"Beauty is a hook of the soul." (1:31:08) Yes, so true! I am very excited about what you & your team are doing. Thank you!

On it!

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Another excellent video. You are building something great. 👍

This was fantastic. Thank you for your honesty.

How can the Roman Catholics who are ESAU'S seed who God hates, ( Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13) decides what is or isn't the words of the God of Abraham Issac & Jacob?

Excellent. Thank you.

Great Presentation. Purgatory makes perfect sense and is a huge gift of Gods mercy. Think about it. No one enters heaven unless they are saints otherwise they would contaminate heaven. Purgatory is a spiritual washing machine that turns us into saints unless we become saints before we die in which case we go directly to heaven. Without purgatory most souls would go to hell. Take advantage of Divine Mercy Sunday every year.

As a Lutheran LCMS, I have no doubt about the faith being passed down from the Apostles but what Catholics fail to a knowledge, how they swayed away from the faith as early as 3-400 AD, which resulted in the splits of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian etc all the way down to Luther, who only wanted to reform the fallen apostate position of the Church. Todays Catholic Church in no way represents what the Apostles actually taught and believed, not to mention all the sinful practices of the church, the pedophilia and paying of indulgences as well as a “works” based faith. Paul tells us that in later times some would no longer adhere to sound doctrine. That includes Catholics

This channel is an answered prayer. Thank you for doing what you do.

The Apocrypha DOES repeat some of the actual Old Testament, so, in that regard, it has SOME truths in it. It ALSO has falsehoods. And once it contains a falsehood, it's no longer the Word of God. It is written AFTER the Old Testament is completed...every prophecy recorded, etc. in the period of Silence. It's not canon and to pretend otherwise is false teaching...and ADDING to God's Word in this manner comes with a hefty penalty.

Protestant here, this was awesome. Definitely going to consider treating the book of wisdom as inspired scripture

Joshua TCharles, I have seen how the mercy and grace of God has allowed you to reveal what I myself also experienced in my time with Calvinism. We were misled by the British Bible Societies, and this was a mistake. Because, like you, I realized that the books we commonly call apocryphal were not so for the early Christians, especially the Book of Wisdom, which is clearly a canonical book far from being apocryphal. Just as God revealed to Simon that Jesus was His Son, He has now revealed this important and transcendental truth to you. Here I want to help you with some verses cited by the first Christians of the first 5 centuries, at least 20 citations from them, taken from the deuterocanonicals. This shows us that Martin Luther, without being part of any Church council, declared the seven deuterocanonical books to be apocryphal. The same Bishop Saint Augustine of Hippo, in the last council, selected 73 books, and for him the deuterocanonicals were canonical, just as you have realized that Wisdom is not apocryphal. I give glory to God, and perhaps this will help you see that only Luther believed this absurdity that they were apocryphal. Here are the citations from the first centuries regarding the deuterocanonicals, always believed by the early Church. I congratulate you for sharing your enlightenment with the other brothers. Example: Bring the quotes from at least 20 Church Fathers of the first centuries Name of the Apostolic Father, year of the letter or book, title of the letter or book, and the quote referencing the deuterocanonicals. Paragraph with Examples of Early Church Father Citations: Joshua TCharles, your journey of discovery regarding the deuterocanonical books is truly inspiring and resonates with the experiences of many who have examined the historical evidence. The notion of these books being "apocryphal" is a relatively late development, as we see clear evidence of their use and acceptance by the early Church. Martin Luther’s rejection of these texts stands in stark contrast to the consensus of the first centuries, where these books were not seen as extra-biblical, but as part of the scriptural tradition. As you've eloquently recognized the canonical nature of Wisdom, let us delve into some examples from the early Church Fathers supporting this point of view and the other deuterocanonical books: Clement of Rome, circa 96 AD, Letter to the Corinthians, Clement quotes from Wisdom 12:12: "Who can say to you, What have you done?" and presents it as authoritative. Polycarp of Smyrna, circa 110 AD, Letter to the Philippians, This letter alludes to Tobit 4:10, "Almsgiving delivers from death," reflecting a familiar understanding of these texts. Didache, circa 100-150 AD, Didache, The Didache is a manual of Christian life which shows familiarity with Sirach, quoting phrases and using concepts found in the book. There are a number of passages throughout the Didache that have parallels with Sirach. Irenaeus of Lyons, circa 180 AD, Against Heresies, Irenaeus uses Baruch 4:36-37 as an authority to refute the Gnostics idea of the physical world. Tertullian,circa 200 AD, On Modesty, explicitly quotes Wisdom to show its authority Clement of Alexandria, circa 200 AD, The Instructor, Clement often quotes from Baruch and Wisdom as scripture, showing a high regard for the books. He also mentions Tobit and Judith. Origen of Alexandria, circa 230 AD, Commentary on Matthew, Origen cites Wisdom 10:4 showing its acceptance as divinely inspired text when mentioning Noah. Cyprian of Carthage, circa 250 AD, Treatise 1, Cyprian quotes Tobit 12:8, "Prayer is good with fasting, and alms," using it as an authoritative piece of God's teaching. Hippolytus of Rome, circa 225 AD, Commentary on Daniel, Hippolytus quotes from Susanna as part of the Old Testament Scripture in his commentary. Athanasius of Alexandria, circa 367 AD, 39th Festal Letter acknowledges the usefulness of several deuterocanonical books, for edification, but places them in a category different than the protocanonical writings. Hilary of Poitiers, circa 360 AD, Commentary on the Psalms, Hilary quotes and accepts Baruch as part of the prophetic books. Cyril of Jerusalem, circa 350 AD, Catechetical Lectures, Cyril quotes from Wisdom and other deuterocanonical texts. Ambrose of Milan, circa 380 AD, On Repentance, Ambrose uses Tobit and Wisdom for instruction, seeing them as part of the inspired scriptures. Basil of Caesarea, circa 370 AD, Letters, Basil cites the book of Baruch. Gregory of Nyssa, circa 380 AD, On the Making of Man, Gregory quotes Wisdom as an authoritative text. John Chrysostom, circa 400 AD, Homilies on Hebrews, John references to the deuterocanonical book of Tobit. Epiphanius of Salamis, circa 375 AD, Panarion, Epiphanius mentions the book of Judith, in his discussion of the biblical canon. Augustine of Hippo, circa 400 AD, On Christian Doctrine, Augustine affirms the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books, including Wisdom, and Tobit, as part of the Old Testament canon in the council of Carthage which he attended. Jerome, circa 400 AD, Against Rufinus, Jerome shows familiarity with Tobit, Judith, Baruch and Wisdom as books included in the Old Testament canon. Council of Hippo circa 393 AD, This Council, where St. Augustine was involved, officially listed the Deuterocanonical books as part of the Old Testament canon for the church. These examples showcase that the deuterocanonical books were not peripheral or late additions, but integral parts of the scriptural tradition for centuries, long before the Reformation. These citations of early church fathers highlight the wide acceptance of these texts from the first centuries of Christianity. Your recognition of the canonical value of these books is a return to the authentic, historical understanding of the Christian scriptures.

