As long as the internals are not too beat-up, you should be able to resurrect it with another $100 or so in parts. If nothing else, you have an excuse to buy a nicer example and use the $100 thrashed one as a parts bin to keep the good one running. Great project guns when you find them needing a little TLC and they are not too far gone. Thanks for watching and the comment. God Bless! - Drake

It depends... When you state that it won't cycle with steel, what do you mean? Does it fail to extract? Does it Fail to Eject? Does it fail to feed? Is it failing to feed from the magazine, or partially feeding and locking the action open? The more information you can provide the better I can assist you. If it is only occurring with steel shot loads, this is most likely an action spring issue (if not related to the piston seal and gas volume to the action. The action can be over-gassed or under-gassed, so determining which it is will be the only way to access if you need an action spring with less or greater tension. For feeding issues If it is not feeding onto the lifter at all, this is an over-tension issue with the magazine spring and tension has to be reduced. if it is partially feeding onto the lifter, this is an under-tension issue and the magazine spring tension has to be increased. If you are experiencing failures to extract (and eject), then there may not be a spring issue at all and it is in fact due to a dirty and or rough chamber. Cleaning, honing, and polishing will remediate these issues, 9 out of 10 times. Be sure to examine your extractor as well for damage or wear.

@ okay I greatly appreciate the info. I’ve used it on one hunt and it fired and ejected great. It just failed to extract the next shell from the tube. Do you think a less tension magazine spring would do the trick?

I have a heavier recoil spring in the gun but based on what your saying I believe I need a lighter tension Magazine spring

@@frozenrogue907 it has not occurred again and I have not been able to replicate it with dry fire or manual cycling of the action. The best I can reason at this point is that a bit of debris may have impeded the function of the trigger group and caused the sear disconnect slip.

I had malfunctions with my Tisas Raider magazine. I ordered some of the KCI mags yo try. They're inexpensive hope they work well.

@ sorry to hear that. These Tisas 1911’s come in at a price point, feature set, and fit and finish level that is extremely attractive, but some of them have fleas. It seems a little bit of tinkering may be required to get them to run 100%. I selected the Tripp Research Cobra Mags for the Night Stalker, and one Rock Island mag as a spare 8 rounder. If you have trouble with your new KCI mags, fully evaluate the malfunctions you are having and check on the extractor tension, bolt face, and the small ramp on the underside of the slide where it rides over the sear disconnect. If the extractor tension and profile is too high, or the profile is too shallow and sharp on that small ramp just under the breach face, failures to feed and go into battery will occur. These aren’t mag issues, but parts issues that can be easily resolved. Thanks for watching and the comment! - Drake

@AmericanArmsChannel Thank you. I'm going to start testing when I get home this afternoon if there's enough daylight left.

@@christurner8255 good luck! Please report back on what you find!

@AmericanArmsChannel Will do.

No, not technically. A couple of shots won’t hurt you, but a suppressed AR with a supersonic load/cartridge will not be hearing safe. It is a heck of a lot better than without it, though!

Don't own one... But a great and classic choice! My father loves his .270 Win.

Never destroy nothing that outside distant pull... That's what we're doing here, creating cryptic messages... right? LOL - I'm not sure what you were trying to say but this both made me laugh and gave me a brain aneurism.

I will have to place this double on a scale. The BPS 10 with a 30" barrel and synthetic buttstock is right about 11.5lbs. This double feels like its just over 10lbs. BUT, I will weight it to confirm. Can't speak for the Berretta, but I'd love to handle one someday. The Ithaca's seem to have been a bit lighter for a Magnum 10, but the one I handled was right around 10.5lbs, if my memory serves.

@@AmericanArmsChannel i have the early 90s engraved bps and 2014 camo one also . have some no name spanish sxs with heavy engraving and its just as heavy as bps will check again. berreta im sure its light , talking about ithaca sxs (they go for 8k)and pretty sure its light like beretta , there is also remington sxs that might be light(there are other ndoubles in 10ga)

@ Good notes. Your user name is “Tug Hill”… do you hale from the Tug? Montague, NY area? I know the place well (from outside Oswego and my family had land off Edic Creek that we used to camp and hunt on…).

i wish , im more down state just above the concrete jungle!! been going to tug about 25 years every winter and some in fall to hunt hare and grouse a few times a year for a couple days trips - its heaven on earth for me !!! mostly use a vey light customized 16ga sxs ithaca thats very special to me, have some very nice light pumps in 16ga and bunch other sxs that i try to use there !! hunt mostly around highmarket area above constableville but end up all over western tug and some time at fort drum area!! used to do some september grouse and deer bowhunting but that place is a jungle in early season with out snow-snow has been very sparse lately , best when very deep powder with high base for grouse and hare ,than the work starts with snow shoes!!! originally hale from zastava pap land!!!btw there are some zastava sxs around the states its a well bult basic sxs thats built exactly like the merkel or sauer- when the germans left after ww2 they left all the machines and factories behind them and thats how it all sterted!!

