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@marccoletta8193 Ай бұрын
Way too long and overdrawn of an episode. I kept falling asleep throughout the entire thing. This could all be condensed into half an hour or maybe even 45 minutes max, but an hour and 27 minutes is way too long to talk about this movie.
@stephenkim4570 Ай бұрын
This was so beautifully done - thank you M. Logic.
@LauraAllen-nm9ws 2 ай бұрын
I love this movie! The realistic style helps to make the story feel less dated than the melodramas of this period. This century old film is also a reminder that people don't change -- Americans don't anyway. Tweak the technology, skip the wedding, rename the movie from The Crowd to The Internet, and you'd have a remake for today. As for the ending, I'd like to see a sequel showing John and Mary during the Great Depression. Would they mature and rise to the occasion or falter into narcissistic oblivion? The twenties were a cake walk compared to the thirties. In any case, my heartfelt thanks for this posting. ❤
@shoy3241 2 ай бұрын
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@tfellela 2 ай бұрын
this is awful. You know who I think would make a good puck? Timothee Chalemet
@moroniclogic 2 ай бұрын
@@tfellela Solid choice- but I’m going to have to see how he does as Bob Dylan before signing onto him following in Mickey Rooney’s footsteps.
@scottherdliska372 Ай бұрын
Yuck
@marisachacon9622 3 ай бұрын
Porfi traducir al español!!
@marisachacon9622 3 ай бұрын
Traducir al español '!
@kristo1981 3 ай бұрын
Would this story be different in another, not so crowded environment? I don't think so. It is timeless.
@thethirstyscholar1 3 ай бұрын
Johnny Sins
@MicoAquinoComposer 3 ай бұрын
😭
@anthonykimball7463 3 ай бұрын
A shame you had to put your watermark directly on the picture rather than off to the side. Might not seem like a major issue to you or most viewers, but to me it's a non-trivial distraction. Especially disappointing, since this is the only upload of the complete film on KZbin. 👎
@moroniclogic 3 ай бұрын
@@anthonykimball7463 As I mentioned in the notes it was to cover up another watermark. This was the best available version of the film I had access to at the time The Crowd entered public domain. I 100% understand the frustration, and regret not just putting a solid colored bar over the original watermark as another commenter suggested. If I ever upload another movie the mistake won’t be repeated.
@LizFrith 4 ай бұрын
I love the hitchcock challenge videos SO MUCH! Great, great work. I hope you resume the series!
@Anrheiner111 4 ай бұрын
Guys, what has happened to that wonderful project??? I was just starting with Pleasure Garden,... and now I learn, you just did 6 films.... .
@leefrancis48 4 ай бұрын
The camera work on this movie is terrific. Most movies of this period have static cameras. This one doesn't miss a chance to become part of the action. Phenomenal.
@alandesouzacruz5124 5 ай бұрын
King vidor one my favorite directors
@cliquebait-oui 5 ай бұрын
😅 so annoying
@cliquebait-oui 5 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for the next episode!!!
@TonyWud 5 ай бұрын
You had me until "eckspecialy"
@moroniclogic 5 ай бұрын
Dang it. Story of my life. 😕
@cliquebait-oui 24 күн бұрын
You never screwed up a word? Pfft.
@gavincastletonmusic 5 ай бұрын
This is gonna be great!
@jimfryer1 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this, so amazing to see!
@robertjohnson4246 6 ай бұрын
Some of the finest cinematography in the history of Hollywood came at the end of the silent movie era, and this movie is a prime example of it.
@cliffordnewell2445 6 ай бұрын
"The Crowd" was the greatest American silent film of all time.
@SunnyGirlFlorida 6 ай бұрын
Wow, I've never seen such realistic, emotional acting in such an old film. Thanks for haring this. The music is very good.
@TheFamousRleon 6 ай бұрын
One of the most saddest silent films I’ve watched from Hollywoodland. 😢 Beautiful.
@colejacobs1000 7 ай бұрын
This music makes the movie even more poignant. Thank you for this.
@barcalona55 8 ай бұрын
😹I hope my life doesn’t get so bad that I crawl back to my wife that doesn’t love me 😹
@thom6746 8 ай бұрын
A great film. Too bad they didn't use the Carl Davis score.
@moroniclogic 3 ай бұрын
@@thom6746 The Carl Davis score is still protected by copyright as he wrote it for the film in 1981! It’s a great score, just not available to us KZbin plebs yet.
@kmterpin 8 ай бұрын
Had seen “Our Daily Bread” months before ‘The Crowd’, and now know that this ‘John & Mary’ couple is the same in both film stories, but portrayed by different actors. Sadly, actor John Murray of The Crowd’ had fallen victim to despondency in real life & rejected to act in ‘Our Daily Bread’ when offered the role. He was found dead in the Hudson River at 35yo. Beautiful Eleanor Boardman was King Vidor’s wife who retreated early from acting. The notes added here under DESCRIPTION are of great interest.
