As I teach my residents: "Normal" is just a person you don't know very well.

Actually there is no law that a family MUST take care of an ADULT with mental illness in any U.S. jurisdiction I am aware of--unless that family is formally given guardianship over the disabled family member (which is pretty rare). Some of the techniques in my book (YouNeedHelpBook.com) in Chapter 8 about "therapeutic coercion" give ideas about how the privileges of family membership can be deployed to steer people into treatment, utilizing the inherent, often incompletely tapped, power of families. The following chapter is about how to optimally use the law that mobilizes power beyond family---laws about involuntary commitment that invoke authorities such as the police, courts, ER's and civil commitment hearings.

It’s a right, not a privilege

The best I can do in this forum is to urge you to read my entire book: See: YouNeedHelpBook.com It's far more extensive in generating ideas that I can cover in a 1 hr lecture.

@@markkomrad6654 thank you for trying but i don't need it anyway

gheivss If you read the book you’ll see why, unfortunately, the vast majority of people who could really use state of the art mental health treatment, do not think they need it. The orthopedics and dermatologist don’t have that problem.

@@markkomrad6654 I'm sure a lot of people in this country desperately want to get help. But here's the problem Medicaid insurance is terrible you can't find a psychiatrist you can't get medication. Mental health clinics with a nurse practitioner is what you get. They don't care about you thIER really sick and tired of listening to people whining all day. They don't know whether you're making up your illness to get meds or if you're really really truly sick. ThIER just very untrusting and instead of thinking better safe than sorry Thier Ego prevents them from helping people theY ARE so afraid to get duped. It's really sad how they think everyone is trying to get high. It's just a miserable humiliating situation for people who have severe depression ADHD crippling anxiety. And regular SSRI's SNRI don't do anything to help treatment resistant depression. For these people being severely depressed is embarrassing enough BUT walking into those mental health clinics it's just the most degrading they have bad attitudes and truly just don't care you walk out feeling way worse. You're scared to ask for what you need for fear the little bit that they give you will be taken away from yoU. I bet a huge number of suicides happen because of the bad attitudes of nurse practitioners trying to be psychiatrist.. It's just no way to live there's no quality of life especially when you can't get any real help and are made to feel like a lazy liar drug seeking scoundrel. It's just hopeless the health system here is hopeless for people making under 20,000 a year they don't care whether you live or die that's for sure. BUT when there is a suicide everybody's crying and carrying on like they gave a crap when in reality it takes somebody literally dying before they do give a crap and by that time it's just too late. But it's a cycle a new person comes along and they do this same exact thing I think that most people not all but most are very fake and pretend like they care when on TV iF everybody sees them doing a great act OR getting some kind of recognition in reality BEHIND CLOSED CLINIC DOORS THEY care less if you live or die so so so sad but true. Unfortunately 90% of people don't have true love or compassion it's just getting harder and harder to want to be alive in this negative fake cold environment . IF THE United States had better mental health care and kinder more compassionate doctors people wOULD NOT be hanging themselves with belts from door knobs. Famous actresses actors models doctors lawyers are committing suicide everyday in this country I really don't think the average normal peRSON haS any chance at all if they have a debilitating mental illness like ADHD severe depression anxiety bipolar they just don't stand a chance I think people should have the right to be euthanized if nobody is willing to help them get better isn't it better then people suffering and nobody caring about them I mean seriously is it more ethical?

traci germanozashvili first of all, I’m sorry that you’ve had such a negative experience. Like any profession, some places are better than others. I certainly know a number of public mental health clinics that I would send my own family to, and give very good care. But there are many who don’t. One might see the same range of quality in private offices of doctors as well. That being said, there are a lot of places that could do a lot better. I think that the policies and laws that treat nurse practitioners as equivalent to physicians and give them equivalent responsibilities are profoundly misguided. Psychiatrists have 15,000 hours of training, compared to 500 hours for nurse practitioners, many of whom get their NP degree online plus a few months clinical training, shadowing a psychiatrist.

traci germanozashvili Also, as someone who works “behind the doors” in Mental Health, I will tell you that there is a tremendous devotion of all varieties of mental health practitioners towards their patients in their work. We too suffer from inadequate resources, STIGMA, lack of parity of the mental health system, etc. Some of the most idealistic people, driven by a passion for social justice and care, go into the mental health professions. This is the lowest compensated sector of the healthcare community. These Doctors, nurses, and therapists, could be much better paid if they chose other specialties. But they didn’t. They chose to go into mental health care because of their devotion. I can’t speak for everyone, but the generalizations that you make about mental health care professionals, are the very opposite of the generalizations that I think are true about this sector of the healthcare community.

I actually didn’t know that she finally went through with her euthanasia. The video was updated and I wasn’t aware. As a matter of fact, about a year ago I googled her to see if there was any information about whatever happened to her, and asked Belgian colleagues, and nobody knew. Nobody thought to rewatch the original video to see if it was updated with an new epilogue! So thank you. . It is still poignant that being in this documentary may well have motivated her to live another couple of years. Unfortunate that she couldn’t sustain that momentum. A very tragic outcome.

