wau. ich hab schoen immer mich gefragt wegen des namens ob du vonn Europa bist. Das war wundervoll dich reden zu hoeren :)

The Dewalt one for the slow speed I think is incase someone tosses it in a tool box and slightly presses the trigger, it won't run the battery dead. To be honest its a nice feature for a worksite thing. Most people won't be running it slow like that otherwise you are doing something like this.

CNC Band Saw is a thing. Look it up.

You should watch "new yorkshire workshop" Matt he built a huge 8x4 machine.

I've always thought at what point do you become more of a programmer and less of a woodworker.

Matthias, fo you I think it would work out better just writing the gcode by hand for a CNC. You would know exactly what the machine does, and you could do it in way less time than clicking around with a mouse.

By the way, what planet are you from?

I found this really insightful and agree on all of your points. Some might be interested to know that I did a complete cost vs process vs output of adding CNC to my cabinet shop and I couldn’t make it pay vs just having a dedicated CNC shop cut all the pieces for me. I know that’s a little outside the scope of your talk but it surprised me just how hard it was to financially make a positive fiscal case for owning a 4x8 CNC.

Great video, and thanks for also demonstrating how versatile the humble Robertson screwdriver is -- which I also routinely use as a punch, nail set, and boring tool. Peter Lymburner would be proud!

I have unlimited access to an industrial grade CNC and have had such access to CNC machines for 10 years or so. In the beginning, after constructing two CNC machines and learning to use them, I made everything I possibly could on the machines and was a "CNC evangelist". Later as a teacher of CNC design and fabrication, I challenged the limits of the machine, staying ahead of the students. Now, semi-retired, I work for a company where I design and fabricate complex custom/prototype parts, again using a CNC machine as well as an industrial grade laser cutter. But I have also taken on a massive restoration project which involves reproducing Arts and Crafts details, built-ins, and furnishings for a 100-year-old house that suffered a crude "Mid-Century Modern" facelift in the early 60s. I have a well-equipped home shop and could easily incorporate a CNC machine. But it would be no help at all. Although I draw everything in CAD and have both the funds and space for my own machine, I ultimately come down on Mr. Wandel's side of this discussion. If CNC is your thing, that's freaking great. If you are Martin Molin, you have to have one to build your Marble Machine. If you are Frank Howarth, CNC machining is a fundamental element of your art and your architecture. No question that many creative people can put CNC technology to use as a vital element of their art and craft. But for the sorts of projects that made WoodGears one of the best channels on KZbin, and for anyone on the Steve Ramsey/Mark Spagnuolo/David Marks/Christopher Schwarz/George Nakashima/James Krenov continuum, messing with a CNC machine is a waste of your time, talent, and resources.

What about a CNC bandsaw table that moves the work instead of trying to move the blade. Or what about a jigsaw that works like a Cricut?

I've thought about building a CNC, but I have even less use for it than Matthias does since I'm a hand tool guy. It just seems like it'd be so much fun to build one. I do use engineering drawings a lot, so maybe one of these days I'll build a plotter.

Spent 4th of July weekend helping a Machine shop guy input the casting and machining D size drawings to build 500 CNC machined from solid block prototypes. I had all the Z heights colored in with different color crayons. The guy had his kid there and we gave extra paper drawings for him to color in The cnc work had about 8 different tooling stations. You moved the blocks to the right each operation. Flipped them over to do backsides too. Solid block a left. Finished part at right We machined in the draft angles so looked cast. Sandblast areas seen to look like a hard tooled casting. Machinist CAD guy had his own program on an Apple II and that was in 1983 for a floppy drive 3.5 inch. They paid him like 10k and we worked many days. That 10k was extra bonus on top of normal fee since insane work all hours to meet deadline. I got paid a several grand bonus too.

If you find the time to record your other talk as well, I would be very interested to hear a general talk on making tools from wood. Even though your KZbin audience might know some of your talking points already, I think since you didn't give a concise presentation of your thoughts, it'd still be really cool to watch.

