Most people - like me - will accept 3 minutes waiting times versus 1min30s. And games are not all AAA: for instance I play Civilization V that still runs smoothly on a 2015 MBP. So it's good to see a video that's talks about "normal" uses, instead of selling higher and higher specs for daily tasks just to gain 1 minute in a Lightroom export.
@drnDarnells14 сағат бұрын
thumbs up
@JarppaGuru17 сағат бұрын
its all old story this is said every time new model
@davision-en11 сағат бұрын
And that doesn't make it true? As far as I know you never got a better PC for 700€ or 600$. And the last model had to less memory in the base config to make all of this work fine.
@JohnnyLeuthard23 сағат бұрын
The base model of the Mac Mini feels like a bait-and-switch. Apple lures you in with an attractive price, but the reality is that the 256GB SSD isn't practical for most users. Unless your needs are limited to email and basic web browsing, you'll quickly hit storage limits, especially if you have an iPhone full of photos. Expanding storage externally means dealing with slower USB drives, and upgrading directly through Apple is exorbitant. For example, upgrading to just 512GB of storage (still barely enough for many) and adding 8GB of RAM costs nearly **double** the price of the base model. Charging $200 for adding 8GB of RAM is outrageous and typical of Apple. Even if you rely on iCloud to offset storage limitations, you're still locked into a costly monthly subscription (starting around $25/month), further inflating the total cost over time. In the end, the base price is just the tip of the iceberg-most users will pay far more than they initially intended.Not to mention you are putting all your data into someone else's hands and trusting them 100% not to lose it and to decide at any moment you violated some agreement and locking you out of your data. So either way you are paying way more than you intended and getting less than you expected for the price.
@davision-en20 сағат бұрын
You can move you home folder to an external SSD and install and run Applications from external drives. The 16GB RAM are fine and the SSD will be upgradeable in the future hopefully.
@ovi_4Күн бұрын
How about 3D modeling ??? Does anybody know how is behaving when running Sketchup on it ??? That's the very reason I'm thinking weather to buy one or not . I've looked everywhere for this answer but couldn't find any (so far)
@wisdomyaw03Күн бұрын
You used a lot of outdated benchmarks that aren’t optimized for Apple silicon or some even deprecated like OpenCL GPU test in Geekbench. Cinebench r23 is an Intel benchmark that needs to be translated through Rosseta 2. Why not use Cinebench 2024, which is optimized for Apple silicon?
@davision-enКүн бұрын
Thats both not true. Apple Supports OpenCL as well nothing translated there and Cinebench r23 is also a Native Apple Silicon App. 🤷🏽♂️
@wisdomyaw03Күн бұрын
No! Just do a little bit of research and find out what I’m talking about. 1. OpenCL is a deprecated API Apple abandoned long ago when they switch to Metal. It still works in macOS, but it’s no longer being improved or updated. Metal is Apple’s officially supported API that all the major and modern apps use. 2. Cinebench r23(not Cinebench 2024) uses Intel binary to run its benchmark. It’s therefore translated through Rosseta 2 on Apple silicon systems. This is known by industry experts who know how the benchmark works. Cinebench 2024 is the natively supported Apple silicon version. Just read their release note on their website when they announced the new benchmark where they stated that this one is optimized for Apple silicon.
@davision-en11 сағат бұрын
@@wisdomyaw03 wow, how can someone be so confident in his bullshit? First of all, I'm not a developer, I'm a user and I can use OpenCL and OpenGL on MacOS even if Apple says Metal is the Way to go, but how should I compare a Mac against a Windows Mini with Metal? It's not possible. On Cinebench you are completely wrong. In fact CB r23 was one of the first native Apple Silicon Apps cack in 2020. You can google that yourself. Just try "cinebench r23 apple silicon".