@Tughill1699 excellent! Thanks for sharing and the info. I love the Tug as well. Very special place for me. Great place all around, but the winters are usually harsh. I’ve seen the zastava doubles, but never been in the market for one. I’d love a clean 16ga example. Great cartridge.

I’m glad to hear your example is working correctly. How many different loadings have you used and what’s the round count so far? SDS Imports very well may service it, but all in all, the issues have been so minor and user serviceable, I don’t want to deal with their warranty. When I had need for replacement optics rail screws for an AKSA S4, I contacted their warranty service. Instead of confirming the issue with me and the video/pictures I had of the issue (which was a factory defect), they told me to send the whole firearm in… over 4 non-critical screws. They wouldn’t send me the parts I needed. That was a red flag to me of “lights are on, nobody’s home”. I can fix most things myself, so that is what I am doing in this instance.

@@farmerchad62 thanks! I don’t know where my notebook with load info on 25-45 and Superformance powder has gone, but I found it too slow for anything lighter than 100gr. If I recall correctly, and that is a big IF… with 100gr ProHunters the starting charge was around 20gr. I THINK I was hitting 25gr and getting a compressed load with it. I will have to go to the bench and see for sure if I can’t find my notebook with my 25-45 notes, but I do know it is a full case at 45+ grains on Starline and Hornady 6.5 creedmoor brass, so that seems correct in my mind.

No, I have not been able to shoot it since the recording and posting of this video (as of 1/08/25). I do plan on running up the round count significantly as soon as I possibly can. My plan is to get past the 500 round mark soon, and eventually 1000 rounds. I may be replacing the extractor with American made one sometime soon. I will provide full details and updates on the pistol as I can. As of right now, it is not good to go out of the box and it does not like S&B factory ammo. It is unfortunate, but that’s what you get some times when you’re dealing with these value brands from Turkey. I think the base gun is exceptional from a project gun standpoint and offers a lot of features that you cannot get in an American made 1911. But, those are the things you need to know before you consider purchasing something like this. I took a gamble, and I’m comfortable working on it to make it dead ass reliable. However, this is not something that I recommend for someone looking for good to go out of the box.

​@@AmericanArmsChannel I will keep watching for more updates. I currently have an out of the box, Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 4" 10MM w FTF issues. I knew the issues before I purchased it, ordered stronger mag springs and 22lb recoil spring. Still having FTF issues. My last ditch is a 24 lb recoil spring that's on the way which I've been assured will fix it. I'm ready to switch platforms which led me here.

@@jeffwheeler3427 maybe so, maybe not… did you see the hunt at the end of the video? Seemed to be just a fine amount of medicine in the end. Just because the bore is larger doesn’t mean it’s too much. It’s all about the payload and pattern. One could say .410 bore or 28ga are too little… but they work just fine, don’t they? No reason a 10 with an appropriate upland load can’t work just fine as well. Something lost on many is that once upon a time 16 bore was considered a “small” bore in North America and 12 and 10 bores were dominant for wild fowlers and most common folk. It’s about the payload, not the bore size.

Yes, I believe they offer a complete “gunsmith’s set” as well as an Auto-5 specific set. At this point, I should invest in filing my tool chest with a set… but, I get by grinding replaceable bits to the size and shape needed. Redneck, but effective. Thanks for watching and the comment! - Drake

Maybe that’s what this one had!

That particular sling from Midway USA utilizes screw and grommet type hardware, so yes, you could replace it with an Mlok pattern swivel if you so desired. All sling models are different, so there isn't really a generality of what hardware will be used. If you need something specific, your best bet is to have it custom made. I hope this helps. - Drake

What an incredibly ignorant comment. Are you trolling, or are you smooth brained? Please elaborate on how lack of lubricant causes peening and galling to a bolt carrier and gas piston… there is no amount of cleaning or lubrication that would have prevented the failures the example I had purchased experienced. I’m glad you have an example that works, but don’t attach that to your ego. Sometimes, bad products just have to be called out for what they are.

