Is Dorsal Vagal Shutdown Normal?
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@misst350
@misst350 Күн бұрын
Tysm! ❤️‍🩹
@Healingbetrayaltrauma
@Healingbetrayaltrauma Күн бұрын
Thank you
@mixedlag
@mixedlag 3 күн бұрын
I love your compassion and that of all the people who contributed to your survey. This was really helpful.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 3 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful, thanks for leaving a comment!
@maheshmangar1450
@maheshmangar1450 5 күн бұрын
Is yoga nidra beneficial for this?
@eileenoconnor391
@eileenoconnor391 7 күн бұрын
Really interesing. Glad I landed here. Thanks Justin. You're website's awsome.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 4 күн бұрын
Glad you landed here too. :) And thanks for the kind words about my website. I put a lot of time and love into it, so the positive feedback means a ton to me.
@heidi32500
@heidi32500 10 күн бұрын
I cry quite a bit. In childhood (during family trauma I was not consciously aware of) I would cry most exclusively when something was funny. I had an kind uncle who would visit and he would whisper in my ear, super-cala-fregulisitic-expe alidocious. I would start laughing and laughing so much I would cry, alot. Family would laugh with me. I was sensitive to funny things, though funny things weren't exactly happening in my family. Fast-forward to adulthood and I cry if I hear a baby cry. ( As a nurse I could never take care of children in my 39 years of nursing career. I think I had only two child patients, one a burned toddler and a school age child with major bone fractured). I cry at moments of human sensitivity. I hear of people who are highly sensitive people, like being in a category of people who are more sensitive to their environment. I think I am such. I wonder how crying in these circumstances compare to your discussion. Is my crying in a supermarket when I hear a crying baby have anything to do with freeze flight?
@EvinFox
@EvinFox 10 күн бұрын
"crying is an action, not a state." I like that. (p.s. I will reach out about joining your next group.)
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 9 күн бұрын
I hope to see you there! The next one starts January 8 at 9am PST. (I'm also working on the next cohort - Stillness to Sympathetic).
@messyfaithandmatcha
@messyfaithandmatcha 11 күн бұрын
I have experienced this!!!! Thank you for explaining this it was the worst experience of my life
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 9 күн бұрын
You're very welcome!
@jennifersamm9784
@jennifersamm9784 16 күн бұрын
Is it normal to just stop feeling? I don't remember the last time I felt, really anything. I just go through the motions. . I'm just beginning to really try to comprehend this stuff. I've been stuck like this for years and I'm struggling really, really bad.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 11 күн бұрын
I can't say if it's "normal" for you or not, but in general, numbness is a typical experience of shutdown.
@soupreality6389
@soupreality6389 17 күн бұрын
Hi. Is it possible to switch between shutdown and freeze? It feels like this is exactly what I am experiencing. I am fully immobilized in a shutdown yet when I need to get things done I am capable to do these but in a freeze/ machinery state
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 11 күн бұрын
It's possible to fluctuate between the two.
@lauram.838
@lauram.838 6 күн бұрын
Happens often for me
@Grungefan2018
@Grungefan2018 18 күн бұрын
If I could find a safety state I would use it. Already spend an insane amount of time in bed or falling asleep in a recliner watch ing tv trying to visualize pray meditate etc…
@Grungefan2018
@Grungefan2018 18 күн бұрын
I am shut down cut off and probably broken. Although being broken come with embarrassment but it is natural for everyone to have a breaking point. I don’t know what to do . 61 totally isolated cut off from family, no one to call and although there are a couple of really sweet younger friends at work like mid twenties young I wouldn’t call them out of the blue if I had to really talk to someone. I wonder how long a human can go on like this ? I am just doing my time at this point, don’t know if anyone can relate to that last statement or any of air actually. Thanks for listening 😊
@iam2038
@iam2038 18 күн бұрын
I started therapy, which kicked my feelings back into gear talking about my trauma. Then I was anxious. Biggest improvement uve ever had…taking NAC supplement! Such a big help. I cannot take antidepressants. Bad side effects. Taking 1,000-2,000mg N Acetyl Cysteine for a month has helped so much. I don’t feel depressed or thinking too much. It decreased it a lot. Still working on it. But I’m not feeling the suffering feeling anymore. Just took the edge off. I still have to do the work to balance things.
@ashman167
@ashman167 19 күн бұрын
oh bloody hell, that is so me, not from sexual abuse, its from childhood stuff. Looking for how to move through it.
@Mary-yl7wb
@Mary-yl7wb 20 күн бұрын
Anyone know if this is what the understimulated adhd is? I was diagnosed with adhd since I was 7 when they noticed I acted like a zombie and wouldn’t speak or focus.
