What's the word after ob? Tell me that and I'll recognize you as a true Latin scholar.
@jaykumarjoel083214 сағат бұрын
god bless you brother
@YoungHereticsShow8 сағат бұрын
And you!
@Alexander_Scott21 сағат бұрын
Did you film this in your home with that big mural behind you? What's the story behind the scene?
@YoungHereticsShow8 сағат бұрын
I'm at New College Florida where I'm teaching this January! They've set up an awesome studio for me here.
@saintdonoghue21 сағат бұрын
I'll overlook your omission of John Dryden's translation, you Visigoth
@saintdonoghue21 сағат бұрын
(in fact, once again, with the Mandelbaum, we actually agree - one more such completely unlikely agreements and we are legally obligated to wed)
@YoungHereticsShow8 сағат бұрын
That could pose a problem
@saintdonoghue6 сағат бұрын
@@YoungHereticsShow I know! Which is why you have to make sure that your next few book or translation recommendations are LOUSY!
@achunaryan3418Күн бұрын
Ok
@YoungHereticsShowКүн бұрын
💪
@achunaryan341822 сағат бұрын
@YoungHereticsShow 🦾
@BeauBeckwith2 күн бұрын
Question based on your comments about elevated speech vis-a-vis Shakespeare and Homer: Does this apply to criticism of Sorkin material and how unrealistic the dialogue is, though it does sort of elevate the spirit, regardless of the sort of political and cultural agenda he may have? I'm a conservative who has always enjoyed sorkin, but I also understand the criticism of how unrealistic the dialogue is.
@YoungHereticsShowКүн бұрын
I guess the Sorkin problem might be that it sort of masquerades as realism, but I like him too. You just have to accept that it takes place in an elevated world where everybody talks snappy. Even if that’s not quite what Sorkin himself thinks he’s doing😂
@LeoxandarMagnus2 күн бұрын
This is the year then. I will read The Aeneid in Latin for the first time!
@YoungHereticsShowКүн бұрын
DO IT
@AFringedGentianToEnnien4 күн бұрын
*wriggles with delight* I am so looking forward to the Virgil, now! I was very vaguely familiar with it but have not read it, and now I’m so eager to learn more. I’m so glad you addressed the controversy with Emily Wilson’s translation, Spencer. I was thinking that all the hubbub over the translation was overblown. It can’t be that bad, surely, I said to myself? Well, I was in the bookstore the other day and looked at the first page and… no, it’s not that bad. It’s WORSE. It doesn’t sing and cry and dance. It plunks down and jumps up and down on a pogo stick. Dreadful work. It’s exactly what you might expect of an intersectional feminist perspective. As far as Homer’s translations go, I think of Chapman, Johnny Keats’ favorite translation: “Much have I traveled in realms of gold!” But my first encounter with that great work was Fitzgerald, and the first line like a bar of a great symphony: “Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story…” So grateful for all you do for us, Spencer, God bless you.
@YoungHereticsShowКүн бұрын
YAY so glad you’re along for the ride. Love that Keats poem. Even the mistake about Stout Cortes at the end feels epic somehow haha. God bless you right back!!
@arden82904 күн бұрын
Aeneas was son of Anchises and Venus
@YoungHereticsShow4 күн бұрын
He sure was! Love Bernini’s statue of him carrying his dad
@YoungHereticsShow4 күн бұрын
Oh! I see what you’re saying-I mistakenly referred to him as Hector’s brother. My bad, talking too fast. Will correct in the next episode.
@carlzeichner81684 күн бұрын
Nothing happened during the new year?
@YoungHereticsShow4 күн бұрын
Oh no, plenty has happened in 2025!
@StephenK-gc5wo4 күн бұрын
I couldn’t think of a worse actor to play a notorious Greek warrior returning home than Matt Damon. Extremely disappointed in this casting choice.
@YoungHereticsShow4 күн бұрын
Interesting. Well my conjecture that Damon is Odysseus could turn out to be wrong I guess
@jeffmewhinney12985 күн бұрын
Am I going to be stoned for being basic for recommending some react content to the EPIC musical?
