Amazing 333 Math Puzzle
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2 ай бұрын
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@haroldlake1005
@haroldlake1005 Сағат бұрын
The 2nd. method is a very mess !! I prefer to use the 1st.one. Thanks
@FadkinsDiet
@FadkinsDiet 3 сағат бұрын
If you end up using trig sub, why not just do a polar integral from the start?
@johngutwirth7706
@johngutwirth7706 8 сағат бұрын
THX for the nice problem and solutions. The purpose of a nagging musical background is beyond me though!
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 8 сағат бұрын
@@johngutwirth7706 Noted! It has been quiet down a lot in newer videos!
@JSSTyger
@JSSTyger 11 сағат бұрын
Well I get a strange answer of 3π
@JSSTyger
@JSSTyger 11 сағат бұрын
Knowing the 3 equal arc lengths means you can know some angles from the center of the circle to each vertex. The angles will be multiples of 30°.
@gregevgeni1864
@gregevgeni1864 11 сағат бұрын
10:04
@er63438
@er63438 13 сағат бұрын
Second solution is sick 😂
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
I know I know 😅
@babisstafulas7874
@babisstafulas7874 18 сағат бұрын
1) semicircle 2) first circle piece 12pi-9*sq(3) 3) secont circle piece 6pi-9*sq(3) 4) fcp-scp=6pi 5) 6pi/2=3pi From Greece -- no good English
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
Everything understood, no "good English" required for math friend!
@lasalleman6792
@lasalleman6792 20 сағат бұрын
I just set up a triangle and a rectangle of the red area, using standard trig and geometry. Got those areas. Then added the amount from the segment area of sector AOB. ( the space between the chord and the arc AB of sector AOB . As I say, I added up everything and the total came to 9.39. Pretty damn close to suggested solution. Short and sweet.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
Great job!!!
@nandisaand5287
@nandisaand5287 22 сағат бұрын
You lost me @ 9:48. I threw up @ 11:30.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
I can feel your pain!!!
@LuisdeBritoCamacho
@LuisdeBritoCamacho 23 сағат бұрын
We can use an Integral to solve this. 01) sin(30º) = 1/2 02) sin(60º) = sqrt(3)/2 03) Interval of the Integral [3sqrt(3) ; 3] 04) Equation of the Circle : X^2 + Y^2 = 36 05) Y^2 = 36 - X^2 ; Y = +/- sqrt(36 - X^2) 06) INT sqrt(36 -X^2) dX between 3sqrt(3) and 3. 07) Area = 9,425
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 Күн бұрын
A = A₁- A₂ A = ½[½R²(α-sinα) - ½R²(β-sinβ)] A = ¼R²(120°-sin120°)-(60°-sin60°) A = ¼6²(⅔π-√3/2-⅓π+√3/2) A = 3π cm² ( Solved √ )
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 Күн бұрын
My solution is subtracting the two circular segments, EASIER !!! and generic. Video solution (first method) only works when dividing the arc in three equal parts !!!
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
@@marioalb9726 Since the problem IS dividing into 3 equal parts, solution 1 is valid in this case, and I wanted to avoid trigonometry, since method 2 is little bit obnoxious...if you know what I mean... And, yes: Your solution is valid for every angle! Nice one! 👍
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 Күн бұрын
Position of points A and B: h₁= x₂ = R.cos30° = 3√3 cm h₂= x₁ = R.cos60° = 3 cm x = x₂ - x₁= 3√3-3 = 2,19615cm Area of right trapezoid: A₁ = ½(h₁+h₂).x = ½(3√3+3)*2,19615 A₁ = 9 cm² Area of circular segment: A₂ = ½R²(α-sinα) = ½6²(30°-sin30°) A₂ = 0,4248 cm² = 3π-9 Red shaded area: A= A₁+A₂= 9,4248cm² = 3π (Solved √)
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 Күн бұрын
This area is equal to 30° angular sector area: A = ½αR² = ½*π/6*6²= 3π cm². I couldn't see it before. The solution could have been simpler !!!!!
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
That also works like a charm! Nice!