@Sunshine-hv1eu
@Sunshine-hv1eu 24 күн бұрын
Thank you Justin! Your unpacking of Polyvagal theory has been empowering and transformative. I’ve been in shutdown for several years. You make this accessible and easy to assimilate. I’m enjoying your book Stuck Not Broken 1, and looking forward to 2 & 3. Recently, I went to your website and discovered the free lessons on Polyvagal Theory. I love the clarity and orderly layout of concepts and supported studies that guide us through layered learning. You make an otherwise difficult and complex theory into easy to digest and apply. Thank God I found you. I’m finally seeing the way out of this cave.❤
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 17 күн бұрын
yay!
@polishprincess8469
@polishprincess8469 8 күн бұрын
@@Sunshine-hv1eu I’m glad I read your comment as I too have been in a shutdown mode since late 2017. I’ve been diagnosed with depression and anxiety for many years have had ups and downs with both but with this shutdown it has been like nothing else I’ve ever dealt with and can’t seem to break out of it. Yes it scares me being stuck in this for so long, another thing I don’t know if it relates or not but I have a hard time crying even when my Mum died also with my brothers unexpected death and when my Father passed away. Initially with Dad and brother I cried very hard and was really sad but at the funeral home and through all of that I didn’t cry it made me feel like there was something wrong with me. I’m glad I found this video on KZbin and feel excited to explore and get into my getting out of this. Thank you Sunshine
@emilym7251
@emilym7251 25 күн бұрын
Ok wait what is the tense stiffening then? The step before complete shutdown like this?
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 17 күн бұрын
Tense stiffening would be freeze.
@saharnavah7244
@saharnavah7244 26 күн бұрын
ive been in complete dorsal vagal shutdown for more than19 month😭i just cant get out of it ive been stuck so bad tried many anti depressants but nothing has worked so far..i would give my everything to get heal and feel connected again.ive been experiencing severe dissociation ,disconnection from my body,from my surrounding and my emotions😢😢😢
@ianmacrae5696
@ianmacrae5696 29 күн бұрын
Very helpful Justin. I had your video passed on to me by my counsellor. I was doing some amends and realized my clinical depression of 2016 had not been fully processed, and I still had fear over this event. So with you putting it into evolutionary terms I found this quite helpful. I was interested in your ‘coming out’ suggestions too. For me, aside from a safe environment, rest, diet, and natural light, I found full body scan meditations provided me with relief. Thanks again, great video and presentation.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT 26 күн бұрын
You’re welcome. Thank your counselor for me if you don’t mind. 😊🙏
@ianmacrae5696
@ianmacrae5696 12 күн бұрын
@@JustinLMFT I have done that, thanks again!
@annie5084
@annie5084 Ай бұрын
I was diagnosed with adhd and when I take medication for it I am able to be more aware of my body, when I don’t take it I can’t concentrate for long enough on my body to make much progress and it’s usually very frustrating. I feel way too zoned out and like my brain can barely work for long enough to even feel what’s going on. But the medication makes me feel calmer more connected and I can concentrate on how my body feels. But weirdly it can also make it harder to sleep. I already struggle with insomnia whenever I try to work on this stuff. I’m not sure what this is all about and most doctors have no clue.
@annie5084
@annie5084 Ай бұрын
I was diagnosed with adhd and when I take medication for it I am able to be more aware of my body, when I don’t take it I can’t concentrate for long enough on my body to make much progress and it’s usually very frustrating. I feel way too zoned out and like my brain can barely work for long enough to even feel what’s going on. But the medication makes me feel calmer more connected and I can concentrate on how my body feels. I’m not sure what this is all about and most doctors have no clue.
@tarakadir9259
@tarakadir9259 Ай бұрын
❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
@tinieblasabismos9859
@tinieblasabismos9859 Ай бұрын
_hi bruh 🫂, they got me pretty damn screwed around here..and renown doctors and their therapists don't seem to be interested in giving me any good medicine for my traumas, stress, anxiety, depression, nervousness etc...more than 4 years i have told them about the hell im going through but its like im talking to hateful clowns, thank you very much for your videos justin! 🤜🏼🤛🏼_
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
You're very welcome, bruh. :)
@wynnssecret8243
@wynnssecret8243 Ай бұрын
Run......and keep running.......and never ever come back 🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃
@theteacherprint
@theteacherprint Ай бұрын
🫂
@Zayna2025
@Zayna2025 Ай бұрын
I just heard an other Video of the dorsal state. Its saying its also possible to go directly to safety again.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
There's more nuance than this. Yes, it's possible to access the safety state from shutdown, but to relieve a stuck shutdown state, one needs to climb the entire Polyvagal ladder. We can have moments of safety, but the baseline of shutdown persists until the entire process of self-regulation unfolds. After fuller self-regulation, one will have an even deeper safety baseline, not just moments.
