When I read the event, my heart hurt for Anne. She was really earnest in her gesture and Mariana just blows it off.

Fascinating, well done

Thank you for adding this video. I hadn’t been aware of Anne Lister until Suranne Jones’ wonderful portrayal of her in the tv series “Gentleman Jack”. I’m so intrigued by Anne’s life. I could listen to Helena Whitbread talk all day, her pupils were lucky to have her. I’m just off to buy a copy of her book right now. I’m so glad she had the true northern grit to publish Anne’s diary. I consider myself an ‘ally’ and Helena’s work must have made a tremendous difference in people’s lives 🏳️‍🌈

I've just finished with S2 and i want to know and see more about them but sadly the show has ended i feel so sorry for Ann Walker and to imagine the heartbreaking situation she's in loosing her only lover woww Anne Lister is an amazing woman if she'd only could've lived in this generation

I rather like the way she dresses in the TV show. Nowadays people wouldn't take much notice. Poor women didn't have fancy clothes.

Errors in this interview. Since this interview I have read at insearchofannwalker that this is NOT what actually happened. Ann left willingly, and the door was locked when she left, so in order to retrieve items of Ann's the door had to be removed from its hinges. Again the removal was after Ann had left 'willingly' Shibden. As far as smeared with blood, again not sure where this stemmed from and it is not mentioned as true at insearchofannwalker. I actually have a simple theory about the red stains about the walls, bits of stained fabric. The room was used for a few years before and after Lister died, and the room was draped in dyed red cloth on the walls, ceiling etc... thinking with some logic, those drapes were dyed red, and more than likely were damped cleaned several times by servants over those years with Lister and after Lister's death. Imagine dampness applied, and cold damp air in winter to humid air in summer on to heavily dyed fabric... imagine now that that red dye ended up fading on to the plaster walls behind them - I think any redness noted on walls was merely dye from all the red fabric that had been up for several years since Lister & Walker renovated that room. If there were bits of what appeared to be dried red blood on material, I think logically the drapes were most likely torn down at some point and those bits of red someone saw was actually drape material that was now several years old. My theory. Also 'insane' was a convenient word to use against women back then to get them placed (like witch or hysteric), as was the word used for Walker 'Lunatic.' From what I read, Ann Walker was not insane but overwrought (!) she basically had a breakdown, and could no longer handle all the estate business of hers and Lister's. She let things slide and had a few times not paid rather small amount of taxes. I think she was severely depressed as she lost her love, and eventually her sister. There were also more riots taking place very nearby after Lister died which must have worried Walker. I adore Helena Whitbread and have read her 2 published books. But this interview needs to be updated, imo. Go to insearchofannwalker to read interesting material.

I have seen her on a few videos, she is wonderful!

I Enjoyed watching this series and I look forward to reading her 2 books. Anne Lister was wait before her time. Well Educated and well traveled. And Chose to live her one life on her terms. Good for her. And Her Beloved Ann walker young and Fragile but she grew in strength and spoke up for her self. I Loved this Historical story ❤♥😍💖Anne Lister and Ann walker would have Enjoyed living in the 21st century. But I am glad that they paved the way and lived life on their own term. Yes indeed. 💖

It was harsh of her to scold Anne for her romantic gesture 😢

Heartbreaking...she cares so much for appearances

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That's the impression I had of Anne 's uncle and aunt; that they were gay also.

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Man... I just watch Season 2 episode 1, but watching this really brought me back to earth.

Great interview. I love how Helena speaks so passionately about Anne. Anne clearly represented a butch lesb!an woman of the 1800s. Have to always put the historical context in. Back then there were only two ways to present urself to the world: man- wearing pants / woman, high femme and those tight restrictive clothing. If I went back in time (as a butch woman myself) I would def dress like Anne did. Well I would dress like a man, even though I don't identify as one just because the clothing men wore would be more comfortable to what women wore. Women were getting themselves bruises with those corset, their dresses were too big and big puffy shoulders, they had to walk in sideways into a room etc. What Anne wore would equal to todays women wearing jeans pants/a pantsuit. Sometimes its just about comfortable clothing and back then there not options as we have today. This was literally the age b4 electricity. Suranne did ref an early diary entry Anne had about finding a wife and her being a husband. But then she no longer referred to herself as the husband. And it just became wife and wife. While understanding her same sex attraction it was (of course) tied to heterosexuality. Like everything else on this planet today. Lesb!an couples still get ask "whos the man in the rel" smh There are so many historical context to take into account. Women weren't even seeing a having sexual desires, that's why Anne could get away with having these thirsts with these many women. Sleeping in the same bed etc. Because of men's ignorance they didn't see it as a possible threat. They were just to be married off to men and take care of the household. Society even prevented them from getting higher education.

Never in my life had I heard person soeaking so beautifully English language. Long life for Helena!

