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@kirillz.4657 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the idea! Simply put, you released two regular singles from humbucker, am I right?
@ZeroMod 9 ай бұрын
Hi - I do not understand your question. "released two regular singles" ? the bars extend the magnetic field of the two coils outward. If you want to buy the pickup I modded in this video it is available .
@kirillz.4657 9 ай бұрын
I may have formed the question incorrectly. The real "toaster", as far as I know, is not a humbucker. And the Chinese did exactly that, so it seemed to me that you "split" these two coils so that they work like two ordinary single-coil pickups. I'm not good at these issues, that's why I made this assumption.@@ZeroMod
@kirillz.4657 9 ай бұрын
The other day I made an order for the Chinese to manufacture such a bass, only with the correction of some design flaws of the Chinese copies.@@ZeroMod
@ZeroMod 9 ай бұрын
@@kirillz.4657 OK - no ! I kept it as a humbucker. Yes the original "Toaster" is indeed single coil. I expect you could do that ( run each coil) My goal was just to get the E and G outputs up to match A and D. and INDEED these Chinese copies can have many odd changes. Big one is scale - Real Ric is 33 1/4 the Chinese make them Fender 34 inch plus extra frets so they are really "necky". I custom ordered another one done to real Ric scale and Ric fret count. Even then they still muffed some things up. They like to make them with pickups out of phase (odd) and they most always push the bridge pickup too far bridgeward. Hope your order comes out nice!
@kirillz.4657 9 ай бұрын
Yes, I know these moments with the wrong arrangement of pickups, and that this critically affects the nature of the sound. Therefore, I carried out thorough measurements of the real Rick, made drawings based on them, found the electrical circuit of the desoldering, collected many photos and sent them this technical assignment. Well, of course, it will be with a through neck. Only the "wings" of the body are not made of maple, but of linden.@@ZeroMod
@rx7carl Жыл бұрын
I could watch that for hours lol 👍
@barbaraepsaro2718 2 жыл бұрын
The singer looks like Eddie G
@ZeroMod 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. He would consider that a compliment!
@barbaraepsaro2718 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod wasvthe gig in NJ
@leftygeezer 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. My Chickenbacker seems to have the REAR pickup wired in reverse. Does that seem par for the course?
@ZeroMod 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I don't get the whole "front - rear" thing? You mean the small humbucker at the bottom of the neck? (to me it's neck /bridge"!) And YEA - that is the standard thing they do on most Chinabackers. Since it is a coax cable from the pickup you need to crack it open like i did in this video to switch the wiring. I do not recall the wiring on the bridge unit (been too many years since I did this) But you could reverse that instead.
@leftygeezer 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod its the single coil at the bridge position. It's certainly out of phase, and has that quacky, mayonnaise jar tone. In the middle position its worse, but turning down the bridge pickup helps alot. I like the bass overall, and I think a proper rick-style bridge will solve much. The neck pickup will benefit from wax potting. Your video got my gears turning.
@ZeroMod 2 жыл бұрын
@@leftygeezer There is a lot you can do with these basses for sure. Not to start a ruckus but I never believed bridges effect "tone". They sure do effect playability and setup! I have basses with Babicz, Badass, Schaller, Ric and Fender bridges and have swapped many out and around over my 50 years of playing. That said "your mileage may vary". The bridges I have seen on these are actually pretty good once you correct for the tragic radius issues! On that I refer to the one that looks kind of like a Ric bridge? (some have a Music Man style bridge) If not seen, my other video covers shimming the D and A saddles to fix the radius. But a better bridge is not a bad thing. The other I have of these basses now has a Badass II bridge and BOTH pickups replaced. Neck position has an EMG Thunderbird humbucker and the bridge spot has a Delano JMVC 4 FE/M2
@ZeroMod 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your experiments!
@leftygeezer 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod I did shims on A and D and it does correct it. But those cylinder shaped saddles just fall out with no string pressure. Thanks for your research on these diamonds in the rough!
@ZeroMod 3 жыл бұрын
it is clear a lot of deeply ignorant people have NO CLUE how much it costs to do limited production by CNC in the USA. Not everything is made in China for peanuts.
@rx7carl Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Comments are now on review. Hopefully the adults in the room and those with better than room temperature IQ will prevail. This video has served its purpose of supplying some solid info on this situation and I thank all the contributors in "comments" who added to that. Sadly a parade of trolls and asshats (people who sorely need to get a life) have peed in the pool. Carry on....
