That's ever card every existed , depending on how you look at the game OR your play style really" a hand trap on a glass cannon deck kills the whole game too

@@briandukes5721 Not really. Cards liks D Shifter can shut an entire turn when you depend on graveyard to play. A handtrap like ash can stop u if u dont have anything else to play but cards like shifter or droll or G puppet with lingering effects can kill u

No? They only create nongames. Rouge-decks also suck under these floodgates, while most of the time not having the space to play enough outs. Tell me, how plays marincess under TCBOO or how plays any rouge deck under antispell?

rogue decks suffer to those said floodgates when used against them so your argument doesnt make sense, its like saying Maxx c is fair card to use in rogue decks because it makes them 'keep up the competition' while in reality it doesnt change anything because that gap still remains massive when those meta decks will play that same card!

Yup u right

Tenpai doesn’t exist now without mulcharmies so it’s not budget anymore

@@Ff-kj7sl You can absolutely play it without. People did for months and it was still good then.....

@@Ff-kj7sl tenpai still exists brother, just you play more handtraps\boardbreakers then mulcharmy. is it recommended to play mulcharmy? yes. is it mandatory? no.

@ u can play without charmies at locals. I doubt u can play without them at big events

Literally if all the cards got hit to one it would still survive. Its a deck that is so linear and so hit or miss that you would just run more hand traps and board breakers till you saw any of your dragons

U said this based on nothing. 💩 for brains

Why don't u make a list then parasite 😂

well what would your prediction be?

Ur crazy

Nah

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Great points, I would only strengthen your Bonfire indecision tbh , for the same reason as terraforming. Hitting Bonfire hurts breakers sale value since its used in ryz. It would be a more profitable option for konami to leave it alone. Poplar also isn’t the problem - berge is like you said -Lastly Bonfire isn’t like rota (that deserves a limit) in the sense that pyro isn’t a generic overwhelming card type with endless options past and future like warrior. Same concept as to why a card like Allure survived and or if a “Dragon” generic searcher existed would deserve a limit/ban due to past and future cards.

@@justaperson4866 Yeah. I don't think they will hit Bonfire this banlist for your stated reasons. I am only stating it as a possibility because of how RC just reprinting it and Konami shortly after hits the cards in the ban list. That's really the only reason for at least Bonfire. Most likely the one after the December banlist, it would get hit to 1 or 2. Wanted for sure is going to 1, it had a long enough period of time at 3 and the RC reprint is going to push the card to going to 1 in the next list. Also, Deceptions has pushed the Sinful Spoil engine to being too good now with the inclusion of the Azamina fusions.

@@voidlockdragon1406 Couldn’t agree more about wanted. I only wonder if Ryzeal and malice and breakers sell enough for konami.. and it makes them enough money, along with the new decks power creep (like we all anticipate it to) and enough players have them - Is any ban necessary? Id guess over half of the player base has never even gotten to experience SE and wanted azamina and witch in person until RC (only through videos) and Id say most people arent tired of it by a long shot and could make konami a lot of money in Q1 Plus with the success of bonanza : for them to ban everything directly after release would set a precedent for future sales and potential rebuyers to the new sets and would destroy what they are seeing as a clear winner in the market ; profit wise and demand wise.

@@justaperson4866 After the first RC, with Baronne ban after finally getting an affordable copy of the card was a huge sting for me. It just means once a big reprint set happens, Konami is fine hitting the cards in a ban list. Since they got the money from the reprints by selling that product, they will hit the reprinted cards in a ban list, to sell the new cards they have in the pipeline. It's been like this all the time, but usually there would be longer periods of time before they would resort to putting reprinted cards into a banlist, usually a year for a generic good card reprint. Reprinted from RC1 Baronne didn't get to last 6 months before it went to the ban list and will probably never return in TCG. The Breakers set is going to sell a lot. It features 2 meta based archetypes so opening a box is going to get you a good deal of building these 2 archetypes. Since 9/10 of the ultras are from Raziel and Maliss, it's going to be fine for most people to buy a box or 2, get some of either archetype, then buy singles for the rest. It's a pretty safe box to open, since you are going to get the meta cards, and a box has 4 ultras plus a chance for qcr or collector's rare so if you were a seller, you can potentially get your money back or even profit if you pulled a qcr or collector's of the meta cards. Also, the next core set for TCG will have further support for Raziel and Maliss so it will get stronger. Most competitive players will spend the money and are fine playing either Raziel or Maliss for around 6 months, playing a competitive deck that has a proven track record in OCG.

@@voidlockdragon1406 We really are both reading from the same playbooks haha I hear you loud and clear and agree with you I think breaker will sell well too and why I believe they dont have to worry about the previous top contender decks and archetypes as much as people think And is why I simply believe they can leave them for the players who can afford them now but not ryzeal or maliss ; so they make money both ways. In regards to them previously banning Apo or BDF directly after - goes to the point of “Generic” Compared to “Relevant” Those types of cards have no place openly for any deck to abuse which is why they had to go for future sales and Which is why IP or SP could be hit and I would understand. But cards only “great” during relevancy only hurts konami long term.

phantom to 1 is fair, the only thing that sucks is that its summon aint once per turn, that's broken.