@santiagoarosam430
@santiagoarosam430 Күн бұрын
O es el centro del círculo; ABCD es el área sombreada; OB y AD se cortan en E; G es el extremo del radio horizontal; OB y AG se cortan en H → Los triángulos EHA rojo y el EDO blanco son congruentes y el semi segmento circular HAB rojo lo es con el CBG blanco; Ambas superficies rojas adosadas al trapecio rojo DEBC completan el sector circular GOB→ Área sombreada =π*6²*30º/360º =3π. Buen rompecabezas. Gracias y un saludo.
@ManjeetRani-v5n
@ManjeetRani-v5n Күн бұрын
i did it by using trignometry by extending it to semi circle and then dividing the resulted area by 2.
@jimlocke9320
@jimlocke9320 Күн бұрын
At 1:10, designate the point where the arc intersects the line through CD as point E. Construct OA and OB. We note that sector OAE is 1/6 of the circle's area and OBE 1/12. We can find the red area by computing the area of sector OAE and deducting the areas of ΔOAC and the black area bounded by BD, DE and arc BE. That black area is the area of sector OBE less the area of ΔOBD. So the red area is area (sector OAE - ΔOAC - (sector OBE - ΔOBD)) = sector OAE - sector OBE - ΔOAC + ΔOBD. As found in the video, ΔOAC and ΔOBD are congruent, so they cancel out. Sector OAE - sector OBE is sector OAB, or 1/12 the area of the circle, = (1/12)πr² = (1/12)π(6²) = 3π, as The Phantom of the Math also found.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
Very nice!
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson Күн бұрын
The area equality or substitution in the first method is very elegant! That's how such a problem is meant to be solved. The second method is awful! So it's a good contrast. The lazy one does well to think creatively before begining work on the first idea that pops up. First chess master Steinitz said that the difficult thing with chess is, when one has come up with a good move, to keep looking for a better one.
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 Күн бұрын
I don't find very elegant the first method, because it is only valid by dividing the quadrant into three equal parts. For other angles, doesn't work. Second method is awful, I agree, but is generic for any angle See my generic method in the comments
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
I love chess!!! That's an awesome quote!
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson Күн бұрын
I calculated the (area of) circle half-segment beyond AC, then subtracted the circle half-segment beyond BD. Half-segment beyond AC is the circle sector below OA minus right triangle OAC. Same for half-segment BD, sector below OB, triangle OBD. Sector below OA = 2/3 of the quarter circle's area, and sector below OB is 1/3. Relative sides of 90-60-30 triangles known by heart.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
Excellent thinking!
@bkp_s
@bkp_s Күн бұрын
Great sir, really great!!!
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
Ty sir!
@BhumanBudhiraja
@BhumanBudhiraja Күн бұрын
Great problem 😃
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 сағат бұрын
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
@BhumanBudhiraja
@BhumanBudhiraja 9 сағат бұрын
@ThePhantomoftheMath Actually I wanted to say that why don't you try to make some shorts out of these long videos? It will really help grow the channel as you could reach more viewers 📈👍
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 7 сағат бұрын
@@BhumanBudhiraja I'm not very big fan of shorts...but...yeah maybe I'll do that...I will definitely consider your advice on that. Thanks!
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 3 күн бұрын
Area of triangle: A = ½b.h + ½b.h = ½(13.r)+½(14.r) A = 13,5 . r Area of triangle, Heron's formula: A²= s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) A²=21(21-13)(21-14)(21-15) A = 84 cm² = 13,5.r --> r=56/9cm Área of semicircle: A = ½πr² = 60,815 cm² Red shaded area: A = A₁- A₂ = 23,185 cm² (Solved √)
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 4 күн бұрын
S= √25 = 5 cm ; α = atan(1/2) Intersecting chords theorem : S/cosα .s/cosα = (½S)² s = 0,8 (¼S²)/S = S/5 = 1 cm A = s² = 1 cm² ( Solved √ )
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 4 күн бұрын
S = √25 = 5 cm α = atan(1/2) a = S/cosα = 5,59017cm Intersecting chords theorem: a.b=(½S)² b= ¼S²/a = 1,118034 cm s = b cosα = 1 cm A = s² = 1cm² ( Solved √ )
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 4 күн бұрын
@@marioalb9726 Great job!