@brianjenks3864 4 жыл бұрын
So far Chinabacker seems better. Seeing as Riks are Way overpriced and not very versatile go with the chicken
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Many feel as you do. If (IF) you can get one with the major defects corrected (scale length build quality) . Biggest issue is the proliferation of resellers and quality all over the map. That of course assumes you have no qualms about "counterfeits" which is a topic unto itself. My review was not in support of, or condemnation of these. Just an attempt to see what they really are. They have fans for sure - and a sizable "hate brigade!"
@MellowCorn-xs8bn 4 жыл бұрын
The old 4001 has a single truss rod
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Cool~! Never saw one old enough . Good to know. But then, these are not 4001 copies, just a messy general bag of features. Using Fender scale and Fender fingerboard geometry is the oddest part.
@MellowCorn-xs8bn 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod Wait my mistake, both the 4001 and the 4003 have dual truss rods.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
@@MellowCorn-xs8bn I think the diff that happened was when they switched to the true doubles from the "folded" - single piece like a hairpin? Those were the older ones used until the early 70s I read.
@damned1444 4 жыл бұрын
Mic are not the same, unfair...
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, no....recording path is identical for all. Amp set to neutral NO FX. recorded on a TASCAM DR100MKII. Play demo between 4003S and the Chinabacker - identical signal and recording path.
@zsujsk 4 жыл бұрын
wow Chinabacker sounds cool~
@brosefmcman8264 4 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand the problem with "knock Off" guitars. The quality in materials and setup are subpar at best. The only thing you're getting is the ENORMOUS price reduction!
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. All you say is true. But with Rics there is a "culture war" element it seems. People shrug at Fender or Gibson knockoffs but get glowing red eyes and foaming at the mouth when they see a Ric knockoff. Probably because Ric the company has worked hard to gin up that feeling. Now I OWN two real Rics. And have worked on many for people and worked on / modified some of the knockoffs for people. But i STILL believe Ric should license a deal like the other major bass makers, and have an entry level instrument out there. But that is a very unpopular opinion in the Ric community.
@orionsharmony9845 4 жыл бұрын
is it worthy to put some original rickenbacker pickups on the fake one?
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
You really cannot do that! Watch my 2nd video about pickups... The Chinese made these with Fender string spacing NOT Ric! so Ric pickups will NOT line up worth squat....
@lostcar26 4 жыл бұрын
All arguments and comparisons aside. Would you really want to buy a cheaper instrument you constantly have to defend?
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, interesting point... All the "defending" has more to do with the Cult of Ric than a marginal copy. The world is brimming with crummy P Bass copies and nobody cares. Copy a Ric, (poorly or well) and the torch bearing mob gathers! Said it many times in this comment section - Wish Ric would just produce a solid licensed copy like all the other majors have been doing for years.
@monkymonk6 4 жыл бұрын
The Chinese Backer sounded way better than the real thing. Seriously.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it s up to the player what is "good". The big issues with these copies are playability stuff more than what they sound like. The screw up with the bridge design virtually guarantees you cannot set it up for max performance. Most of the shortcomings are just corner cutting laziness.
@monkymonk6 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod I agree. Sound is one thing, but if it does not play well, then what is the point? I have had a few copies in the past, most were lousy, and a scant few were very good. That is the chance you take from buying a guitar before playing it.
@ITTAPUPU12 4 жыл бұрын
Dude I hope you changed your tone🤣
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Not a chance. I have many different "tones" for different situations. Post a video of YOUR "awesome tone " dude. if you want a clue - check out the Chinabacker live gig video on my channel "dude".
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, listened to the "music" video on your channel.... WOW.... Your drummer sounds like a cabinet of kitchenware pushed down a stairwell. You have the generic grindy burptone I have heard in every Guitar Center I ever walked into
@b4truthlynn434 4 жыл бұрын
i played a 4003s for many years. i also noticed the chinabacker back pick up is closer to the bridge. i am one of those guys that if i want to "dig in " i play closer to the bridge. I dont care for the chinabacker being closer to the bridge
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
It absolutely changes the tonal issue. But the odd choice of a Ric copy pickup for neck and a Music Man style big pole hot wound single coil for bridge is REALLY the problem. Totally mismatched in terms of output. The position is strange as they copied so many things fairly accurately (headstock) yet ? I really think whoever rendered this copy does not play bass and esp not Rics. It was just a job for them. You *can* get custom run off ones with many of these issues set straight for quite a bit more $$
@b4truthlynn434 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod can see that would be a problem. I've recently looked at a website selling these china copys for around 400 bucks, from china. Pics looks good. But. 400 bucks for a copy really screamed at me. I couldn't help but think scam. Lol. Thanks for the video.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
@@b4truthlynn434 Is a messy market to be sure. Quality is ALL OVER the map. Seen and worked on some that are good "not great"(close to Epiphone quality) and some that are pretty shabby. Even the better ones STILL use substandard fret wire. An odd thing to cut corners on.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
If you pursue one, get a custom and spell out clearly with picture illustrations what you want! (pickup placement etc.) also make sure you get "neck thru" (most are glued in) and actual Ric scale no Fender scale.