@@michaelhill6451 it was selected by seating to the cannelure and crimping it. Lol. Seating to that depth was perfect for reliable feeding in the Magpul magazines and provided sufficient case fill. The first and foremost focus with the load was to achieve a 1,040-1,080 FPS subsonic loading using WST. I was not concerned with optimizing OAL for accuracy at the time.

@@AmericanArmsChannelThis may sound like a newbie question but what is considered sufficient case fill? What brass did you use?

Sufficient case fill is 50%+. The amount of space the bullet and the powder take up in the case is the factor to consider when creating any case/powder/bullet combination. These loads were created using Hornady brass. If you do not have sufficient case fill, you will experience inconsistent ignition and pressures.

@@AmericanArmsChannel That's interesting because, according to my calculations, even with Lapua brass, which is relatively low volume (~1 grain H2O less volume than Hornady brass), you'd be getting less than 50% case fill with anything under ~12.2 grains of WST, assuming you seat to the midpoint of the cannelure.

You are correct, and that explains why the velocities were somewhat erratic on this load. 50%+ is ideal, but if you don’t have the right bullet and powder combination then there will be some issues. I can’t get my hands on Trail Boss, and WST was the closest thing to it. A filler of some sort would most likely help, but I am ignorant of what that looks like and how to go about it (I need to research it). This load was created for fun and just to see what I could accomplish. Below 8gr of WST erratic ignition was a problem. 9-10gr seemed to be about the best, but 11+ pushed well above subsonic into the 1,200-1,400 FPS range.

I absolutely would if I had an example of one. If it “fell apart” it’s probably in a state of disrepair and needs attention or to be retired. Look up videos on the Steven’s Model 520 and 620. Both are very similar to the Model 200 and should get you close to what you need.

@AmericanArmsChannel My wife and I went on a cleaning spree.... when she picked it up out of the safe..... the barrel came off..... but I managed to put it back together...... but I won't fire it til I know for sure. It's tight as it should be..... no wobbles in any part of the weapon. It would be really nice to get a full video breakdown of it....

@AmericanArmsChannel I will watch those a little more closer.... I know the 200 20 gauge has a lot of moving parts in it.

Thanks for watching and the comment! - Drake

sounds like a good combination... but is the eye relief enough? I thought the prism pattern optics requires close eye relief? Thanks for watching and the comment. - Drake

Maybe... definitely not good-to-go out of the box, and that is a problem. Two items in its way to success are installation of a proper extractor and the fact they cerakote finished the breach face (dumb idea). Misses that are strange since they got everything else on the pistol correct and fit and finish is otherwise near-perfect. Thanks for watching. - Drake

I'm considering it seeing how a good extractor specific to 40S&W/10mm is only $40 or so... But that still may need to be fitted and the tension tweaked. I am suspecting that they either ran out of 10mm extractors and threw in 9mm/38Super extractors on a production run, or someone pulled the wrong parts bin and didn't know it. With the exception of the extractor issue and the breach face having cerakote, the pistol is actually extremely well built and finished. All things being equal, I'm impressed with everything at the price point, except the reliability out of the box. So close, but no cigar if you aren't looking for a small project gun. - Drake

The 10ga is in fact much more versatile than it is given credit for. Although, you do have to handload to get the best performance and greatest flexibility out of the cartridge. I love the Mighty 10 and have just about hung up all of my 12's. I take the 28ga until they stop coming close consistently, then the 10 eats! Thanks for watching and the comment. God Bless. - Drake

Nostalgic? In some ways, I suppose. I would say I prefer it over other gauges for its purpose. For the most part, I don’t shoot my 12’s anymore; I either use the 28 or the 10. Using a 10ga is more about better patterns with higher payloads of bigger pellets. You can get close to what a 10 can do with a 12, but to truly match it you have to over-bore the barrel to 11 or 10ga dimensions and utilize an equivalent choke design. Then, you still will not be able to achieve the same payload/pattern density with the same shot as a true 10 either. Then 12 has its place, and a 12 Supermag can be of use, but most of the work a 12 will do will be from 10-50(ish) yards, where a quality 10ga load and gun combo can consistently live and excel in the 40-70 yard range. Additionally, the 10 can be “loaded-down” for closer range use and still have higher payloads of bigger shot than most 12ga loads. That’s the reasoning for and use case of the 10ga.

Thanks for the kind words, comment, and watching! Glad you enjoyed the intro; I had fun making it. God Bless. - Drake