@devondevon4366
@devondevon4366 4 күн бұрын
7.556 Answer Let the radius of the quarter circle = R then the radius of the half circle = R/2 The area of the quarter circle = R^2/4 pi The area of the half circle = (R/2)*2 /2 pi or R^2/8 pi The combined area of the two = R^2/4 pi + R^2/8 pi = 3R^2/8 pi The area of the circle = 8 R Hence, the AREA of the shaded region = 8R - 3R^2/8pi Draw a line from the center of the half-circle through where the half-circle and quarter-circle touches to the lower bottom of the rectangle to form a triangle. This is the hypotenuse of length R + R/2 = 3R/2 (since it is the combined length of the two radii) The length of the smallest base is R/2, and the longest is 8 Employ Pythagorean (3R/2)^2 = (R/2)^2 + 8^2 9R^2/4 = R^2/4 + 64 9R^2/4 - R^2/4 = 64 8R^2/4 = 64 2R^2 =64 R^2 = 32 R = sqrt 32 Hence, the radius of the circle is the square root of 32 Since the AREA of the shaded region in terms of R is 8R - 3R^2/8 pi (see above, Hence, 8R - 3 (32/8) pi) 8R - 12 pi 8 (sqrt 32) - 12* 3.1416 45.2548 -37.699 =7.555833
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 4 күн бұрын
@@devondevon4366 great! Nice joob!
@sorourhashemi3249
@sorourhashemi3249 4 күн бұрын
thanks Easy. The sum of areas of white triangles is :24+16+4=44, the area of the general square is 8^2=64. The area of red triangle = 64-44=20
@vanessawelles4760
@vanessawelles4760 6 күн бұрын
How do you know that the circle is exactly a 1/2 circle???
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 6 күн бұрын
Because that's the condition of the problem. Check 0:12 please :)
@gnanadesikansenthilnathan6750
@gnanadesikansenthilnathan6750 7 күн бұрын
Yes but there can he another method.find the hypotaneous . Area = 1/2 bh for larger triangle. Draw a tangent that divides the triangle into two halves . This tangent is equal to the diameter of two circles. Find the oenth of tangent . With we fan know the radius. Combined area = πr^r + πr^2 = 2πr^2.
@nenetstree914
@nenetstree914 7 күн бұрын
Using Multiple-angle formulae is an another way 😀
@nenetstree914
@nenetstree914 7 күн бұрын
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@sandeeppareek6087
@sandeeppareek6087 7 күн бұрын
Subtitles ruining all
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 7 күн бұрын
@@sandeeppareek6087 Can't help you with that, I'm afraid. 😢 It's a KZbin feature. However, you can try lowering the capions size or turning subtitles off completely.
@bonaldisillico
@bonaldisillico 7 күн бұрын
All good - but, unlike the opening description, the requested area is NOT the intersection between the triangle and the semicircle, that would be just the semicircle .... but we know what you mean!
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 7 күн бұрын
@@bonaldisillico Yeah, you're right... I meant 'difference area,' but thankfully, you got the point, and that's what matters most.
@refrashed
@refrashed 7 күн бұрын
i got the solution much faster... by estimating 😉 first i determined the radius of the circle to be (√50/2), then the side of the small square would be slightly less then (√50/2 - 5/2), which if you put in a calculator comes out to be (1.035...). this was the extent of my math ability so i stopped there and said "its probably 1" which in turn would make the area 1^2=1
@marioalb9726
@marioalb9726 7 күн бұрын
Just find the equivalent right triangle with the same area. b = 6+2 = 8cm h = 2+2+¼4 = 5cm A = ½b.h = ½*8*5 = 20 cm² ( Solved √ )
@bkp_s
@bkp_s 8 күн бұрын
Good video sir Thanks a lot.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 8 күн бұрын
Ty sir!