@b4truthlynn434 4 жыл бұрын
Zero mod thanks for the reply. Keep on doing what your doing. Rock on bro
@notnintendo5523 4 жыл бұрын
You suck at bass Guitar
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, blow me...As usual for a blowhard asshat - your channel IS EMPTY of ANY work of your own. So get a life chump.
@patrickjosephtobin8014 4 жыл бұрын
i like it . give me a link dude.
@patrickjosephtobin8014 4 жыл бұрын
you got a link?
@HernanZitoZin 4 жыл бұрын
you can find them on aliexpress...just look for "rickenbacker replica". a lot of options, even Lemmy's signature one.
@ChrisJohnsonChannel 4 жыл бұрын
I’m sure others have noted too that the fakenbackers use those cheep black plastic control knobs instead of the correct rickenbacker knobs. And it’s a dead giveaway when u see black knobs. There are fakes on Reverb selling for 2,997.98 and you emediatly know it’s fake because of the black control knobs 😂
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
I will go with that - but given the magnitude and number of other issues? Even if they gave you "genuine" knobs you got a buttload of problems to sort out!!!
@bassdaze 4 жыл бұрын
guitar player playing bass, wow what a joke
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah asshat. 45 years playing and building basses. I notice your COMPLETELY EMPTY YT page... Another douchebag full of opinions of the work of better men.
@chrissmith2374 4 жыл бұрын
I don't care if the ric was hand carved my blind mute descendants of George Washington himself and signed by the US founding fathers, it's an over rated shit bass. The only way any ric is playable is after you run it through so many stomp boxes that it isn't a ric anymore.
@edwincancelii2917 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not crazy about counterfeits either.
@mercury8117 4 жыл бұрын
The chinabacker sounds really good but if it was made in usa from exactly the same materials it would cost an awful lot more of course. Many people would love to own the real thing ( me included) but simply cannot afford one so in that respect i can understand why they would buy one. For me i will stick with my squire jaguar ( troy sanders version ) until i can afford a real rick or a top notch fender.
@jasonhowell5362 4 жыл бұрын
The chinabacker has a nice sound to be fair, and also your a good bass player which complemented the video, Good job
@stephenborg2881 4 жыл бұрын
Play ability is what we need to know, what was the action like,is it heavy,is it comfortable to play, as for the sound , I think the chinabacker had a much brighter sound ,would I buy one after hearing it , yes I would ,
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
As said in the review and several times in follow up comments attached -This bass was UNPLAYABLE out of the box.. Recutting the nut was mandatory. The incorrectly radius-ed bridge also has to be addressed to get what any serious player calls playability. Yes, MUCH heavier than it should be as it is not made of Basswood (as advertised) but made of Chinese Elm. Which only leads back to the big problem - massive inconsistency. Depending on which of the hundreds of sellers you go with . I suspect ALL are coming from the same or a few factories but the QC standards a particular seller demands? There are also some operations making demonstrably better versions for quite a bit more $$ - $400-$500 as opposed to $250.
@bobbyfields7359 4 жыл бұрын
China Backer sounds better to my ear! More range and punch. Being it’s wired LP style I wonder if you rolled off the volume a bit if it would clean up and be closer to the traditional sound?
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
The "stock" pickups on a Chinabacker are not capable of sounding really like Ric pickups. VERY DIFFERENT pickups! The bridge unit is a single coil very hot wound with huge MusicMan pole pieces, You will NEVER get the high end articulation out of that pickup. The neck pickup is a humbucker, and with very low output compared to the bridge unit. Dumping the bridge unit and putting in a more full range pickup would get you closer. But due to the strange string spacing you CANNOT just stick in a Ric pickup.
