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@tomc4717 21 сағат бұрын
"HR are people too". Nice one, had a hard chuckle.
@mibdragon82 3 күн бұрын
Usually it is a formal plan for failure. You put you best foot forward, despite that, results and numbers are difficult to achieve.
@CLWill 3 күн бұрын
Very true.
@radastir 8 күн бұрын
Mandatory management literature: "The no Asshole Rule" from Robert Sutton
@jasonl9682 9 күн бұрын
100%
@petzkhie 12 күн бұрын
Sounds about just right hahaahaha
@ElderTechDragon 12 күн бұрын
Yes. Someone wrote a book about this back in 1969 called "The Peter Principle". Which basically says that people will always be promoted to their highest level of incompetence.
@XZenon 12 күн бұрын
But hey, everyone will hate you and you get to sacrifice even more hours of your life for even more money!
@Batman-n1q1v 12 күн бұрын
I was heard. Then after i got another job and I was no longer there to hold up the weak links. The management finally used all my suggestions. They even created a new role to rewrite the the test codes for the quality control of which I hid all my work done on that that only needed engineer approved to tick the boxes. They used all my ideas and they got the bonuses. After working in that factory, I now understand why Australia doesn't make cars any more. The inefficiency of crappy leaders and management has an extraordinary cost to society. Grest job making these videos and educating 💪
@CLWill 11 күн бұрын
Ouch!
@Batman-n1q1v 12 күн бұрын
I prefer someone who knows the workflow to become manager than a dirkhead outsider coming in who has no clue. The upper management has to be generous and appreciate that experience. Or hire a bulshit artist outsider manager that will cost a lot more in Los of production but will be always have an excuse to the lost production and still get their bonuses.
@CLWill 11 күн бұрын
Or ... how about we a) promote people who want to be a manager and b) teach them how to be a manager.
@brw3079 13 күн бұрын
If you promote your best machinist to shop manager, the only certainty is you just lost your best machinist.
@SpeedandthePower 13 күн бұрын
Oh and dont forget the $5/yr salary increase!
@jonathansaindon788 13 күн бұрын
And your ex-coworkers will hate you 😂
@Chris-hx3om 13 күн бұрын
It's called the 'Peter Principle'.
@OK-zn9su 13 күн бұрын
And also you get to practice new skills on live people, that takes years. That is why a good manager much harder to find
@CLWill 11 күн бұрын
So true!
@supereliptic 13 күн бұрын
This is me. HOLY SHIT THIS IS ME!!!
@kulturalnoize7813 13 күн бұрын
Becasue old school capitalist management was 20% to manage the business regardless. Today manager are a work for hire, non profesional generic low balled salary for the work and responsability. Very ungrateful place to be, but if you can get 20% then it will be worth all the blood sweat and tears but rember ypu are hire to improve the store not to own it.
@migelsker 13 күн бұрын
This is so tru
@lilforkk9656 13 күн бұрын
The slide whistle and darkening at the end is so comical but correct 😭🤣
@238Hero238 13 күн бұрын
Yeah when I get to this point, I'll just say, nah, give me a raise to slightly exceed inflation and I'm set.
@tactful_proposal 13 күн бұрын
"Sorry but you're at the top of your band😅"
@CLWill 11 күн бұрын
This. Exactly this.
@BillZinck 13 күн бұрын
And they don't compensate for the added responsibility also😅
@pharmcat8484 13 күн бұрын
At that point you’re just being set up for failure. Nice use of the slide whistle by the way.
@mikaelos 13 күн бұрын
Peter's Principle in action
@MahfuzKhan7 14 күн бұрын
I've been through that meeting for real and it's really this weird 😅
@PotatoTomato-b9d 15 күн бұрын
What if the majority of staff are protected but their roles are being eliminated?
@CLWill 15 күн бұрын
Help me understand what you mean. What do you mean by "protected"?
@melancholikak6844 21 күн бұрын
Most leaders cast shame if you talk about these things.