@santiagoarosam430
@santiagoarosam430 8 күн бұрын
ABC=(14r/2)+(13r/2)=27r/2 Perímetro de ABC =13+14+15=42→ Semiperímetro =42/2=21 → Según fórmula de Herón: ABC =√[21*(21-13)*(21-14)*(21-15)=84. 27r/2=84→ r=56/9→ Área sombreada =84-(πr²/2)=84-(1568π/81) =23,18497... Gracias y un saludo.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 8 күн бұрын
Nice!
@jacquespictet5363
@jacquespictet5363 8 күн бұрын
Nice. My first thought was to mirror the triangle along the 15 line, but it does not seem to help much.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 8 күн бұрын
Yeah, I know. Brain wants to do that!
@JobBouwman
@JobBouwman 8 күн бұрын
There is one Degree of Freedom. It's easy to see that in the two extreme cases, the solution is 2pi. 1) maximizing the left part, yields a quarter of a circle with radius sqrt(2). 2) maximizing the right part yields half a circle with radius 1.
@IllllllllllIIlIIIIlIlllI
@IllllllllllIIlIIIIlIlllI 8 күн бұрын
I found the area of ​​the triangle the same way, but I had trouble finding the radius of the circle, but now I know how to find it, math has become fun !
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 8 күн бұрын
@@IllllllllllIIlIIIIlIlllI That's cool! And yes, math can be really fun! 👍
@dickroadnight
@dickroadnight 8 күн бұрын
Yes, as others have mentioned: EBQ=atan(9/12) PBQ is half that, and is atan(1/3), so QB =3r =12-3r r=2 12=r(3+1/Tan(atan(3/4)/2)) r=12/(3+1/Tan(atan(3/4)/2))‎ = 2 iOS 18 maths notes help!
@AmiraldeGrasse
@AmiraldeGrasse 9 күн бұрын
The use of limit results very elegant!
@johnhebert3855
@johnhebert3855 10 күн бұрын
Elegant.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 9 күн бұрын
Ty sir!
@AslamSheikh-c2r
@AslamSheikh-c2r 10 күн бұрын
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 10 күн бұрын
@@AslamSheikh-c2r ❤️
@sorourhashemi3249
@sorourhashemi3249 11 күн бұрын
Thanks. Connect B to O and have triangle BCO in which it is similar to triangle ABC.( two angled and side BC), and mark CD as X. So : 2R-X/2=R-X/R===> R =1 and area of rectangke 2×1=2
@krwada
@krwada 11 күн бұрын
I cheated. I used trig. One only needs to notice that only the right triangle needs to be solved is that which is formed by right triangle PQB. The acute angle of PQB is simply the 1/2 angle of the CAB acute angle. so ... r/(12-3r) = tan(1/2 angle of CAB) In the example, r = 2. The rest is just using the pi-r-squared formula. I wonder if there is a way to do this puzzle from pure geometry without Pythagoras? Maybe, using similar to the trig solution I show above. After all, angles and half-angles and their relationships are well defined with respect to the corresponding ratios of the sides of the right triangle no?
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 11 күн бұрын
@@krwada No, you didn't "cheat". Trig is completely valid way of solving this problem.
@Antony_V
@Antony_V 12 күн бұрын
I have the impression that there is something wrong: at 3:57 √(506*a) must be an integer, ok, so you wrote a=506*(x^2). For me it would be a*506=x^2. Since 506 is the product of three prime numbers the smallest square under the root is 506^2. That gives a=506. The same for y, at 5:29, y=506. The others 2 solutions (0,2024) and (2024,0) obviously don't need any calculus.