*Jaunty music* “Hey babe I’m just gonna go work on a project in the shed.” “No.” “Okey dokey!” *Jaunty music*

Annoying

Danke Matthias dass ich schon so lange deine Videos genießen kann. Schöne Grüße aus Stuttgart! Und wenn du das nächste Mal in Deutschland bist, kündige es unbedingt vorher an. Ein meet and greet wäre sicherlich toll :)

Plus there's flex that happens when you cut a lot of pieces out of wood and you lose accuracy. I sold my CNC for woodworking. This video is spot on sadly 😞

We saw a quality product and not some crap.

I bought a hobby CNC a few years ago to cut gears and ai was disappointed because, even though the gears were extremely small and detailed, I was getting the same results faster on my Scrollsaw by hand. Frankly, when I’m cutting out delicate gears from a piece of burl wood or brittle hardwood, a 3mm spindle is _not_ as good as a fine-toothed Scrollsaw blade.

for the people that dont speak german, its funny because he has a very clear "southern" accent.

The only benefit to CNC is if you’re producing a lot of the same product. So you spend the time designing it and setting it up once and you have multiple CNC’s producing that product in mass. I have cameras on every CNC and monitor them from my office while I put the time in on another product. Beyond that if you are just utilizing one as a hobby, they’re great if you don’t have the woodworking skills or the space for all the woodworking tools. A single CNC and or laser can accommodate your projects needs without the need for a workshop full of tools. But in his case, if you have the shop and the experience and generally making random projects, the CNC can complicate matters.

damn, I wanted to hear you speak German

I didn't actually think I'd watch it all the way through, but I did. I'm not sure how long I've been following you, but I feel like I've heard every point you made previously, including the gear cutting competition haha hm, that reminds me; I really need to get those parts to fix my bandsaw

7 minutes of proving people wrong on the internet 🤗, top tier youtube Matthias.

Und ich dachte schon... oh nein schon wieder AI translation 😮😅

The Canadian accent gives him away!

Most illuminating - thanks! I wonder if there is a case for "roughing" out on the bandsaw and finishing on CNC (about which I know nothing).

the rail and leadscrew kit... i've got a project where i've got some. custom drill press xy table, the cheapie i bought isn't long enough, i'm planning to make parts for another project, it's all holes in straight lines, brackets, bigguns, maybe for sale. a semi-auto cnc mill perhaps in your case? control with handwheels on rotary encoders, use some cheap glass scales/linear encoders? you do a fair bit of things with holes that need to be in position... was talkin with someone recently about cnc, he apparently worked in a factory where mortise and tennon work was done by cnc, that's a really shallow cut, for hobbyists, all that stuff could be made easier by using cnc parts, without the computer and only eve need to be about 100mm stroke. maybe you'll get what i'm saying, dunno.

Netter Dialekt, klingt schon sehr schwäbisch, find ich klasse :-)

Just to let you know there's a thing called "laser", which eliminates practically all of the problems you mentioned in the video, are about 70% cheaper to buy/build and run than a mill, silent, can be ventilated outside with a 10$ fan, has less kerf than a band saw, can cut 21mm plywood in a single pass, has no tool wear, requires no workpiece holding , is way faster than a mill and with a software my 5yo can operate. I got one with a work area of 200cm x 300cm for 2000 USD,

I have a CNC Router which I built myself and have been using for at least 6 years for all kinds of things and all kinds of wood. I disagree with most of what you say! You can’t beat the accuracy and ease of making complete projects or components for projects. Perhaps you should actually try it before simply create an opinion based on pictures off the internet. Mine is completely enclosed (no dust and little noise) with ball screws for axis movement and a full size Bosch router.

looking at purchasing the same lathe, for an additional $100 i can get the brush less motor version , in your opinion is it worth it, P.S also a wood worker looking to do similar around the shop repairs and metal work on the lathe(hobbyist)

Hopefully you told them about the wonder fastener that is drywall screws! Clueless.

using a cnc machine switches the focus of the manufacturing process to parameter based control; instead of going by what feels right, you're going by what the numbers say is right. this also allows you to tightly control the outcome with little variance, even for different parts, given you're using the same material. in my case i also find it easier to control the outcome for other reasons; i might mess something up because i made an brain error halfway through the process due to a dimension that i interpreted incorrectly, while doing it with a cnc machine gives me time to look at the cam, the simulations etc., but these are personal problems. it also makes a lot more sense to have a cnc machine for metal machining (which you already mention in the comments) given that a manual version of the process probably involves the same machines, but they're automated instead of manual

Because you like wanking handles ?