@VivianColleen
@VivianColleen Ай бұрын
Please fucking explain this to everyone who works with trauma justin. Almost angry now that so many "helpers" unintentionally "gaslit" me about this dorsal vagal state i was in. Hey, im going back up into fight or flight! Nice! Lol 😂
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
I'm doing my fucking best lol! Thanks for the comment and the smile. :)
@juliesmith4539
@juliesmith4539 Ай бұрын
I'm confused because I feel like I'm shut down most of the time but at the same time I have my brain saying you can't cope with this so just stay calm and don't let anything get to you
@globalheartwarming
@globalheartwarming Ай бұрын
🫂
@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl
@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl Ай бұрын
Dissociating and being alone. Shut down. I am learning to find my anger in a safe space with my psychiatrist and EMDR. It's scary to feel a feeling you have not been allowed to feel all your life but I practice using the anger in a healthy way. To recognize when my boundaries have been overstepped and I need to do something about it or when I want to change something
@VivianColleen
@VivianColleen Ай бұрын
Jesus Christ thank you Justin. Im in these freezes constantly and the clarifications you just gave are massively empowering... and not in a stupid corny "therapy" way. In the realest way
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
There's no statistics - Jesus just told them
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
Get rid of my posts asap
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
We don't want the abusers to know we know
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
All our mamas in fawn If u alive your mama in fawn
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
I'm educating the whole world - sorry Jesus educated the whole world in his hands Love Ya 😘 Jesus Rules the Role
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
You need to add the 5th F FU Stockholm syndrome I lived as octopus my whole childhood - once in a while 💕 in the fawns - for teachers. See octopus movie to understand how us octopus pusses role lol lol lol
@jays_vids
@jays_vids Ай бұрын
You don't state how to move out of shutdown here. Just accepting/giving into it seems like a good way of staying in it?
@md.allchemy
@md.allchemy Ай бұрын
I beg of you - don't try to do it on your own, find the best chiropractor in the area and start there. It's great he's giving tools, living mindfully and so on - but to do it with someone who has knowledge and experience (and their own tools) can help you shift immensly much quicker. I tried to put myself out of suicidal ideation for months (adhd, depression, tinnitus) and once I started working with another person the clouds started to lift. I recommend the same way.
@fist-so-big77
@fist-so-big77 Ай бұрын
Your video was very helpful. And it makes alot of sense. I just started therapy a month ago. I am work in progress. Also, GO DETROIT LIONS. lol
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful, thanks for leaving a comment. And check back in with me during the playoffs lol.
@fist-so-big77
@fist-so-big77 Ай бұрын
@JustinLMFT sure will. If u make the playoffs. Lol
@annamarsch6091
@annamarsch6091 Ай бұрын
This was very helpful, thank you.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@tmking7483
@tmking7483 Ай бұрын
Finally the doctors are understanding how men create Stockholm syndrome in their wife and children. Thankyou Jesus
@節穴の目をした人
@節穴の目をした人 Ай бұрын
“Allow the shutdown mindfully“ That’s what I really need to do.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
Not easy, but possible. Good luck!
@annamarsch6091
@annamarsch6091 Ай бұрын
Fawning and appeasing are behaviours , not states, the dont really have their unique siganture/ pattern of ans. It is and will be a challenge to differentiate between mixed states and behaviours. In the end its just a question of definition.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@shaz_66
@shaz_66 Ай бұрын
Thank you for all your videos, Justin. This type of video, that is a clip, where the context is missing are not as helpful.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
I appreciate the feedback and will keep that in mind as I use clips in the future. Seriously, thanks for the honest criticism!
@hejdaphne
@hejdaphne Ай бұрын
except your videos are not labelled by number so it is hard to find which ones are you referring to with 101 to 109.
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
there's a link in the description to the series! :)
@Heidi-xm6li
@Heidi-xm6li Ай бұрын
these videos are very helpful thank you
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
You're very welcome!
@Rodmic-hd9pn
@Rodmic-hd9pn Ай бұрын
I had it 2 summers ago and my daughter will never forgive me for not being around. She will never accept this as an excuse.I feel I had it for sure. U wish she look it up😢
@tabithashayla
@tabithashayla Ай бұрын
Wow now i know what im going through.😢
@radfaraf
@radfaraf Ай бұрын
The commenter seems like someone who is lucky enough not to be in freeze squad, but possibly always angry and unpleasant because of it lol.
@yllwhrn
@yllwhrn Ай бұрын
That’s me right now listening to this. Hopefully I can change
@JustinLMFT
@JustinLMFT Ай бұрын
You got this.