the atmosphere, the wind speeds would've been beyond hurricane strength. Doubt there'd be much left to evacuate!
@thedq4542
@thedq4542 Ай бұрын
The Pale Moonlight is my absolute fav episode in all of the trek universe. Garak was cold.
@mattw4k266
@mattw4k266 Ай бұрын
So much modern context to this. IE Israel V Palestine and the extremes Israel has had to go to to root Hamas out
@Btester2
@Btester2 Ай бұрын
Garak is the peak of good guy doesnt mean nice guy.