@ChrisPollardКүн бұрын
At 19:57 you say apps can't be installed on external SSDs ... but I believe you are incorrect. The Application folder can be moved to an external SSD. You can also install to the internal SSD and then move the applications to an external drive. I don't have my Mini yet (two more days), but I've been researching it a fair bit and found many sources showing how it works. You just need to be sure your SSD stays attached, or the app vanishes too. I went ahead and ordered a 2TB Gen 4x4 SSD with a Thunderbolt 40Gbps enclosure and installing apps to the external drive was my plan from day one. Hopefully everything I've read and watched wasn't wrong about that. From testing I've viewed, the base 256GB read/write runs around 2,500MB/s and may actually be slightly slower than an external SSD running at full speed. But those are still faster than most people are getting from whatever system they are coming from and won't feel the least bit sluggish for non-professional use, where you'd want the M4 Pro/Max/Ultra anyway.
@davision-enКүн бұрын
Applications Folder can’t be moved to SSD and they can be installed just if the App is bigger then one GB.
@JustMe-tk4poКүн бұрын
@Davidson what would be equivalent of the base m4 mini on performance ladder compared to desktop pc (not mini)? For all but gaming. I am considering 7950x and 4090 or a base model mini and air. Eventually a Mac Studio m4. But wondering if the pc spec above would clearly be superior for non gaming workloads or if Mac is surprisingly close
@davision-enКүн бұрын
In Single Core Performance the best Intel and AMD CPUs come just close to the M4 Performance. A 4090 System will be better in some Video Editing workloads but that also highly depends on what you are doing. Just basic editing of 4K with Grading it will just give you a higher power bill and some shorter Export times.
@BillyLuna2 күн бұрын
New sub here. Great channel. Would you be so kind as to answer a few questions. I mostly use Final Cut Pro & Photoshop to create videos on my Billy Luna Crime Stories YT channel. I am working in 1080p, but plan to start working in 4k. Currently I am Using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SSD (2TB & 4TB) to edit off whilst using FCP. 1) For my needs, which exact configuration of the new M4 Mac Mini should I get? (Pro or no, RAM, SSD) 2) Can I get maximum speed via Thunderbolt 4 or 5 using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SSD? 3) Is there any speed or performance advantage in going with a 1 TB SSD vs 512? 4) I’m now leaning toward an M4 PRO MAC MINI 512 SSD & 64 GB - Is this overkill for running Final Cut Pro, Photoshop and 30 web browser tabs open at the same time? 5) Do I need to worry about fan noise when I’m recording on camera video or voice over? I would really like to save $ by not going with the pricey Apple storage & sticking with the externals. Thank you!
@91Designsind2 күн бұрын
my Corel icon is not showing
@PBXCREATOR3 күн бұрын
Suggest me i am editor and colorist in davicni resolve. I am also using after effects. Is this machine is good for my editing task? 16 gb ram or 24 gb ram with 256 ssd. Please tell me sir 🙏
@davision-en2 күн бұрын
This is not suitable for After Effects
@awakensapienКүн бұрын
Y
@MrXxTyphoonxX3 күн бұрын
that oohtra is fire!!!
@perczeld3 күн бұрын
Hello! Would you mind telling me what monitor you use please? Great video, made me really think about upgrading to this thing!
@TheFeedRocket3 күн бұрын
Great review! This was the first review I saw with fan noise, temps, and power consumption. That is some amazingly low power consumption. I wish you had a Pro model to test.
@e-genieclimatique3 күн бұрын
the best video about this topic 🎉
@Sixmyth3 күн бұрын
great review! just Subscribed
@chiscochacon3 күн бұрын
Great review, thanks. If I get this mac mini with 16 gb but in the future need more RAM, is it possible to add it?
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
No like any mac they don't have upgradeable RAM
@jean-charles99314 күн бұрын
Excellent! I was looking for a photo-oriented review and got from you all the info I needed. I think that for Capture One + Topaz and no video making, M4 non-pro and 24 Gb of RAM will put me on the safe side for years. MfG
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Thank you for the Feedback! I also think so! 👌🏼
@WKelleyLucas_KustomScatterguns4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video... This video is 2 years old and Apple still hasn't fixed the issue.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
I just needed it for myself today again 😂
@zigziar4 күн бұрын
1st time viewer, and after having watched many reviews on the mac mini m4 I have to agree with others on your no nonsense approach, and I love the amount of detail you give, a full picture!... thanks +1 subscriber!... P.S. Do people often tell you that you look quite a lot like Post Malone? lol
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Thank you for the feedback and your sub! Never heard that, just some people told me I look like messi.
