Your tensioner doesn't have much wear at all .but, since you're that that far...might as well change them out. I recommend. Cyco parts and gaskets
@rogereastman31877 ай бұрын
Make sure you don't have adjustable push rods...if you do .you don't need to pull the tank and the valve covers
@jerryanderson9180 Жыл бұрын
How do you take the chrome caps off?
@jerryanderson9180 Жыл бұрын
The ones sitting on top of the fork lower leg do you need a certain tool does it screw on?
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
@@jerryanderson9180 from memory, small brass drift between fork lower and cap, tap them upwards. They're a press fit.
@jahmic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Thinking about buying one and wanted to see how involved the clearance check is on this model.
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
It's nice to know that I may have helped you. Thank you for watching and the comments. Regards PB
@waltercheeks5309 Жыл бұрын
What did you make that tool out of?
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
Hi, the first tool was just a piece of steel machined to suit with a 16mm nut welded on. Turned out to be completely over the top and there are numerous alternatives shown on the many other videos on KZbin. The second was made from a piece of nylon block. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
@scatpack440 Жыл бұрын
Must be amazing to have the skills to make all these adjusting tools to ensure you are probably more accurate than any dealer could claim to be. Great video. Cheers! Would love to have access to a these PRACTICAL engineered tools!
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really enjoy sorting problems out and in my mind, improving things as I go. Thanks for watching. Regards PB
@simplylegit1169 Жыл бұрын
You are the man
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Regards PB
@LOVE-JC777 Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic tensioners also wears off.
@lefofanek Жыл бұрын
I’m starting to think that I made a mistake by purchasing the thunderbird… don’t get me wrong, it rides very nicely but getting parts here in South Africa and services is a nightmare. Thinking of trading it for a Suzuki M109
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
I sold the Thunderbird in 2017. It got me into the cruiser scene but I moved over to Harley and have never regretted it. Doing anything on the Thunderbird was always awkward bordering on the difficult. Hope you find what you're looking for!. Regards PB
@rogertaylor1280 Жыл бұрын
Could you please let me know what the diameters of the plugs or buttons are that you made to fit inside the spindles.
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
Hi Roger, sorry but I sold the Thunderbird in 2017. Unfortunately I have no way to verify that parts I have in the shop are actually for the bike. Regards PB
@rogertaylor1280 Жыл бұрын
@@paulbuckberry7683 Hello Paul, thanks for your reply. I was just hoping to save myself a step as I now have to remove the silencers on my Thunderbird and measure the inside diameter of the spindles. Getting lazy in my old age.
@paulbuckberry7683 Жыл бұрын
@Roger Taylor No worries Roger, I remember struggling with taking silencers on and off. Could never get the joint cover piece right without it digging into the chrome on the silencer. All the best. PB
@rogertaylor1280 Жыл бұрын
I am going to attempt to find a machine shop that will make the tool you made to align your wheel. It doesn't appear too complicated but it certainly is effective.
@colinrothwell99982 жыл бұрын
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@krzysiekorze90852 жыл бұрын
Nice vids. Thanks a lot. have same problem here with imperial wrenches... they cost like gold ;) Every info is good to be used. I am just going through. Waiting for bearrings puller/installer to be machined. and pump + lifters to arrive Thanks a lot again.
@paulbuckberry76832 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting. Hope all goes well for you. Regards PB
@garywhiteman87982 жыл бұрын
Hi My Dyna has 16000 should I get them checked? Is there a average mileage? Cheers Gary
@paulbuckberry76832 жыл бұрын
Hi Gary, firstly, what year is your Dyna? I'm fairly sure that anything above the 88, so 96 cu.in. onwards has hydraulic tensioners as standard, so less of a problem area I believe. If you can't do it yourself, find a dealer or independant guy you can trust and discuss it with them. The cost of checking could well be a lot less than the cost of failure. Best regards PB
@garywhiteman87982 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuckberry7683 hi Paul It’s a 2005
@paulbuckberry76832 жыл бұрын
@@garywhiteman8798 trouble is Gary, I'd say have a look and then someone will shoot me down and say they've got 50k on theirs no problems. Can you do it yourself?? PB
@garywhiteman87982 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuckberry7683 bit above me I think but never mind , I will check them
@paulbuckberry76832 жыл бұрын
@@garywhiteman8798 wish I could be of more assistance Gary. Good luck!! PB
@michaelfullard81682 жыл бұрын
Hi , im interested to shorten my suspension a little being an ex mechanic im ok doing stuff but its a delicate balance i need to get the right results , i need about half inch on the back and 3/4 2 on the front to try . it rides very good lean angle good so its all about how to trade off one for the other ! ...do you have any guidence or comments ...