You are a wonderful person, Helena Whitbread. I just bought your two books, Volume 1 & 2. Thank you for your curiosity, and perseverance on Lister and her amazing life, and your opened-heart and kindness to the lesbians of the past and those present and in the future. You are most admired. I am totally enthralled by Gentleman Jack, and I am thrilled to know you are a consultant on that incredible series. Bravo to all.

That story about the headmaster made me cry

I like to think Anne Lister would thoroughly approve of this woman.

I literally cried during the end of this interview... So much History and so much passion by Helena Whitbread. She is a remarkable woman herself. This congregation happened a few months before GJ aired so we can see Helena already expected that people would love the story of Anne Lister ❤

She is a great speaker really enjoyed this

So, clearly Anne self-identified as nonbinary ("I am not a man nor a woman"). Yet again, the media nowadays continue to portrait her as a cis woman, once again, cis-washing nonbinary/trans historical figure. As a ftm person who lives in Asia where transitioning is almost impossible (due to strict gender marker law and workplace discrimination), many trans people are stuck in the exact same state Anne was: we can neither become completely a man (due to societal & legal obstacles in transitioning) nor woman (since we don't identify as such). It is disappointing that trans and nonbinary people in the history are always wiped out from the media's narrative (movies about Kristina have the same issue). While there are a lot of progress for LGB, the progress for trans and nonbinary people is almost nonexistent, especially in mainstream media.

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WHEN I read of this Anne Lister person, I at first assumed the individual in question was the quite remarkable woman by the name (of whose name I had forgotten, & assumed Lister was the same person) of Miss Theodora de Verdion - aka "Chevalier John Theodora de Verdion"! See the similarity? Gentleman Jack", and "Chevalier John"? "Chevalier John" was also a lesbian and transvestite, a bookseller and avid reader, translator, and genius- born in the year 1744. Information taken from "Portraits of Curious Characters in London" author anon. Book with chapter on Ms de Verdion is in the public domain, I downloaded my copy off of Gutenberg dot org. PLEASE read of her, the entertainment people could do a documentary on women in history like this. I think it would be fascinating- ps, I am "straight", but to read of such fabulous person of history is fascinating reading to me.

I am a fan. Helena, great work. You are awesome. Bless you.💝

I cannot believe this wonderful woman is nearly 90. Her hair isn't white for heaven's sake! Love Helena. 🥰

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Awesome, thank you for doing this, we need to know more about anne lister, wow she should be well known.

Thank God, thank God, thank God that you deciphered these AMAZING diaries, and gave the world Anne Lister ❤️ Bless you Helena 🙏🤗

:) thank you :)

Is it possible to get the full interview with Helena? TIA

I wish there were more long interviews with Helena. She's brilliant to have figured out the puzzle that is AL's diaries. Thank you Sherry for this.

It's a beautiful insights story. I want to hear some about them

I am puzzled by what Whitbread says in this clip b/c my understanding is that Anne Lister accepted her sexual orientation and had no shame about it b/c she believed god made her the way she was.

where's the video of the panel you mention in this video?

So mysterious young man who gave Helena information about Anne Lister's diary.... so grateful for whoever he was. 😄

I weep every time I watch an interview with this woman - she speaks so movingly and amusingly of her devoted work for so many years - I love her manner of speaking and hope very much to see her in person one day.

I hope I'm as sharp as this lady when I'm 88. I think her story is rather inspiring too.

Just an added note to those who have sent me comments which I do thank you and love to receive here is an updated comment from me.. after I left that statement I decided to do more research into The writer / director and understood her a lot better....thank you for giving me your opinion. With more recent videos she explained that she also has read some of the diaries herself and is using her inspiration from them to do a second season. I’m happy she’s doing a second season. But I still have hopes that HBO will do a very deep and very complete documentary about Ann Lister leaving out any embellishments.

At Shibden Hall this room isn't presented as Anne's bedroom. There is a rather small room at the end of a corridor and up 3 steps which says is Anne's. Not the Red Room.

She was more woman than they’d ever have and more man than they ever were!!

I've just read anne lister biography and i feel sad when i knew she died first and left ann walker. After consequences, obstacles that they faced, i feel bad for those two especially Ann walker who just know what is Love. But when i think in positive way, i know ann walker won't felt regret knowing and fall in love with Anne lister. For Anne Lister, i feel bad for her, left ann walker alone but....I'll feel really bad if she lives spending her rest life without a person she trully love. Btw, I'm happy for them because they can meet and complete each other life. Respect for them. tbh, I'm crying when i writing this and i can relate their stories. Thanks to the cast who make this Ann lister story alive. 10/10

Helena doesn’t get enough credit from recent “history writers” of Anne Lister for all her research. Even Sally Wainwright kind of glosses over her contribution.

I love how Helena tells the story.