@YoungHereticsShow5 күн бұрын
Not at ALL would love to do that.
@salsafeynix5 күн бұрын
I'm excited!
@YoungHereticsShow5 күн бұрын
Me too!
@ttnelson29335 күн бұрын
May 2,025 blessings chase you down :-) kol tov
@jaykumarjoel08325 күн бұрын
Happy new year bro
@YoungHereticsShow5 күн бұрын
Happy new year!!
@jaselando5 күн бұрын
Happy New Year from Scotland, Spencer! I love this new set background. The Aeneid is a fabulous choice to kick off 2025. I cannot wait to get started for two reasons (1) to enjoy and learn from the poem on its own merit, and (2) to deepen my reading experience of Dante's Divine Comedy, which I confess I have read many times with only some of the Georgics for background (for shame). Your essay on Emily Wilson's translation is spot on by the way - I haven't read her Odyssey but "deflated" is the perfect word for her Iliad. No need to trivialise an Epic. I cannot wait to follow your thoughts on Virgil and I hope your class goes well in sunny Florida!
@YoungHereticsShow5 күн бұрын
It's great to hear from you--yes, hopefully this will totally invigorate your reading of Dante! We'll get to him down the line...
@jaselando5 күн бұрын
@@YoungHereticsShow Well that's too exciting - looks like I'm in for the long haul!
@saintdonoghue5 күн бұрын
Aren’t you yourself fortunate that some of those old moral strictures have been challenged and reshaped in the last 50 years? I mean, you’re 100% right about Emily Wilson’s Homer, but you’re also here, alive, and not societally forced into a marriage with a woman - so some of those changes have been good, yes?
@YoungHereticsShow5 күн бұрын
Well, I'd say we'd probably all prefer to live now than in bronze-age Greece, when it comes to it, yes. Respecting ancient honor culture and wanting to preserve the memory of it--without interposing our own modern judgments before we've understood it--isn't the same as endorsing it or wanting to bring it back.
@cpnlsn886 күн бұрын
Great! I started the Aeneid in the New Year. Reading in Loeb comparing and contrasting as I go - I can't always follow the poetry in Latin without a side by side translation.
@YoungHereticsShow6 күн бұрын
So glad. Those Loeb editions are wonderful for exactly this purpose.
@TheTradDadShow6 күн бұрын
Epic!!
@YoungHereticsShow6 күн бұрын
Literally!
@AFringedGentianToEnnien6 күн бұрын
I am SO thrilled you are back, dear Spencer. Because of family stuff I got way behind on your Iliad and Odyssey videos, so I caught up on all of them over Christmas break, and I’m so excited to begin afresh on a new work. I’m also very much enjoying “Light of the Mind, Light of the World.” I so appreciate everything you do for us and I love the new digs!
@YoungHereticsShow6 күн бұрын
Oh, wonderful! What encouraging words--so grateful to have you along for the journey.
@tj44358 күн бұрын
Thank you for quoting St Augustine and telling the St Martin school. In my American house, Bavarian/Triol Advent music is played. During Christmastide, the German Wienachten hymns are played with the American music, except for John Lenno, Bono, Mariah Cari and all the other blah blahs. You are a blessing.
@tj44358 күн бұрын
This was great!
@tj44359 күн бұрын
Spencer, as an avid book reader, especially the "classics", I appreciate your analysis. It is best nowadays to just read the book. On a short note, I saw the movie Quo Vadis as a kid. It was a rollicky movie with a faith element. Many years later i bought and read the book. Wow! What a great story of faith and adventure.
@denniscruz380110 күн бұрын
Where can I watch the entire talk that this short is from?
@michaeldehaeseleer634810 күн бұрын
Hey there! It's from Spencer's Podcast, specifically 'Splitting the Atom, Dividing the World | Ep. 123' This clipped short is at the 35:50 minute mark of the video form of the podcast found here on KZbin.
@denniscruz380110 күн бұрын
@ Thank you!
@jeffreyfisher905814 күн бұрын
A crossover episode featuring the two most underrated youtube channels.