@paulbuckberry76832 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, I'm afraid I can't help with that. You might get it on the front by sliding the forks up through the yolks but would suggest that would alter head angle slightly and may affect steering/ handling. Would suggest a discussion with suspension specialists. Regards PB
@SebastianD19772 жыл бұрын
Had the same problem, simple solution was an air impact wrench, did the job
@bezpopisu2 жыл бұрын
hello, anybody willing to help me with 1700 ccm engine camshaft timing?
@PB-yt7bf2 жыл бұрын
Hi Martin, I've been running Harleys since 17, so am a bit rusty on the workings of the Thunderbird. Camshaft timing for me is always the worst part. You need a good manual and follow the process laid out in that. From memory it's about getting the crank locked in the right place and the timing marks on the camshafts aligned in the right place and then releasing the cam chain tensioner. You need a special tool for locking the crankshaft, which is a bugger to get in, if I remember rightly. If you're in any doubt, take it to a dealer. Sorry, probably not much help!! Regards PB
@bezpopisu2 жыл бұрын
@@PB-yt7bf Thanks alot for your reply, last days I found out some more- I knew about the locking pin, but where to put it in? Then I rotated by crank and I found out it´s probably in some "special" ratio in relation crakshaft-middle gear. So after several turns I found out the hole open, not blocked by connection rod or crank weight. So I think now it´s pretty clear to me, I´m just wondering why it is so complicated and to be sincere I´m also in doubt if someone can to construct even more complicated system. Mostly because of need to remove stator - so for the first to remove rotor by puller. Anyway, my friend found out the locking pin measurements somewhere, and it´s d 6mm in 42 mm lenght, then d10mm also in 42 mm lenght, rest about 150mm in d 14mm, but I think diameter and lenght in the last case is not important, because this part is just a handle. Thank you for the advice. Martin
@PB-yt7bf2 жыл бұрын
@@bezpopisu Hi Martin, I think in one of the videos in that series that I did, I listed all the tools I'd made with the dimensions. Be real careful with that locking pin, it's very easy to bend the tip because the end diameter is so ridiculously small. I didn't consider hardening it when I made it due to the amount of use it would get, I'm also not sure whether hardening, would have made it brittle and prone to snap rather than bend. I agree with your thoughts on complexity, by comparison, working on a Harley is far simpler!! Good luck. Regards PB
@bezpopisu2 жыл бұрын
@@PB-yt7bf I see - thank you very much for the dimensions of the locking pin. I absolutely agree with your opinion regarding heat treatment, I will use it also very rarely. I was carefull while putting the pin into the wheel. Thank you for your reply. Martin
@RR-mt2wp3 жыл бұрын
Greatly appreciate your videos, shame Harley allowed it to need doing. Lovely bike.
@PB-yt7bf3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and the comment. Regards PB
@wooddawg48683 жыл бұрын
This cam chain design nearly killed Harley Davidson and put it back in the amc day again. The EVO design with gears was about as good as it good for the technology of the day but the huge primary chain rotating in oil was problematic as well making Harley Davidson motorcycles to labor intensive even for mechanics trained to work on them. Other manufacturers have gear drive primaries, full counter balancing, full liquid cooling and large radiators that keep them running like a car. HD doesn’t change until forced to which brought on the Milwaukee 8.
@RideOp742 жыл бұрын
*AMF
@chadr97913 жыл бұрын
Really wonderful set of videos. Also really great engineering with the making of the tools.
@paulbuckberry76833 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and the kind comments. Regards PB
@bigwu1003 жыл бұрын
You know i hate to hear all the crying about twin cam tensioners. Check them if they are bad replace. Pull the cam plate every other oil change and check them. Ive a twin cam myself and i will be checking mine shortly. A will replace with oem parts no up grade no performance parts. Its a two cylinder engine. You can only expect so much.
@unclemikeb3 жыл бұрын
Some early twin cam engines had cam bearing failure which was bad. Harley installed better bearings the second year and that went away. Using good synthetic oil makes a huge difference in lubrication and the cam shoe life. My 2000 wide glide now has 85,000 on the factory cam shoes. But, I have used amsoil since the second oil change and I change oil and filter at 5,000. I don't hot rod it and the engine seldom is revved higher than 3,000. I knew about the bearing failure but the dealer reassured me mine had the newer bearings. Besides I had the extended warranty so if it blew, I got a free repair. Once It turned over the 50,000 mark I knew It had the good bearings. I only recently learned about the shoes that needed to be replaced! It was part luck but I think mostly the Amsoil, and I don't ride hard. I cracked the cover and I could see the shoe was worn down to the halfway mark. So, I got out the shop manual and I'm tearing into it to replace the shoes.