A rare time when I could not disagree more with you. First, I too am a Mechanical Engineer, retired. I have a workshop that has thanks to my wife a fairly large number of GOOD tools at my disposal. The CNC is just another tool... I never expected it to replace my Sawstop PCS with an "L" fence to for cutting out repeatable pattern cuts. Comparing the "inexpensive hobby" CNC to a $3K CNC is like comparing a $159 Amazon table saw to a Sawstop, old delta etc. (No bloody tablesaw pics, included in your pitch?) My 3HP router will happily cut through 3/4 Baltic Birch in ONE pass with a 3/8 end mill. Does that skill make it right for the job ... not always. But if I have 10 sides (5 cabinets) of a shop cabinet to cut, plus 20 holes to drill for the shelves ... With the CNC I have ONE setup to do with each side, and NO layouts. Making one or two of and item can be "fun" to build, but by number three or four it stops being fun. As far as material is concerned, I am using a lot of quarter sawn white oak. Nominal 3/4" I rough it out in 2-3 passes and then do a full length cut of 0.02" which gives me a finish that require light sanding with 150 grit. Remarkably all the parts look the same. So yes, I routinely use my CNC when I make "fine" furniture. (I never really consider anything I make "fine" ... I know where the mistakes are) For CAD and CAM I am using FreeCAD. Version 1.0 finally released this month. Using CAD I was able to create out of hard maple a cookie mold in the shape of the "Episcopal shield" a full 3D model... I then made 8 identical parts that only required hitting them with a wire brush for finishing. The bishop got to take one home with her. By the way the CNC used to make the gear, would have done a much better job on Aluminum. It is all about Feeds & Speeds... I would not use a Haas milling machine on Maple or Steel on 3Hp 20K rpm router. Oh, and FreeCAD has a free gear plug in too... that will let you mill in wood, plastic and metal... and it will let you 3D print one also. Have your friend check out FreeCAD, it doesn't have the license constraints of AutoCad (FUSION) Like all tools CNC's take time to learn and understand ... I am on that journey with SO many of my tools. Please consider this a respectful counter point.

This is one of best video. Many thanks.

I think there is a very fine line between making something and assembling a kit when a CNC is used.

Du älte güille pumpe 😉😉

Great video! Thanks for putting in the effort - it confirms a lot of what I was surmising.

Grüße aus Japan

3D printer is where it’s at!

Solltest du nochmal nach Deutschland kommen dann kündige das ruhig an. Oder vielleicht machen die ja einen Livestream mit dir. Ich würde mir gerne einen Vortrag von meinen #1 Holzwerker (wieder) anhören. 👍🏻

Hallo Matthias, danke für das interessante Video auf Deutsch. Der Trip zu Holzwerk hat sich bestimmt doch gelohnt, allein schon für dieses Video! ✌🏼😉

CNC ist ja nicht nur Fräse, mit den modernen Lasercuttern lassen sich viele Nachteile des Fräsens vermeiden. Abschreckend für mich ist der hohe Platzbedarf, der große Aufwand, das System einzurichten und am Leben zu halten, sowie die notwendige Distanz zwischen Computer und Werkstatt. Und natürlich nutzt es mir gar nichts, wenn ich auf der Baustelle ein bestimmtes Teil brauche. Aber faszinierend ist es schon, was da heute selbst im Hobbybereich geht. Gerade für Modellbau oder Kleinserie unschlagbar.

I wonder what is the difference between both of those screw pitches. Can you tell us?

Der Dialekt passt garnicht zu Matthias, der sonst immer so deutliches Englisch spricht 😂

Матиас вы великолепны!)

What is the other talk? I'll watch it