@JaidenNm15 күн бұрын
Now that Epic is out in its entirety, do you have any thoughts on it as a whole?
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
I do. I thought it lost a little steam at the end there, and I'm not sure I would have made all the same choices as Herrans, but overall I thought it was a masterpiece.
@robbinsteel17 күн бұрын
Absolutely love that “free trial”concept for acquiring faith. It could save many souls. So “act now THE Operator is standing by to take your order!”
@robbinsteel17 күн бұрын
Absolutely love that “free trial”concept for acquiring faith. It could save many souls. So “act now THE Operator is standing by to take your order!”
@idklolololol-g3l18 күн бұрын
Ultrakill mentioned?!?!
@VideoEnjoyer-m3z18 күн бұрын
Imagine you've never read the original Odyssey before. Imagine that it never even existed. Imagine, further, that you are a man of the distant future, and you stumble across this book called the "Modernyssey", and it is exactly the modern story you just recounted. What does the Modernyssey say about the psychology of a man of that age? What does it say about the human relationships the 'moderns' have, and the natural roles that the 'moderns' play amongst each other? Why are they like this? What does it say about their civilization, and its fate? What becomes of them?
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
Great questions. I think for one thing it tells you we were a very, very weird society relative to the vast majority of human life and history.
@billyhankstjohn20 күн бұрын
Damn, thought I found a great channel about the classics. Then I had to watch this video. Comparing the DJT assassination attempt to 9/11. Smh
@douglascollier776722 күн бұрын
Interesting
@AFringedGentianToEnnien22 күн бұрын
Dear Spencer, some random guy named Andrew Klavan was just sharing this thoughts on this movie on his show, and he seemed disappointed, too. I do wish you could meet him and talk it over. And a very blessed Christmas to you and your other half and your precious family!
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
Who?
@deliusmyth506323 күн бұрын
Try Taxi Driver for a good version of the Odyssey.
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
Ha! Whoa. Never thought of it that way. Great movie though.
@kaloarepo28825 күн бұрын
Could have been mentioned later in the video (I only watched some) but wasn't that movie with George Clooney in it called "Brother where art thou?" based on the Odyssey?
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
Yes! I love that movie, if only for its soundtrack.
@darrenlivey25 күн бұрын
I'm curious about your thoughts on other movies and TV shows that present The Iliad or The Odyssey. For instance, Armand Assante starred in one in 1997 that won two Emmys. Do you think they all have missed the point of the poem? Or did some get most or all of it right?
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
Great question! Maybe I should do a roundup of them this year.
@LeoxandarMagnus26 күн бұрын
The post-modernists suck all the reality out of real-life. Would also be interested in hearing your take on that Sir Gawain movie that came out recently.
@YoungHereticsShow12 күн бұрын
Yeah, I should do a review of that. I liked it a little better than this, but didn't love it.
@jahnvantuttlesma821527 күн бұрын
As someone who isn't overly familiar with the source material I saw this story as Odyssey reclaiming his heroism/becoming a hero. Retaking his throne while defeating the suitors proves his worth after he had lost it (which you accurately describe in the video by their inclusion of Modern sentiments). I didn't see it as morally ambiguous.
@YoungHereticsShow26 күн бұрын
It’s true that, relative to many modern stories, the story still has a lot of virtue left over from the original. But it’s also a deflationary “take” on the original that dampens the heroism considerably.
@beastinthesky677427 күн бұрын
Fascism, for all it's posturing as being all about strength, is such a pathetic, whiny, crybaby, victimhood-obsessed worldview. It is cowardice elevated to the level of neurosis. Grown men sitting around circle-jerking about how scared they are of people who want absolutely nothing to do with them. They complain about emasculation but they're doing it to themselves.
@jaselando27 күн бұрын
Hi Spencer, your channel is up there with my new favourites - love your passion for each of your video topics. I am in love with the Iliad but somehow I have never read the Odyssey. Do you have a favourite English translation?
@YoungHereticsShow27 күн бұрын
Thank you!!! My favorite is the Robert Fagles edition.
@jaselando27 күн бұрын
@@YoungHereticsShow Lovely, very excited to dive into this!!