@Genlivoo 26 күн бұрын
Thank you i need this
@LearningAndGrowingInLife 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing the video! I recently accepted a stepping stone role after being unemployed for over a year following a mass layoff. I asked ChatGPT about the minimum time I should stay before looking/leaving for more desirable roles or organizations, and it suggested staying at least 6 months, ideally 1 year, to avoid being labeled as a job hopper and draw red flags. I know this video emphasizes the importance of impact/accomplishments over duration, which makes sense, but I’m curious-do you have any thoughts on these baselines (6 months, 1 year, etc.) as the absolute minimum? I'd love to hear your take on balancing impact with tenure.
@CLWill 15 күн бұрын
Sorry for the delayed reply, been traveling. I honestly don't think there's a minimum, if there's a good reason. If you get into a really lousy situation and realize it within weeks, there's nothing wrong with leaving asap. Just make sure you have a good, short, reason why it didn't work out. "I was shocked to discover a manager who was hostile and a culture that matched. For my own sanity, I left promptly." That's fine. That said, if you just left for $$ or you didn't stay long enough to accomplish anything, that's not great. You should have known the former, and should have at least stayed long enough to get something done. Hope this helps.
@staceybryceadams9276 Ай бұрын
It's a falsehood; some PIP are racist or sexist and political Now it would be nice if 100% of PIPs were valid, but they are subjective at best.
@CLWill Ай бұрын
To be sure. I'd settle for even the majority of them being earnest plans for improvement toward redemption. That's certainly not the case today.
@mattmartin6493 Ай бұрын
Hr shouldn't exist honestly
@itpro-m8ttelugugirl Ай бұрын
Fake document can be created by manager
@rick-ry3kj Ай бұрын
My boss put me on a two week "PIP" without ever giving me one on one meetings before, just out of the blue basing his performance review on feedback from senior techs, despite the fact that in almost a year and a half I only had maybe 3 escalations from customers and not serious ones, and basing it all on an oral exam I had taken with two senior techs that were overlooking the exam performance. Now, whenever they asked me to be on pager duty, I would gladly do it, now per company policy because of my "low performance" I am not able to pursue other positions within the company.
@tomdunn563 Ай бұрын
You mean to tell me that you don't listen to their grievances to then just turn around and overly critique their work performance as a way of gaslighting them into thinking they should be glad you even allow them to work there still? Weird.
@CLWill Ай бұрын
Well, I don't. I'm sure some do, but that's not what a good leader does :)
@Batman-n1q1v 12 күн бұрын
@@CLWillyes you are talking about what a good leader would do. Good video 👍
@robertjones7327 Ай бұрын
I’m being threatened with one after having issued a concern about ethics of a task I’m being asked to do
@CLWill Ай бұрын
Make certain you are documenting everything. Take notes about every meeting you have. Communicate mostly in email and keep copies of those emails. If you talk to your manager or HR about it verbally, the second you get back, write down everything you can remember about the meeting. Dates, times, things said, and by whom. Write it all down and keep the copies on your own devices, at home. It won't necessarily help you not get put on a PIP but it will be gold if something happens that means you end up in court or arbitration.
@Forthekay Ай бұрын
Your videos and wisdom are much appreciated
@CLWill Ай бұрын
Glad you like them! Thanks for taking the time to say so.
@realFriedrichHayek Ай бұрын
Excellent video - about time someone told others to just do what they know needs to be done!
@CLWill Ай бұрын
Yep. Like the scarecrow, the tin man, and the lion, you already know how to do this. :)
@MrRoboto81 Ай бұрын
A PIP means management has already decided to get rid of you, and are just going through the motions to cover their bases legally. It doesn’t matter how much you improve, they’ll find an excuse to dump you. And even if you do somehow manage to survive a PIP, your chances of ever moving up in the company are destroyed. Even if you attempt a lateral move, you will never be promoted.
@carlosarreolajr2863 Ай бұрын
I work with a micro managing boss how I get to him is literally get the task done and get at him what else is needed the story goes he backs off as I am accomplishing the assignments
@davidoliver9551 Ай бұрын
I was put on a pep without any notification or performance discussion whatsoever. Seems to be just a lover managers use to enforce their will on getting you out the door.