@pvtpelnar113 жыл бұрын
you are pretty much and engineer, building your own tools is very impressive
@paulbuckberry76833 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and your kind comments. I thoroughly enjoyed the whole project and get a huge amount of satisfaction from making my own tools. Regards PB
@attributetovienna19823 жыл бұрын
And engine ever made with a timing chain has this issue this is nothing new, knocking harley for it is a cheap joke
@thermalreboot3 жыл бұрын
Yes and no, the problem with these cam chain tensioners is they fail at different rates. Some will last 70,000 miles, some won't last 10,000 miles, nobody knows why such a large difference. Upgrading to a different system is the best solution for these.
@davidcook25132 жыл бұрын
@@thermalreboot exactly!
@attributetovienna19823 жыл бұрын
Still more reliable than your UK made junk
@CPerreault3 жыл бұрын
What year is your Deluxe? I have a 2006 Deluxe with 40,000 miles on it now. I've checked my cam chain tensioners at every 10,000 miles. The tensioners are still within the wear limit (less than half of the shoe thickness). I was intending to change them but I figure I have another 10,000 miles before they need changing. It seems that the shoe material was not as resistant from 99' to 02'.
@PB-yt7bf3 жыл бұрын
Hi Claude, mine is a 2005 bike with very low mileage. My understanding at the time I did this, was that the spring tension on the tensioner was too strong and caused excessive wear on the pad until such time that the blade wore away and the tensioner collapsed. The resultant tensioner material blocked oil ways, especially those in the crank cases, that blast a jet up at the under side of the piston. As I say somewhere amongst the videos, I was fortunate enough at the time to have the money around to swap it all out for hydraulic system. I probably over reacted, but that's nothing unusual. I would have thought yours being a 2006 model, already has hydraulic tensioners in it? Thanks for watching PB
@CPerreault3 жыл бұрын
@@PB-yt7bf Mine also has the spring style tensioners but they are still good. I thought the cam chains from 99' to 03' (Not sure of last year) were rougher and tended to saw through the shoe material. But now I rethinking that because your tensioners look more worn at 8,000 miles than mine are at 40,000 miles. I do use Amsoil synth oil and maybe that reduced tensioner wear but who knows! As they say, it's a crap shoot. I'm pretty sure my cam chains are smooth. That would explain the lower wear.
@faridchoucair3 жыл бұрын
This is the most decent mesure system that I have ever seen for Thunderbirds. I just bought that laser tool, but I do not think it will work. You definitely should sell those caps.
@ccollins99813 жыл бұрын
if you don't have the sprocket locking tool all you have to do is push on the back brake while you're torquing them.... When you had the top end apart you should have put rocker lockers in to eliminate rocker arm chatter against the bolts which is an annoying noise we all suffer from.
@Tom-W7TMD3 жыл бұрын
I have this same issue today!
@paulbuckberry76833 жыл бұрын
Oh dear, did you catch it before it caused you major issues? Are you fixing yourself?
@Tom-W7TMD3 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuckberry7683 Yes... I got lucky I guess. I'm waiting on parts.
@PB-yt7bf3 жыл бұрын
@@Tom-W7TMD Excellent news, hope all goes well with the rebuild! Regards PB
@yucasola3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed these videos. I have an 03 Fatboy with 33k miles, time to get this done. Thank you.
@PB-yt7bf3 жыл бұрын
Hi Oscar, thank you for watching and the comments. Regards PB
@flashburn35803 жыл бұрын
I see this is older video but all the same great job mate, you are very intuitive.
@paulbuckberry76833 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and for the comments. Regards PB
@robertdmaiden69033 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos,Nice and clear without the music some folks use. my Deuce 02 just coming up to 19,000 genuine miles.So will crack the cam cover in the next few weeks,and check the tensioners.Its a pity we get shafted in the uk for tools etc.Have noticed the screaming eagle bits in sycamore HD,On Ebay. Hope its still working all ok,stay safe.Bob Wolverhampton
@PB-yt7bf3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bob, thanks for the comments. It's 3 years since I did this now and I can't remember whether I said in the video but Sycamore are my local dealer, so I get all of my stuff from them. The bike has run fine since the work was done. Best regards PB
@grizzly10513 жыл бұрын
Do you turn the fuel off before removing the fuel line? If so where is the fuel tap?
@PB-yt7bf3 жыл бұрын
Hi, the fuel system is pressurised once the ignition is turned on and connection to the bottom of the tank is quick release which seals automatically once removed. (There is no fuel tap) If I remember correctly, pick the back end of the fuel tank up and the connector runs parallel to the bottom of the tank. I can't truly remember if there is a return line from the injector system but if there is there will be two connections to the tank somewhere. It's at least five years since I did this and I haven't owned the Thunderbird for three! NOTE: Do Not try this whilst the ignition is switched on and leave it for at least 30 minutes after turning the ignition off. Pull the fuel pump fuse out before attempting to remove the fuel tank. You may still get a small amount of fuel spillage when releasing the connector so make sure you have a rag suitably placed to catch it. Thanks for watching PB.
