When i talk about high elbow at around 12:30, those are cues. What actually happens in the water is usually something different. The impression that you will want to keep is to skim the elbow just below the surface. What actually happens is not that. So this is a cue to visualize and not necessarily what happens in reality. The same goes with keeping the finger tips at the same level from front to back. I guarantee you if you video something, their finger tips are not at the same level. It is more for you as the swimmer to have a visualization to hold onto, hence cue, to work on.

@@dshentube Thanks for your explanation!

I am not sure I have the best answer! I applied running training principles at that time. I would do 2x mid week crawls of min 20 min, sometimes more. Then on the weekends, I'd go out to that track and go for distance, trying to go a little further each time. Before I stopped working on this, I introduced "sprint" training. I would do short distances and crawl as fast as possible. However, I do note that my shoulders got sore and had to stop. So know that this journey was very informative as to my own limitations, and also limitations as humans who spend most of their lives on their feet and not on their shoulders/arms. My personal limitations were strength in general, but that would be characterized as not necessarily muscle but joint endurance and ability to stabilize the torso properly.

No they are not elbow circles. Did you have a question about that?

@@dshentube Well yes....I watched a couple of videos where Terry McLaughlin demonstrates elbow circles which allows your recovery arm to travel in a straight line rather than going in a wide swing.

@@hanskung3278 Elbow circles, like this exercise, are an attempt to loosen up your arm and enable you to move it in a way that is more optimal for swimming. Depending on the client, we may use a number of cues to change their existing movement pattern of the arm to one that is more desirable. For some elbow circles are what they need and not this one. For some elbow circles don't work and we need this one. Or both don't work and we use another process (for example, starting with underswitch and building gradually to overswitch, or cueing butterfly arms, etc.). This particular movement has an additional advantage that it can help develop momentum generation with the recovering arm *maybe* a little earlier than with the elbow circle. That can also be done by elbow circles, but that usually comes later if elbow circles are used. Certainly in either case, you need to imprint the proper movement of the recovering arm first, and then we can start adding on top. We use what the client needs at that moment. Does that help?

@@dshentube Thank you for clarifying that, I've been working on TI along time but I still suck.

Yes i do in Menlo Park! However the pandemic has still left the pool understaffed and us adult swim coaches have not been able to take clients since the pandemic started. We do not anticipate going back until at least 2022. Please go to my website and fill out the Contact form www.coachdshen.com so we may be connected. Thx for reaching out!

Hey there, with the pandemic my pool has not let me take private lessons since the pandemic started and remains still understaffed too much to allow me to get in there. So any videos will have to wait. Having said that, this video is meant to train you on dryland to shift the timing of when you attempt to bend the forward arm for vertical forearm. Most people go for it earlier, and this will put your shoulder at risk. Working on shifting the timing will ease off on your shoulder but still allow you to gain the advantage of EVF. If you do this a lot of dryland (which is where we spend most of our lives), it will help you next time you get in the pool.

Glad to hear and you're welcome! Feel free to ask other questions about TI if you like! And please do let me know if you would like other TI swimming videos. Happy swimming!

You're welcome! Please do let me know if you have any questions and post them here in the comments!

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It is possible that it might. Knowing that we have not looked at your problem directly, we can definitely say that if your pec minor is short and is pulling the shoulder joint forward, the back of the shoulder can get achy if those muscles are in constant battle to try to pull the shoulder back but losing. Give it a try and see how it goes. You can also try releasing the pec minor with some gentle ball massage and see if that relieves the pain in the back.

Thanks for commenting - would you please expand on your question - did you mean that the elbow looks too low in my video, versus other TI videos which show a higher elbow?

@@dshentube Yes David, thanks for reply. In other videos of TI the elbow looks much higher. I understand that the body may be more vertical when swimming but would arm be out of water if elbow didnt go past shoulder? Thanks again

@@mmoloni3221 Remember first that this is just a drill and one on dryland. It has a specific purpose to train your recovery, how to move the arm, and what muscles you would use and not use. I would not get hung up on whether the hand is or is not out of the water when practicing on dryland. Now having said that, note that the apparent water surface is not horizontal to the floor; when practicing like this kind of bent over, it is parallel to your spine, which means it will be at some angle to the floor, like 45 deg. So it can be difficult to visualize exactly what is happening when your arm is moving, relative to this imaginary water surface. When you are lying in the water, your body is angled. So sticking your arm out to the side, even if forward of directly to the side to be moving in the scapular plane, will mean that the upper arm is sticking out of the water at an angle. Now comes what to do with the forearm and hand. So while letting it hang vertical will mean that it is dragging through the water, extending the arm at the elbow will bring the hand out of the water as it recovers. Does that make sense? So remember that this is a drill that is teaching your body to move in a certain way with the right amount of relaxation and tension. When you swim you will then be best positioned to get that hand out of the water in the right way and not by bringing your elbow behind your back in an attempt to lift the hand out.