@chrisfoley.design4 күн бұрын
when do you guys turn off your Mac? very very rarely if anything its a restart
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Yes of course but I mostly use my Power Button to lock my mac.
@doctorkj56404 күн бұрын
Can you define a filmmaker for me please? Is it a director, editor, cinemathographer, vfx artist or something else. This term is so broad that can be really misleading. Editing is technically the least hardware demanding job in all postproduction. So OK. What about colorists? You can hardly even begin to color grade a feature film on mac mini. A VFX artist doing heavy compositing with hundreds of cgi render passes? Don’t even think about it. Oh, silly me, by the term filmmaker you mean just youtubers editing their videos. OK.
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
A filmmaker is referring to someone that makes videi by himself from start to finish. idea, Shoot, Sound, Edit, Grade. Content Creators are also often referred to as Filmmakers but there are a lot of one man show Filmmakers I know that don’t call themselves Director, DP, Colorist or whatever since they do it all. And no, coloring is not a hardware demanding thing. It’s basically a joke for your hardware to apply grading. color Grading is not a problem for the Mini at all. VFC is something totally different. But if you are using VFX you know that you need Most power possible and I don’t talk about VFX here or do I?
@doctorkj56403 күн бұрын
@@davision-en Coloring is a joke for hardware? Seriously? I think you have never been involved in a professional process of color grading. Applying effect or two for YT video is not color grading. And filmmaker is a person involved in film making. And filmmaking is pretty well defined. Google it up.
@porcovacco1934 күн бұрын
Is Microsoft's Cloud Gaming (GamePass) well implemented on these Mac minis?
@Kristof_InsertRandomText4 күн бұрын
Is the Mac Mini M4 base worth getting if the RAM and Storage is upgraded to 24GB and 512GB, or is it purely the chip that will hold back its performance? Here in South Africa upgrading those 2 components is still a lot cheaper than the pro modal.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
At some point the GPU would be holding you back yes. But it highly depends on what you plan on doing with it.
@Kristof_InsertRandomText3 күн бұрын
@@davision-en Photography & Videography - but not at a professional level. I'm a hobbyist but also want something that would last.
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
@@Kristof_InsertRandomText for Photography it doesn't hold you back at all since it even outperforms the M3 Max MBP with 64GB RAM. I create 8-10 Videos a month on a professional level and could do this at the Mini as well just with longer export times.
@Kristof_InsertRandomText3 күн бұрын
@@davision-en awesome, appreciate the responses and guidance 🙏 thanks so much 💪
@adoyer044 күн бұрын
da german comes trough wenn speaking. he tries not to spell like a native english guy as you would learn it in europe.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
You may are surprised to know that native English comes from Europe... How is it possible that People still talk about how a obviously non native speaker has troubles with some words?
@edgarin89074 күн бұрын
Would you recommend me getting the base m4 Mac mini if my only purpose to use it is to edit 4K videos in FCP and doing color grading? And running off external ssds? I don’t think that m4 pro will be necessary and i am trying to avoid paying more for ssd upgrade
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
I have no experience with Final Cut, but I dropped 4K 60 from my R5 II HEVC 4:2:2 into FCP 11 this days and I went just fine as long as you are just cutting and grading. Everything that is GPU Effects will make is much slower. But for Basic Editing and Grading this is just fine.
@jansix42874 күн бұрын
Sponsored by Club Mate.🧉
@vasanthnagkv56544 күн бұрын
What about how hot it gets?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
See in the Video.
@vasanthnagkv56544 күн бұрын
@ ah? I didn’t notice you talking about it. Will check again! Thank you and thank you for the video. Is that club matte beside you? Lovely drink! 😀
@JohnDoe-el5ir4 күн бұрын
The problem is that I’m not photographer nor video maker and even I don’t know persons who is. So apple is lacking software to be used with and the only use is for videos and graphics?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
My but my Channel is facing Photographers and Filmmakers. So maybe this Video is not for you.
@JohnDoe-el5ir4 күн бұрын
@ not my fault that YT served me this
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-el5ir Even the Title says so...