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
Hi, if you're unable to make your own, then I would suggest Snap On or MAC tools would be your best bet! Regards PB
@ianbouchardmusic72034 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy that torque adapter?
@garymoore34974 жыл бұрын
I pulled my tensioners out ; and threw them away......
@FreeSwimmer4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the concerns about the camchain tensioner shoes. I just uploaded 4 videos of my 2003 TC88 at shop yesterday. I have only 11k original miles, but dont ever want to go through a chain tensioner failure. I had a 2002 TC88 with 57k and still no tensioner fix yet. The bike was very unique, from what Ive learned.. This was before I became aware of the importance of preventing failure.. I checked the crank runout and ordered an S&S 509g complete camchest upgrade. I truly love the Harley motorcycle, and believe with this fixed, the bike should be all good for many years. Everything has ups and downs. This is the crap, however could be much worse. After all, nothing else is a Harley !
@harleydave23164 жыл бұрын
By the way you talked about tappet bleed down and duration of rear cylinder bleeding, I am assuming you didn't find top dead center before tightening rockers? I sure hope I am wrong because you can destroy your valves in a hurry if you don't. There is a definite reason why you don't just tighten rockers without TDC.
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, in all honesty, I can’t remember the detail now, it’s almost three years since I did the work. It seems to run ok! Regards PB
@harleydave23164 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuckberry7683 Ahhh, I didn't see the time stamp on the video. Most of the time youtube only suggests newer vids to watch. Glad it worked out for you. Ride safe!!
@garymoore34974 жыл бұрын
We are going to shoot a KZbin video ; of a twin-cam 88 running with the cam chain tensioners pulled. Then, we are going to look for a Mil-8 motor ; pull the hydraulic tensioners out ; plug the oil feed ; and re-shoot another video of this motor running without those chain tensioners.......
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
Interesting Gary but what results are you looking for?
@garymoore34974 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuckberry7683 ........ results would be to show that a Mil-8 motor can run without cam chain tensioners ; just as my old TC-88 can....
@wooddawg48684 жыл бұрын
If you crack a cam chest open replace with a gear cam kit always and call it a day.
@chrissimmons68024 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul: Have you published a video showing initial strip down of TBird 1600 front forks? I need to replace the (original) oil in my 2010!! Your other videos are great, would just be helpful if you would show the initial breakdown. Many thanks Chris
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, sorry but no. I sold the Thunderbird 3 years ago and moved onto a Harley. Can't quite remember the detail but if there isn't a drain plug on the bottom of the forkleg it'll be a case of dropping the whole fork leg out of the bike, removing the top nut ( watch out for spring tension when you do that) inverting the fork and letting it drain. Thanks for watching! Regards PB
@jameslawhorn1464 жыл бұрын
Always used amsoil if that tells you anything 😉. Upgraded with screaming eagle cam plate stage 2 cams and high volume oil pump
@jameslawhorn1464 жыл бұрын
My twin cam has 94 thousands miles and still going strong with no issues. Tensioners have never been changed and bike has never had any issues but finally decided to have it worked on for shits and giggles lol
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
That's some mileage James. I probably over reacted, but I was fortunate enough
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
That's some mileage James. I probably over reacted, but was fortunate enough at the time to have the money to fit the Screamin Eagle upgrade so just got on and did it. Thanks for watching PB
@kelco22464 жыл бұрын
you are a hero I would never have thought out your methods of repairing the twin cam , thank you sir
@paulbuckberry76834 жыл бұрын
Very kind words sir, thank you!!
@carmelopalmini4 жыл бұрын
I have 38.000million i need change obligatory catain?? End pomp oil. Really you came foe holiday in country 🇮🇹
@carmelopalmini4 жыл бұрын
Very nice. I have one fat boy 2004 yar. We have dream have meccanic egual you in Italy. You came for holiday and you do meccanic. Whot you think for pomp oil fueling, is well??? 😏
@shahnawazvlog62664 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks you
@AboveandBeyondGlobalDrones4 жыл бұрын
If I had Not noticed my Oil Gauge go down to zero and shut the engine off, I would have never known about this problem. I had a shop replace mine and clean out the engine ($1000 Gone) My engine would have blown at 28,000 miles. This is crazy engineering. (2004 FLHTC).
@baneoffsight48714 жыл бұрын
What about placing the fork under compression? Maybe the pressure itself and the spring will stop it from moving. That tool looks proper though!