*But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.* *Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.* *But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.* *And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.*

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I’m new to the ancient forms of the faith but been reading these debated books. I loved Tobit ! It’s so edifying and I felt the spirit when I read it. Judith, not so much. Felt it was uninspired but I’m no authority on these things. I have been reading Sirac and it’s inspiring for sure

@tknciliba4743, were you born and baptized as a Catholic as a baby/child?

Wrong right out of the gate. I don't reject the Apocrypha, I just don't consider it Scripture.

It's surprising for people to beleive, and not only to beleive, but to use scripture as their a way to try and prove such heretical nonsence as pergatory! that is not in the bible! Jesus came to this world, to, "save that which was lost!" Not that which died without salvation? best way to prove that, is to show, if Jesus went to that place to save those that were in there. (Pergatory) The bible states, that there is one life, one death, and after death, one judgement! why would Jesus die twice? Once to redeem the lost, then die again to redeem the lost that died after rejecting salvation? Has anyone in the catholic church ever read, 2nd Corinthians 6:2? There are no todays for the dead, only for the living? Anyone using scripture out of context to prove their heresies will have to prove that revelation 22:18-19 is not Spiritual! I/E, not from God.. verified by paul in, Galatians 1:8-9..

nonsense. just your imagination

Why is the Book of Wisdom not in the Bible? The Book of Wisdom is not in the Protestant Bible nor the Jewish holy books because it is not perceived to have been inspired by God, but the creation of humankind. The Book of Wisdom is one of the fourteen books of the Apocrypha which were all originally written in Greek and part of the Greek Old Testament. One of the basic principles of biblical interpretation is the analogia scriptura, the analogy of Scripture--we must compare Scripture with Scripture in order to understand its full and proper sense. Since the Bible doesn't contradict itself, any interpretation of a specific passage that contradicts the general teaching of the Bible is to be rejected.

Include Mel Gibson...

This is the same dilemma that I had that brought me to the Catholic Church. I came to the realization that there has to be a central authority to resolve disputes. There are many ways scripture can be interpreted that are all logical and make sense yet are completely contradictory. I read a scripture that says "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace". This passage is about speaking in tongues but it reveals a truth about God. The teaching of Sola Scripture causes confusion and conflict, therefore it cannot be from God.