@benjaminguzman8645 7 ай бұрын
I love Our Daily Bread I first watched it long ago with my class in my first year of middle school. One question though if Our Daily Bread is a sequel to this movie, then where is John and Mary’s son? I have a theory that maybe they send their son to a boarding school or maybe due to the depression and financial issues they’re having they send their kid to be with a relative, maybe Mary’s brothers
@kmterpin 6 ай бұрын
@@benjaminguzman8645 Maybe they were just betting/hoping that would not be thought about...I know I didn't -- interesting that you did! 😃
@reneruizvoice 8 ай бұрын
Great episode and wonderful co-host. Loved the insights. No notes or corrections here. It’s all been said in the episode and in the comments. Keep pressing on!
@jessagoldstein3682 8 ай бұрын
Watching this again takes me back to January and helps me forget we are halfway through the year.
@caseye6677 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this great walk through The Mountain Eagle story! Any idea if the short story "Fear o" God" exists somewhere?
@borntobone 9 ай бұрын
Interesting to see this. I'm leaning toward it being intended to depict laudanum. I've seen explicit mention of laudanum in some 1910s films.
@dwaynelanclos2588 9 ай бұрын
TCM is celebrating the 100th anniversary of MGM this month and airing a 3-part documentary from 1992 on the history of MGM. I watched part one last night covering the years up to 1936 and the death of Irving Thalberg and "Trader Horn" received prominent mention. At MGM, the only thing worse than turning out a bad movie was turning out one that was over budget and W.S. "Woody" Van Dyke could be relied on to complete a movie within budget. He was nicknamed "one-take Woody". Nevertheless, with the problems the production encountered while shooting in Africa, "Trader Horn" was getting too expensive. All the dialogue shot outdoors was unusable. They decided to bring the project back to Culver City to reshoot the dialogue scenes. A couple of local chieftans were featured prominently in the story, so they had to bring them back as well. According to the documentary, they refused to reside with Americans and a couples of tents were set up for them on the MGM lot. (IMDb trivia says no hotel would accept the two African men, so maybe that's why alternate living arrangements had to be found.) The production supplied the two chiefs with food, liquor and eventually women. Maureen O'Sullivan said Woody Van Dyke had so much African footage left over from the "Trader Horn" shoot that it was used in the "Tarzan" movies she did with him.
@moroniclogic 9 ай бұрын
Another bit of analysis I noticed after the video posted is the picture at 47:18 of Beatrice. She is clearly fiddling with a wedding ring on her ring finger, suggesting this to be a scene where she has either been proposed to, or is simply worried about Fear O' God! As Sam mentions in the video, it is pretty wild how many photos exist from this film, and the amount of information we can glean just from the images.
@jessagoldstein3682 9 ай бұрын
“I was tracking all the nasty things he said,” YEAH SARAH!
@charliewest1221 9 ай бұрын
Bless you, infinitely, Moroniclogic, for doing God's work - you bring so much joy to lovers of film classics. Bless you for this labour of love.
@dwaynelanclos2588 9 ай бұрын
Further proof of what a miserable person Louis B. Mayer was. Actress Helen Hayes called him "the devil incarnate...He was an untalented, mean, vicious, vindictive person." Directory Marshall Neilan said the "L.B." stood for "Lousy Bastard". He was the Harvey Weinstein of his era. Right after the first Academy Awards ceremony, he called in Anita Page, star of "The Broadway Melody" for "special favors", saying he could make her an even bigger star. She rejected his advances and by 1936 was out of acting. This is from the first chapter of "Oscar Wars" by Michael Schulman. This chapter also discusses the impact talkies had on the industry. There was good reason to believe that sound in pictures was just a fad because it had been tried before over the years and proved to be just that. It took the star power of Al Jolson to make it something people wanted to experience. Jack Warner was a big believer in the technology but his penny-pinching brother Harry only saw it as a gadget that would help small theaters who couldn't afford a good piano player. And once it caught on, no one had any idea how to act in a sound picture. Would it be like acting in a stage play? Or more like acting in a silent film? Or something else?
@eileen1820 9 ай бұрын
King Vidor married Eleanor Boardman, I'm pretty sure.
@harrietamidala1691 9 ай бұрын
This is the earliest Oscar’s ceremony where I have seen all the best picture nominees.
@nanasewdear 9 ай бұрын
There is an alternate ending, is there not? I may be forgetting but it seems like the first time I saw this film that the ending was not so upbeat. Either way, it is a masterpiece. Thanks for your work adding a score.