@nflbetteroldstyle 4 жыл бұрын
thanks
@Mike_the_Barbarian 4 жыл бұрын
I get the temptation to buy one of these. They run between 350 and 450 from the decent china shops but put mods in it, new bridge, better pickups, some fret work.. you're likely halfway to buying a gently used 4003. I was just looking at a new 4003w from musicians friend for 1567.00. Not cheap by any stretch, but I could probably get a decent used one for 1200. I did buy a china made 620 style 12 string from Thomann but that's because I couldn't justify paying 1500 for a 12 string electric when I know I'll rarely use it and Harley Benton doesn't claim its a Rickenbacker. If you buy the china, just accept it'll be a project.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, pretty much . I have seen a few and none have been fully ready to play and use out of the box. None have been what I would deem worthwhile, (even after extensive corrections) - without upgrades (pickups bridge etc) so indeed reason to pause and consider.
@willdunlop4929 4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting comparison, raising a whole can of ethical worms! By producing a distinctively styled and voiced bass, but pricing it way out of the reachability of most bass players' pockets, Rickenbacker are prime targets for the Chinese entrepreneurial spirit. On the evidence in this video, they have produced an instrument with a very similar spec/sound/aesthetic to the original at a tenth of the cost. Of course people are going to buy it!!!!!! Is that ethically right or wrong? I don't know. But................. ............following on from watching this video I went on the DHGate website on November 13th 2019 and investigated their 'Ric' basses. 11.11 discounts were still being offered and I saw a 'Rickenbacker 4001/4003 Walnut Through-neck Bass' being offered for (including 11.11 and first-time buyers' discounts)..............£79...........$93!! This included a case and free postage UK!! As a bass player who'd always dreamed of owning a Ric I gave in and ordered one!! Will it be any good?.....Will it actually arrive?.....Is it a con?.....Am I selling my soul to the devil?....I don't know. I'm tracking it online and it's now half way to the UK. When/if it arrives, I'll update this message and let you judge!!
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, for sure. As I have said ad nausium - Ric should join the rest of the high end makers and offer their own "knockoff". Like MusicMan. Gibson, Fender, Sadowsky , Tobias, G&L, and most others. Trouble is it is impossible to effectively convey in a video - the haphazard quality (or lack thereof) in these copies !!! Some better than others, many requiring a LOT of work to be playable, arriving unplayable out of the box. Even after much work, they have deficiencies that may or may not be acceptable to a player. The INCORRECT mix of string spacing and the "copy toaster" pickup was profoundly annoying to me. (see my other video)
@HernanZitoZin 4 жыл бұрын
did you like it??
@rf396 4 жыл бұрын
From 8:37 to 9:00 do my ears deceive me or is that Dirty Harry scene music you're playing?
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Damned if I know! Will have to ask my friend who is doing the playing and get back to you.
@joepetro5749 4 жыл бұрын
What a waste of time comparison' STOP BUYING CHINESE crap.Why nott compare two Ricks 10years apart ? Maybe some of us would watch the whole vid instead of 30 secs of it. Hard to watch lol
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Go make one. If you have no interest in the Chinese copy phenomenon that's on you. Don't watch what doesn't interest you! I own two 2006 Rics and don't care if they are or are not like older ones. They are fine by me.
@salvatoredaniele8020 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative Dave
@trev3050 4 жыл бұрын
Having two truss rods is such a stupid useless idea ... ricks sound okay but belong in a dumpster
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
May seem that way if you do not have a lot of experience building or working on long neck basses. But it was a brilliant solution for its time. Allowing a thinner more stable neck than ANY Fender in the day. Now, you have double action truss rods (but they weigh quite a bit) and graphite reinforced insert bars, both of which accomplish the goal.
@evanmurphy6640 4 жыл бұрын
My view is that copies are kind of scummy and all but who wants to pay 2000 for a name tag? Companies like ric really need to lower their prices and then we will boycott copies. As of now I don't see the copy companies as criminals, I see the original companies as scummy.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Understandable. My preferred solution is a licensed quality copy like soooo many other major companies have done. The G&L Tributes the Fender Squiers and MIMs, Gibson's Epiphone, Music Man's Sterling, etc etc etc.
@stevenschoenfeld5751 4 жыл бұрын
Great video; Chinabacker I like that name better; you look a lot like Glen Campbell ; they both sound great to me but the real winner is clearly the real Rickenbacker looks way better 👍♥️👋👏😷
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There's way worse people to "look like" for sure .