@MarlonCampbell-e3p4 күн бұрын
Needed to hear that! THANKS :D
@ChelseaBangkok4 күн бұрын
Can you recommend a monitor for photographers to go with the Mac Mini 4 ? Thanks !
@zaks74 күн бұрын
Another club mate enjoyer. I see it on your desk! :)
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Loving it! What country are you from? I thought they are just avaiable in Germany?
@zaks74 күн бұрын
@@davision-en I study in germany so I've come here and become a fan of the mate drinks, haha
@valhala734 күн бұрын
Nice video!!!! Which monitor do you think will be the best match for this Mac Mini? All the best
@DidarHussain.4 күн бұрын
Apple marketing genius, "lets introduce the problem, move the start button to a place that gives people something to complain about", waits 3 years then reverses it... apple fan boys go mad and upgrade.
@shauryamishra4 күн бұрын
Fellow photographer here from Berlin, and that bottle on the table it’s super familiar 😂
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
😍 check out my German Channel I post much more Videos over there!
@michaelmanus77654 күн бұрын
I do photo work and at times upscale video etc. From what others have said, the M4 Pro can have fans kick in fairly quick and can be audible. How was your experience? I know that the M4 Pro is more than enough power but consider the footprint of the new Mini may be the culprit for heat dispersion challenges. Your thoughts please?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
As I said in the Video the Fan doesn't even Spin when the CPU is under 100% Load. Just when GPU and CPU are tacked at 100% is starts to be audible but far from annoying. You can hear it in the Video as well.
@krishnansrinivasan8304 күн бұрын
Awesome & Thanks Sir :)
@SchaufussTV4 күн бұрын
Apple Intelligence is available in the EU on the Mac (but not iPhone and iPad), but only if you set the language to US english as that is the only language currently supported.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Yes I know but only in english as you say.
@127bradfordroad4 күн бұрын
This is a great review! Could you tell us more about the SSD drive that you mention....is it an 'over-the-counter' device or did you have to construct it?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
It's a SSD Enclosure where you can put a M.2 SSD Inside. It doesn't need any tools and there aren't any out of the box that are this fast and that cheap. It's the ZIKEDRIVE USB4 Enclosure.
@OraGoog4 күн бұрын
Deutsch wäre besser für dich.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Ich habe einen deutschen Kanal aber was ist dein Problem? 🙄
@OraGoog4 күн бұрын
@@davision-enWieso sprichst du dann nicht deutsch?
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
@@OraGoog Klar spreche ich deutsch aber das hier ist offensichtlich ein Kanal mit englischen Videos...
@xray27854 күн бұрын
Now Since Sequoia 15.1 Apps can be installed on external media when downloaded from the Mac App Store. Other apps can often still be moved to external media and run from it.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Thank you for the Info I will give that a try in the future. :)
@spectrumofreality4 күн бұрын
The power button placement is simple. Every time you power cycle the device, you have to physically pick it up and touch it. This is psychological and a form of pathological priming.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
Maybe next time the power button got switched for a gentle stroke over the Apple logo so the Mini feels your love.
@IKSHITJOSHI4 күн бұрын
Awesome video , Your skill are amazing , You should upload some tutorials 101 for new photographers and editors
@Realist-m9c4 күн бұрын
98c! I wonder how long these components will last at such high temperatures? That is way too hot!
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
The Temperature of the Chip itself doesn't influence it's life time since they are designed for more then 100° for years and silicon doesn't degrade with heat.
@TheFeedRocket3 күн бұрын
Heat is the #1 reason for failures by far. Yes it is true, the chip is fine at 98c, but it's the board and other parts that will degrade or fail over time of high temps. This was a stress test, short period, so 98c is OK, plus Apple certainly designs to get that heat away from other parts, I still prefer lower temps higher fan noise any day. Macs tend to run hot as Apple likes less fan noise, I would use fan control and ramp up the fans, it's still not noisy and yes it can save you from problems. I feel letting the heat go so high is the main reason some Macs end up with board failures. These tiny enclosures and lower fan speeds will lessen the life depending on usage, with M1 MacBooks I saw failures because they ran hot and people would use them on beds or a couch so heat built up instead of dissipating. I don't blame Apple, people want thin, tiny computers and no noise, and I saw failures from heat on all brands.