People need to watch out for false hood.

I can not believe in a Purgatory. You do being Catholic. Judgement Day the truth will be.

Does the Church still charge $$ for Prayers for ones in Catholic Purgatory?

As a Catholic, I kept getting this video recommended in my feed but I kept avoiding it because I read the word Apocrypha and assumed this video and channel was Protestant. Then I noticed apocrypha was in quotations so I clicked on it out of curiosity and witnessed the thoroughly Catholic introduction haha 😂.

It’s hard to listen to someone who gets on his little Pedestal Calling us non-Catholics ignorant uneducated and are twisting the scriptures. That’s exactly what I take from you from your quotation of Peter. And I would challenge you to only use scripture and not one single word from someone in the past. You won’t do that because you don’t know the scriptures

The apocryphal books in the Septuagint were in the KJV for hundreds of years. They were removed in the 1880s. It was very controversial. It is not a sin to read the apocryphal books. Protestants can read them. I don't care if those books are in my Bible or not. Those books don't make a person "not protestant." How many Protestants alive today were alive in the 1880s? None. Few Protestants have read those books. They reject them because they are told to. There's no poison in the apocryphal books that will suddenly make you a Roman Catholic.

This is the second time you've had a rosary week for J.D. Vance yet you still haven't done a week for President Trump.

Many thanks, on it.

Yes, my deep dive into the Catholic Church began when a well-respected agnostic colleague in grad school commented that if I was going to believe in God, the Catholic Church was the only one that made sense historically and theologically. His comment surprised me and planted the seed of my journey home to the Catholic Church.

Thank you. I’m a new Catholic who is sometimes struggling Protestant misconceptions. This really helps.

The jews didn’t include the apocrypha because they contained a lot of prophetic material that proves Jesus as messiah

You still have to use your fallible faculties to determine whether your Church is true. You can’t get around the fact that you will never have certainty.

“Psychology of Catholic Converts” is right again. Why is it so hard to acknowledge you will never have full certainty?

Y’all might as well just call yourselves atheists with all your stupid doctrines. Just say you don’t think Christ can save you and stop claiming His name. God’s actual Word does not teach purgatory. Catholics just want the praise of men it’s so sad

I'm a Catholic. The book of Wisdom was not written centuries before Christ It is dated to the mid first century BC. So more like 50 years before Christ.

What a lovely episode, thank you Gavin Ashenden for reading that beautiful sermon

There's an online christian ministry that's targeted to evangelize Jews, and ofc they're protestants, and never miss to bash Catholics from time to time. Anyways, they often use Isaiah to convince Jews about this prophecy. So what does this mean? Not all protestants reject Isaiah as divinely inspired, or what?

Our lady? Stop worshipping her and stop elevating her beyond what scriptures do... It's dangerous, because it flirts with idolatry.. You're encouraging Mary idolators to continue idolizing her... If the worship of angels leads to Hell (Col 2:18 disqualified from the race), the worship of Mary leads to the same result... STOP IT.

To me it’s just weird how Protestants want to take sides with the same jews that persecuted Christians, the same ones that ; Mock Jesus's birth from a virgin Dispute his claim to be the Son of God and Messiah Maintain that Jesus was executed for being an idolater and blasphemer Subvert the Christian idea of Jesus's resurrection Insist that Jesus received the punishment he deserved in hell, and that his followers will face a similar fate Note; to my Protestant friends Jesus according to Talmud was the son of a Roman soldier/ wonder why they didn’t claim he was just the son of Joseph I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but the Bible clearly states Jesus opened the eyes to the disciples to understand scripture - around the same time; 15 Indeed, to this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds. I will take early Christians word , as it is proven and affirmed by their martyrdom.

Those quotes from Wisdom indeed were refering to Jesus... I was not found on those passages, i confess, i am a recent reconverted from Agnosticism, and this is new to me.

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I just shared this passage with my wife yesterday!

Its all very well having a prophecy that is accurate in a book. And surely, that had a spiritual source. But the rest of the book of Wisdom has some weird ideas. These ideas have never grown into any doctrine but, in the wrong hands, they could. That's why the book was rejected. Ecclesiasticus is even worse. It says you should divorce your wife if she nags too much and that you should not fear death because you won't be judged among other peculiar sayings. Its very obviously human. Its like a father's advice to his son. But scripture? No way! Lots of Christians have prophesied things throughout the ages that came true. Must their writings now become part of the new testament? The Jews had already rejected these books. Why should Christians now accept them? These arguments about the cannon go on and on. But the books of the bible were established centuries ago for very good reasons by the fathers of our faith. I really think it is a bad idea to continually buck up against this pillar of truth.