@moroniclogic 9 ай бұрын
According to "King Vidor's The Crowd" by Jordan Young, there were a few alternate endings, with at least three filmed, though as far as I know this is the only one that still exists. (The others are either lost or in somebody's private collection.) Here's the endings the book lists- 1. (possibly not filmed) Sims begs Bert for his old job back; meanwhile, an ambulance rushes by with Mary on the stretcher. She has "turned on the gas to end it all." Sims carries her home and she opens her eyes after he tries desperately to resuscitate her, hugging John and Junior. 2. (this one was in the script AND has at least one photo available, so MAYBE was filmed?) After contemplating suicide, John visits Bert and asks for his old job back. Bert offers him a better job, one that will lead to his, once Bert moves up again. John arrives home telling Mary he is "a new man" but she doesn't believe him and they fight. Her brother hurls John against a wall, but Mary comes to his defense. This scene cuts to the future, of Mary and John very old. A nurse calls Mary away, and his hand falls limp. Mary returns- "John, John! wake up, we have a great grandson." but the script then says "John doesn't wake up again. Life has marched by." 3. (The studio ending. This one WAS filmed and was played in at least a few theaters- but the public hated it.) John, Mary, and Junior are seen at home, celebrating Christmas; Mary's mother and brother's are visiting, with one brother dressed as Santa. the scene ends as follows: CU of John: "You're the most beautiful girl in all the world." CU of John and Mary: "Honest, Johnny...way down deep in my heart I never lost faith in you for a minute." CU of John and Mary, as they embrace. FADE OUT. THE END. Vidor stated that he hated the happy ending, calling it false. According to Variety, both endings were shown the day the film opened at the Capitol Theatre on Broadway. The audience reaction to the "happy ending" was so adverse the studio pulled the print and substituted it with Vidors preferred ending. (the one in this video. Sort of a long answer to your question, but the first time I watched this I thought the ending was really downbeat. Watching it again, I sort of feel more optimistic about it, so I wonder if our interpretations just change based on how we perceive it. I guess it's meant to be sort of ambiguous. Anyway, thanks for the question.
@nanasewdear 9 ай бұрын
@@moroniclogic Thank you so much. I'm in my late 60's and it's been at least 30 years since I last saw the movie. I am just as impressed as I was the first time I saw it.
@kristo1981 3 ай бұрын
@@moroniclogic For me it was clearly happy ending. Actually I didn't expect happy end, I thought it would be a 'reverse American dream', starts so well and then gradually fades.
@dwaynelanclos2588 9 ай бұрын
Welcome back, Kenny! Was so looking forward to this episode having recently rewatched "It Happened One Night", "The Thin Man", and "Imitation of Life". I stopped the video midway and watched "The Gay Divorcee", but it's not in the same ballpark as any of these three. I agree with you that "It Happened One Night" was the best movie. I'm surprised that "Cleopatra" was your first Cecil B. DeMille movie. I would have thought that you had seen "The Ten Commandments" before now. Watching movies from this era, you have to get used to the I-just-met-you-and-want-to-marry-you trope. To me, it's code for "I want to sleep with you." Today, it is not unusual in movies and TV to portray a couple meeting and immediately falling into bed. But you couldn't have that in the days of the Hays Code, so you have couples constantly falling in love at first sight and wanting to get married right away. It's the early to mid-century portrayal of hooking up. What books have you consulted for background on the Oscars? Yesterday at the library I picked up a recent book from Michael Schulman called "Oscar Wars: A History of Hollywood in Gold, Sweat, and Tears". Each chapter focuses on an inflection point in the history of Hollywood, illustrated by some Oscars controversy. I've only read the first chapter (on the creation of the Academy and how talkies overturned the industry) thus far, but it seems really good.
@moroniclogic 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, Cecil B. Demile was definitely a blind spot for me. Researching Cleopatra made me want to check out "Four Frightened People", because that seemed like a wild shoot. I'm also interested in checking out his silent version of The Ten Commandments before we get to the 56 version. The main books I've been relying on are "The Academy Awards: The Complete Unofficial History" by Jim Piazza and Gail Kinn (That book is more of an overview with plenty of pictures and lists) and "Behind the Oscar: The Secret History of the Academy Awards" by Anthony Holden. The Holden book is a bit more in depth and gets into the numbers (how many members etc) and nitty gritty of what was happening behind the scenes. That book I basically just read along with as I go. I'm going to check out the Schulman book though!
@kristierichey4556 9 ай бұрын
She is holding a ball of yarn, and he has the rest of the skein of yarn around his hands. Helping her to wind the skein into a ball.
@moroniclogic 9 ай бұрын
Wow, you are totally right! Taking the two pictures together (and assuming it was a scene represented in the film) that might mean the two are having a private moment together in the cabin before Fear O'. God is taken by surprise and handcuffed from behind. Another possible early moment of suspense by Hitchcock. Thanks for posting!
@rjmcallister1888 10 ай бұрын
Eleanor Boardman was one of MGM's more underrated stars of the 1920's; always nice to look at.
@cojaysea 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely love this film and also the tragic story of James Murray the lead in the film .
@eliasjosequintanaduarte3897 11 ай бұрын
A masterpiece
@jellyhelm 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting. Here b/c Mark Cousin's "The Story of Film." Enjoyed it very much. Emotionally very ahead of its time. I think it would make a good double feature with Chantal Akerman's "News From Home" (1976) 🙂
@dwaynelanclos2588 11 ай бұрын
Turner Classic Movies will be airing "The Crowd" on March 1.
@willieluncheonette5843 Жыл бұрын
masterpiece silent