@jrobertmoore9406 Ай бұрын
Agreed. When I was 27 I had two dozen people working under me split about evenly between professional and clerical. I made a point to talk with each and every one of them daily, even if only briefly. My superiors said I was too friendly, and I should stay in my office more. But we never missed a deadline, had very few employee problems, and I could plan around those inescapable personal issues, like parenting, that can intefere with job performance. I also promoted quickly, which helped...
@chapagawa Ай бұрын
If your organization and manager let you slip into PIP land, they do not care and it is not worth trying to recover. The best thing is to work hard through the PIP phase with you boss, and in parallel find another job in another company. It is good to leave the company without the PIP left on your record, in case you have the fortune to return there in the future.
@CLWill Ай бұрын
Yep, that's what the last half of the video is all about. Get through it, and get gone.
@chapagawa Ай бұрын
@@CLWillYep, the conclusion of the video is spot on. If you can clear up the PIP before you leave that will be good too.
@TheMightyCookieShow Ай бұрын
I think if I was ever asked to do this one of these stupid courses I would probably just resign right then and there.
@realFriedrichHayek 2 ай бұрын
This is excellent advice and should be broadcast to every college on and onboarding session from Day 1! One question is how do you break past the career specific networking. I find my best network advocates are those I share a personal interest in, and work is just a segue to get chatting to them in the first place
@CLWill 2 ай бұрын
As I noted in the video, try turning to the other parent on the soccer sideline, the other volunteer at the fundraiser, that person who lives two doors down who you see at the mailbox, the person down the pew at church, … There are people all around you. Don’t be creepy, but just see if there’s common ground.
@venkatb8317 2 ай бұрын
Is any impact on service and experience letter
@darklyte24 2 ай бұрын
@CLWill Is a PIP appropriate for what does not seem to be performance issues and are actually instances you were seeking answers and clarity your boss was not able to provide? Can one be delegated excess unreasonable duties not with in their job scope?
@CLWill 2 ай бұрын
A PIP might be used by the manager in that case because (from their point of view) the person is not performing as requested. It's a bit of a fib to say that, but it is not uncommon. WRT duties not on the job scope, unless you're under a very specific contract, what's in your job scope is what your manager deems it is.
@ladyoftheflowers9781 2 ай бұрын
Amazing how 10 hour a week jobs become 40 hours a week with all the senseless meetings. The 30 hour workweek is much more possible when pointless meetings are cut.
@MatthewJBarnetteOO7 2 ай бұрын
Moral of the story: Fuck HR!
@DavidRay78 2 ай бұрын
I have faced counteroffers several times in my career and debated it at length. The likelihood of taking a compensation bump now to stay and later face a scenario of little to no comp increases because you have put yourself in a situation where you reach the top of your pay band or they just skip the next cycle because of your last pay increase is real. They also know that you caved and would prefer to stay when given a competing offer and after meeting your demands, they'll look to restore the balance.
@CLWill 2 ай бұрын
And in the meantime, you're never given any real responsibility for anything because why risk it on someone who threatened to leave?
@ladyoftheflowers9781 2 ай бұрын
I would say being a part of a protected class can at least mitigate the motivation for retaliation in this process. Lousy excuses can do for at-will, but once you have a protected characteristic, it becomes a lot easier to correlate any write-ups with discrimination. That being said, I don't ever employ this strategy. It is unwise. Just take a new job, leave, and thank them for your time.
@psychonaut689 2 ай бұрын
I was put on notice to improve or whatever they called it. It was basically a formality after I'd put in a grievance for bullying, to get me back on track again. The MD needed to keep staff; otherwise he didn't make any money. Companies don't need this bullshit; it costs them money. Be a huge pain in the arse for them; it's not worth it for them.
@ladyoftheflowers9781 3 ай бұрын
Never thought I wanted to lead... managed a team for five years... never wanted to learn to code... did coding and machine learning... life is weird and you follow weird paths throughout life. Cool channel. Glad to have found it! In my 30's and glad to learn some more from your experience!
@CLWill 2 ай бұрын
Thanks and best of luck to you.