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
@@TheFeedRocket I think you got this totally wrong, the CPU Die is at 98° not the Board, the PC itself or anything else. It's the CPUs Die Temp nothing more. And no, CPUs don't degrade from high heat.
@davision-en3 күн бұрын
@@TheFeedRocket and this #1 reason for failure it complete nonsense, if you can please provide my with some Sources for Fact Checking. I never heard of a System failing because of high CPU Die temps and I'm a IT professional and was working in IT for 15 Years before getting self employed. I even was a professional overclocker back in the day. I never ever heard that a CPU was failing just because of high Die Temps. No, maybe with High Voltages as well, not the case here. You can even run CPUs without a cooler and they will just throttle as hell but not die.
@TheFeedRocket2 күн бұрын
@@davision-en Maybe it's because you are in Germany and the PC's you had there were not cheaply made, because I have no idea how you never heard of a system failing from high CPU temps. Heat is certainly a top reason for component/system failure here. I didn't say anything about CPU failing from heat, I said the CPU is OK at 98c, especially being a stress test. Where does that heat go? if the manufacturer does things right it is removed through vents or even the case itself as a heatsink. But people do dumb things, they place computers in poorly ventilated locations, fans fail, get dirty, people use laptops on beds, carpets etc. Depending on the usage heat is the thing that cause most failures, not the CPU failing, but the board and components on the board fail from sustained high heat which comes from the CPU mostly. PCs board failures I fixed back in the day were over 50% heat related, even some voltage issues came about because of heat degrading a solder joint or other component which in turn caused the voltage issues. Keep using it in those poor situations with the heat build up (from the CPU) can cause board failures especially in poorly ventilated PCs. I don't like heat, heat absolutely degrades components, it's not even debatable, they do tests on systems or electronic parts and heat plays a huge part in finding out the MTBF (mean time between failures), and just 10c can make a huge difference in the life or failure of a component. Again not talking CPU failure, although back in the day heat did degrade CPUs 🤪 I actually encountered it often, but I asked ChatGPT, Is heat the #1 reason for board failures? this is what it said: Yes, heat is often considered the #1 reason for electronic board failures. Excessive heat can cause several issues in electronic components and printed circuit boards (PCBs), including: and it went on to list issues. You know I should have kept a record but lots of poorly built PC's, I mean really that was what I mostly encountered, extremely rare to get a call for Apple, or Dell Optiplex, Dell consumer line yes, but there was a zillion more PC's I guess, some had such poor designs and poor components. I always built my own, still have one running 24/7 for like 10 years, 7 fans, not loud, personally I have had 9 PC's never had a single failure of anything. only 2 Macs, also no issues. I miss the calls, I fixed a lot over the phone, but hated software issues so much, I ended up telling people to buy a Mac, and I slowly lost repeat customers...seriously I ruined my own business.🤣
@chrislguo4 күн бұрын
How do you like the Zike enclosure? Does it get too hot? Is the cable high quality?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
It gets hot when you constantly write on it. But I use it since 1,5 years and I haven't found anything better overall. I made a Comparison Review over on my German Channel.
@nathanielcashjr.7324 күн бұрын
I have the lens, it looks better than my "perfect" 1.8. Sharpness should be measured by how the photo is to viewed, not zoomed in. Pretend like computer monitors don't exist. How does look as a print? All the flaws give great character.
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
It has great character but also some major flaws like in the Bokeh. Thats just ugly.
@tutusik4 күн бұрын
Which set of encloser and ssd do you recommend?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
I personally use the ZIKEDRIVE USB4 Enclosure.
@harshraj73074 күн бұрын
Con you please give us live demo or how adobe premiere pro and after effect work
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
I don't use either of this tools since they suck. I use Pugetbench to get a Premier Pro Comparison and thats it. I use and highly recommend Resolve and Fusion for such work and as a benefit you will get way less headache from it then from Adobe.
@brijeshjoshi77564 күн бұрын
thanks dear to give these valuable feedbacks, I am a video editor and I generally use after effects and premiere for my workflow. Does after effects run smoothly?
@davision-en4 күн бұрын
After Effects would be way to much for this Machine. You should at least go with a M4 pro.