@JCR9427 күн бұрын
I’m sorry but The Odyssey without Athena is….bleh. She’s the god in the machine. You should not tell this story without the gods/mythical creatures, but you CANNOT tell it without her.
@YoungHereticsShow27 күн бұрын
Absolutely a key character.
@JaidenNm27 күн бұрын
If nothing else, Mr. Fiennes got absolutely jacked for this film. Net win?
@YoungHereticsShow27 күн бұрын
He does look great. There's full frontal nudity, which actually kind of shocked me. But it fits in the story. And it's inspiring to see older guys getting incredibly hench.
@darrengagliardi154027 күн бұрын
One tricky thing about the original is that, if we try to imagine it realistically, perhaps the mythic obstacles were actually symbolic of internal struggle and psychological conflict. And in that light it’s not necessarily fair to say he didn’t want to come home. We see this in life - one wants to do right but they ultimately sabotage themselves, etc. I haven’t seen this movie, so I don’t doubt they botched it. It just seems reasonable to imagine an ancient story of internal struggle was dressed up with mythic obstacles depicting the struggle within.
@YoungHereticsShow27 күн бұрын
My dad and I have been writing a lot about this at The New Jerusalem substack.
@scottruplin27 күн бұрын
Where’s Ray Harryhausen and the cool monsters when we need them?
@YoungHereticsShow27 күн бұрын
Hahaha I loved those movies as a kid.
@carlscott544728 күн бұрын
My review, also negative: "Odysseus as Shattered Veteran." Some of its main sections go into what's been removed: 1) fantasy stories, 2) gods & prayers, 3) "Cretan" stories, 4) plans, and 5) royalty. Also a discussion of why radically new versions do not have to be bad, or shunned by lovers of Homer. PostModernConservative sbstck.
@YoungHereticsShow28 күн бұрын
Agreed
@ATG91328 күн бұрын
Thanks for reporting on this vandalism.
@YoungHereticsShow28 күн бұрын
I live to serve!
@classicsed28 күн бұрын
Any modern retelling that inspires engagement with Homer can’t be all bad…but this sounds as frustrating as the film Troy. Trying to retell the epics without the gods strips away their meaning so fundamentally that it feels like costuming. At any rate, I enjoyed your analysis : )
@YoungHereticsShow28 күн бұрын
Exactly!!
@marchess28627 күн бұрын
yes. but how does one portray the gods in a movie? Laurence Olivier in a tunic? Russell Crowe, anyone?
@CptToro0828 күн бұрын
I was waiting for your review of the movie before watching it. I was interested in watching the movie and got more and more excited to watch the movie as you went through your series on the Odyssey. Your review of the Odyssey these last few weeks was actually really intriguing and made me want to pick up the book again and now just makes me want Hollywood to finally do the movie right the way it should be. Perhaps something you can pitch to the daily wire
@YoungHereticsShow28 күн бұрын
Well, as I say here, no time spent with Homer is wasted! So glad you got inspired to pick up the book.
@saintdonoghue28 күн бұрын
Bookshelves!
@YoungHereticsShow28 күн бұрын
The ancestral Klavan library!
@saintdonoghue28 күн бұрын
@@YoungHereticsShow But you're a writer and the son of a writer - surely the whole ancestral Klavan library is ten times bigger than just what's visible here? You don't strike me as e-book folk ...
@TheTradDadShow28 күн бұрын
An hbo style series on the iliad and odyssey would be amazing
@YoungHereticsShow28 күн бұрын
I would be the first in line to watch.
@carlscott544728 күн бұрын
HBO would love exploring all the porny-possibilities w/ Circe, Calypso, Briseis, Helen, and they would say Patroclus also. Thersites would be the narrator, and somehow the Atia of their Rome series would again wind up the mastermind behind everything.
@roccocupido508227 күн бұрын
Done...ITALY...1970s..BEKIM FEUMIU and SYLVANA MANGANO...on KZbin I believe
@roccocupido508227 күн бұрын
Sorry Sylvania Mangano was in USA/Italian Co production..1950s..KIRK DOUGLAS.. PRETTY GOOD