@pskemster 4 жыл бұрын
It’s wired backwards?
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
In that the wipers are reversed yes. there are two ways to wire volume pots, unofficially speaking - the Gibson way and the Ric way - Wiper to pickup is Ric wiper to output is Gibson. both have advantages.
@pskemster 4 жыл бұрын
Well said! Great explanation.
@poseidon5003 4 жыл бұрын
It sounds okay. But it doesn't sound like a Rickenbacker.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
due to the drastically different pickups? Would be amazing if it did.
@poseidon5003 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod If they swapped the pickups, I bet it still wouldn't.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
@@poseidon5003 on that we do not really agree- pickups make up 90% of the sound of an electric instrument. But people believe what they want. It would certainly not feel and play like a Ric no matter what pickups you put in it.
@poseidon5003 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod Alrighty.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
@@poseidon5003 Bigger issue? The placement of the bridge pickup being so far off where Ric has it, creates major issues. If you see my other video, even swapping pickups in these is problematic ! The form factor of the neck pickup does indeed follow Ric design but they use Fender string spacing with it which is just an awful idea. So we DO agree there is no easy way to turn these into "really like a Ric"
@arnaldofeitosa1605 4 жыл бұрын
Caracas, 4003S tem um som maravilhoso
@Sjrm126 4 жыл бұрын
You can also call it a fakenbacker
@worstxb1playertylerteehc635 4 жыл бұрын
I have an 80's Cimar Lawsuit Ric Bass Guitar. What sort of value does it have ?
@worstxb1playertylerteehc635 4 жыл бұрын
77 infact
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
@@worstxb1playertylerteehc635 Honestly I have no idea! Best to post in Talkbass about it.
@johnturnbull1942 4 жыл бұрын
Purist BS aside, I concur with many of the comments that the Chinabacker holds it's own, perhaps has even a better tone.
@ZeroMod 4 жыл бұрын
Certainly possible. Since most of the "tone" of an electric inst comes from the pickups. In any case the Chinabacker is a problematic beast due to the fit n' finish / legal issues.
@amyrogers7628 5 жыл бұрын
As cheaply made as it probably is, a Rickenbacker with dual humbuckers and extra frets sounds far more appealing to me than a regular 4001/4003
@ZeroMod 5 жыл бұрын
You would think...But the geometry of that humbucker is wrong for the string spacing (!) (See my video on the subject,) And the pairing of a very low output neckpickup with a crazy hot midrangy bridge pickup really doesn't give you a lot to work with.. That bridge unit is a single coil - not a humbucker.
@priaberkumistipiss 5 жыл бұрын
chickenbacker
@ZeroMod 5 жыл бұрын
?? So what?
@marshallposey2063 5 жыл бұрын
China does nothing but rip people and patents off. Garbage.
@ZeroMod 5 жыл бұрын
They DO that for sure. But not true that is all they do - Your iPhone is made in China, as is a LOT of high tech gear. They will make things as well or as poorly as you are willing to pay for. The lack of scruples is not a lack of know how.
@mrdayvidjon 5 жыл бұрын
Hey do you own that modular synth in the background? And if you want to sell it to me I’ll come over now
@ZeroMod 5 жыл бұрын
Hah! No, sorry...My buddy owns it - The guy doing the demo playing. He is one of the world's foremost restoration and repair guys on Moog gear. He was just working with The Who this past weekend, and regularly travels all over the world to do tech work on this stuff. That is his own personal rig!
@gabet3754 5 жыл бұрын
Whomever thinks the Chibacker is any good, is a dirty red Communist!
@lartensgrill6106 5 жыл бұрын
Wow I was not expecting that. Very good tone on the chinabacker.
@ZeroMod 5 жыл бұрын
Most of the issues with these are not tonal, they are structural/playability issues. After all, tone is in the ear of the beholder - But hard to play is pretty much recognized by all.
@lartensgrill6106 5 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroMod very valid points. Thanks for uploading the informative video.
@ZeroMod 5 жыл бұрын
@@lartensgrill6106 Most welcome! I did not set out to slag them or praise them - just try and offer some honest info. Saw so many dumb videos where a guy says "here's my new copy Ric! it's awesome !" With zero specifics. I just hope those considering such a purchase are more aware of the pitfalls (legal ethical and technical)
@miltonmagik 5 жыл бұрын
I would absolutely NOT buy I counterfit like the chinabaker. Getting a réplica is just like dating girls with silicon Boobies.