@@markkomrad6654 what's even more tragic is the crappy disgusting health care system we have in this country called Medicaid people who really really want to get help can't they get sent to some nurse practitioner instead of a real psychiatrist,,,,,,,,,,, opiate addiction because everyone is self medicating because they can't find a doctor to help them. Medicaid only pays doctors$5 a visit LOL. THIS is tragic at least the doctors in Belgium haVE the heart to euthanize these people, Americans treat their dogs better then their own people. IF dog is sick we take them to the doctor and IF IT can't get better we put him to sleep. Millions of people in this country can't even find a doctor they suffer in silence. I think the American health system is way more tragic and you canT blame the doctors for turning Medicaid patients away they all say it's not worth the $5 we get per visit at least everyone in those countries get this same health care and treatment unlike here if you're sick and can't work forget about getting any kind of QUALITY mental health treatment I think instead of worrying about Belgium we should be wearing about our own people

Can you share some more of your experience in coping with this, my brother who is 21 now is in the same condition and he also have suicidal thoughts. We have a psychiatrist who sees him every one or two weeks but the psychiatrist does not do much and his emotions tend to go up and down irregularly. He does not eat or sleep adequately. I don't know what to do, he thinks all family members are evil. God bless you and I hope God gives us strength to overcome this.

Sorry to hear off your struggle. I am facing similar issue with my sister. My challenge is to get her evaluated. Wishing you the best.

@@leduyanh1010 Sorry to hear about your struggle, I can relate. I wish you and your brother well.

@@ty-lim Wish you all the best friend.

Francis Fok I hope you’ll encourage your dad to get my book, which goes much deeper and is full of practical tips. YouNeedHelpBook.com

You can go to court to request judge to force her to get to a hospital to seek help. Its called involuntary commitment.

I hope you are well and that you, your mother, and your family get the right help.

Francis, I'm sorry to hear of your struggles. Stay strong. I wish the best for you and your mother.

Pam j I’m so glad it was helpful. This really is the most difficult first step. Even when good care is available, convincing people to access it can be really challenging. I hope your sister continues in a journey towards good care, healing, and critical support from you.

@@markkomrad6654 Thank you. She lost her only son eleven months ago and shortly afterwards developed "evil spirit hallucinations". She suffers terribly on a daily basis. I hope I can convince her to see someone.

Because they escalate to committing crimes. Not all of course but a lot of them.

@@whatchamacallit70 because nobody educated them or even cared enough to provide them the appropriate treatment and support, because well.. they’re uneducated on these matters and therefore dismiss them and hope for a miraculous change to happen instead.

SO VERY TRUE! I think most people nowadays are very open minded about mental health I think the real problem is exactly like you said you're sick family member is probably out of work which means thIER on Medicaid which means it is impossible to find a psychiatrist in a private practice or even a clinic willing to help! Everywhere I live and trust me I tried and tried to find a doctor a great psychiatrist but Unfortunately it's impossible to even find a decent family physician. We only get tO see nurse practitioners where I live doctors want nothing to do with Medicaid and I don't blame them they only make like $5 a visit LOL that's all the government is willing to pay so we get nurses instead of doctors such a tragedy and so sad that's exactly why drug addiction self medication is an epidemic it's because people can't find decent health care! That is why overdoses in suicide is OUT of control in this country!

the people whos making big bucks is hospitals and drug companies. this country is corrupt. I thought America is a great country but when its comes to health system and mental ill problem, they dont care. its true from 1-4 has mental illness people. very sad indeed. my daughter been taking med since 2012 on and off since she's taking full time medication lately for one year, she got a site effect from her med. she hardly cant walk now and she's in pain and her body keeps moving she couldnt control it. the Practitioners didnt follow up with her. she got cheap insurance thats why. she stop taking it for six months now her own, she got attack again with delusion and PTSD. dont want to go hospital or get help or take medication again if she can help it. because she already truma from medication. please God help her.

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RV Beginner Winnebago Adventurer '97 there are no such laws in the US that I am aware of, which mandate medical treatment as a precondition of social benefits for the poor-either financial or medical benefits. On the other hand, to get Social Security Disability (SSDI), you must have documentation from a treating physician to see if you qualify. And follow up reports every few years to see if you still qualify. However SSDI is not limited to the poor, it’s for anyone, no matter their income, if they have paid into the Social Security system by having withholdings from their paycheck for at least 5 quarters of work. SSDI benefits end at age 65.

Thankyou for these highlights.

Here is a link to the paper and an abstract of it: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063328 Here is a nice PRESI presentation about the data made, I believe, by the authors, but I'm not sure: prezi.com/q4qa5xk3mxy4/mental-illness-suicide-and-creativity-40-year-prospecti/ Hope this helps. Regards, Mark Komrad M.D. KomradMD.com YouNeedHelpBook.com

Did you ever find an answer to your question?

I'm no expert, but I've learned from situations with friends. Contact NAMI, a national mental health organization. They have a lot of knowledge and can help refer you to resources. Check out this link for a 127 p. online book that offers some expert advice: www.nami.org/getattachment/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditions/Related-Conditions/Anosognosia/I_am_not_sick_excerpt.pdf It ain't no easy straightforward path, that's for sure, but it helps to learn from others who have been through it. And there are a lot of people who have been through it.

I am signed up for their family class. I do not know if NAMI offers it on youtube, if not they should...to reach more people...I think I offered to help them post my class...I know some things are confidential so that may be why they will refuse.

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6qml2mmaat2ns0 she looks interesting about this topic.

Mam you are mother so you better understand that life is a big challenge if relation are good it's our good luck but when it create trouble it's not feel good so as a human being we are blessed with two options one is God prayer, meditation, and second is medical help if both you take together it works more fast ....