@constantinfedorov2307
@constantinfedorov2307 12 күн бұрын
Как то это сложно все. 12 - 4r = 2r, r = 2. Все решение. Для тех, кто не понял (хотя трудно таких представить). Внутренняя общая касательная (она же радикальная ось) отсечет от треугольника подобный ему треугольник, для которого одна из окружностей, - правая, - вписанная. Так как и тот и другой треугольники подобны треугольнику со сторонами 3,4,5, у которого радиус вписанной окружности 1, то стороны отсеченного радикальной осью треугольника можно записать, как 3r, 4r, 5r, а разница между большими катетами равна 2r. И никаких длинных уравнений. :)
@rangaweerakkody165
@rangaweerakkody165 12 күн бұрын
drop a perpendicular to BC from P, PD. PDB and POB triangles are congrunet. If b^ = 2x tan 2x = 3/4. PBD = tan x. OB is 12 - 3r Using tan formula, 3/4 = 2 tan x / 1 - tan^2 x -> 3tan^2 x + 8 tan x - 3 = 0, tan x = 1/3 or -3 since x > 0, tan x = 1/3 tan x = Po / OB = r/(12- 3r) = 1/3, r = 2 Area = 8pi
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 12 күн бұрын
The long side of the equation has equation y = 9-3x/4. the circumference of the right hand circle has (y-r)^2 + (x-3r)^2 = r^2. It is straightforward to determine r from these equaqtions and the area of the circles follows easily.
@quigonkenny
@quigonkenny 13 күн бұрын
Assume triangle vertices are A, B, C, labeled counterclockwise from right angle. Left circle center is O, right circle center is P, all as in video. (Paused video here) Let the point of tangency between circle O and AC be S, and the points of tangency between circles O and P and AB be M and N respectively. Let the point of tangency between circle P and BC be V, and the point of tangency between the two circles will be T. Let the radius of the two congruent circles be r. As AC = 9 = 3(3) and AB = 12 = 4(3), it's clear that ∆ABC is a 3:4:5 Pythagorean triple right triangle and BC = 5(3) = 15. As NB and BV are tangent to circle P and intersect at B, NB = BV = x. As SA and AM are tangent to circle O and intersect at A, SA = AM. As ∠OSA = ∠AMO = 90° as S and M are points of tangency and OS and OM are radii, and as ∠SAM = 90°, ∠MOS = 90° as well and SAMO is a square. As the point of tangency between two circles and their centers is always collinear, OP contains point T, so OP = OT + PT = 2r. As PN and OM are both perpendicular to AB and thus parallel to each other, OMNP is a rectangle with a width of 2r (OP, MN) and height of r (OM, PN). As AB = 12 and AN = r+2r = 3r, then as x = NB, x = 12-3r. VC thus equals 15-(12-3r) = 3+3r. Draw PV, and extend NP to L on BC. As ∠BVP = ∠LNB = 90° (radius at tangent), and ∠VLP = ∠BLN = ∠BCA (corresponding angles, as NL is parallel to AC), then ∆PVL and ∆LNB are similar to ∆ABC. On ∆PVL, as PV = r corresponds to the long leg of the 3:4:5 triangle, then VL = 3r/4 and LP = 5r/4. BL = BV + VL BL = x + 3r/4 = 12 - 3r +3r/4 BL = 12 - 9r/4 LN = 5r/4 + r = 9r/4 Triangle ∆LNB: BL/LN = BC/AC (12-9r/4)/(9r/4) = 15/9 = 5/3 3(12-9r/4) = 5(9r/4) 36 - 27r/4 = 45r/4 72r/4 = 36 18r = 36 r = 36/18 = 2 Combined circle area: A = πr² + πr² = 2πr² A = 2π2² = 8π sq units
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 12 күн бұрын
Very very nice!
@ProfessorDBehrman
@ProfessorDBehrman 13 күн бұрын
Actually, this problem is most easily solved using the formula for the radius of the in-circle of a right triangle: R = (1/2)( a + b - c ) In this case we have b = 12 - 2R, a = (3/4)b , c = (5/4)b, and we get a linear equation for R. No need to use Pythagorean Theorem.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 13 күн бұрын
I bisected the angle at B to get the two congruent right triangles BPQ and BPE that have the radius as one side. And from there on. I won't type it out here because I then went about it more roundabout than what is probably necessary. The crux is to find a relationship between the triangle and a circle center.
@ThePhantomoftheMath
@ThePhantomoftheMath 13 күн бұрын
That's a really nice approach!
@Ray3-d4v
@Ray3-d4v 13 күн бұрын
Really appreciate your reminders of pertinent theorems as you solved the problem. I saw a 3-4-5 triangle and used trig to get r but I really like your purely geometric approach.