i actually didn't. thanks for that information

yea im not that familiar with the American thanksgiving traditions beyond the original mayflower story and the turkey-eating and whatnot. I don't dislike gingerbread, tho I don't particularly love it either.

Sugarcane/sorghum used to make molasses is usually harvested in September (at least in colder climates) the sugar products are then produced and sold starting in October and November. I live near a sorghum field, and every September we have a sorghum fest, so I've always associated it with fall.

lmao best comment

thanks

real

it was a really nice movie

girls who are friends indeed

good observation

i assumed as much but did not have the knowledge to know for sure. Thanks for pointing out some of these.

hm . so you saw this as a proper ending? very interesting perspective

Satisfying endings are enjoyable but forgettable. This ending put a weight on my chest I couldn't lift. It haunted me for weeks. I wouldn't choose to trade that for anything.

S2 was always the plan, this may have been a great ending (and it truly is) but it isn't the usual case of a last-minute change of plans like it so commonly happens in TV. I do think it's an interesting perspective, that a cliffhanger _can_ indeed be a better ending than a "typical" ending. Though I do disagree mostly because most of the character arcs are (in my opinion) incomplete without S2.

They can say it was always meant to be 2 seasons but I'm not convinced. The Riot CEO's anecdote about playing with Christian's feelings before telling him they'd get funded for multiple seasons in Bridging the Rift sounded to me like more than 2. We've been gaslit :-/ My fave series endings before I saw the scribbled happy face were the old Twin Peaks and Space Above and Beyond. Both end with a baaad future for the heroes. Done too often it would lose its gusto but the rare ones done well stick with me for life. Not unhappy with what we got in the end, just miss losing something special. Funny side note: I googled season 1 before watching it and back then the first hit said the show was 10 episodes, so I watched that thinking there was more until the Netflix recommends screen came up. I was amazed by the writers' audacity.

@@quigsthevicious I guess we'll never really know, but there's a moment where they visit the writer's room and they are discussing the Season 2 finale (obviously with the spoilers edited out). In particular, they were discussing how they'd bring _you-know-who_ back down to earth during the climax of the story. That gives me confidence that it was planned to be this way for a long time. I appreciate the honest input, you definitely gave me something to think about as far as endings are concerned. Maybe theres a few endings to which I haven't given enough appreciation. I usually favor bold moves in writing, but for some reason I've been excluding endings from that.

there is so many series where I wish I could do that But also not if you know what I mean 😭

thats an interesting point also love the Victor/Jayce dynamic

i think Silco wasnt wrong about revolting, but shimmer made Zaun worse and he flooded the lanes with it. All he created was more addicts and victims In Vanders case there was stability. His solution was clearly not working either. Also I think Vi has good ideas, clever ideas. Doesn't mean her ideas lead to the outcomes everyone wants (or even she intended).

@@TterminusS Fair, but now consider the alternatives available. The first scene in the series shows that Zaun has tried open revolt before, and it clearly resulted in job lot style casualties (among them Vi and Powder's mom/parents). Apart from Vander losing people he cared about and felt responsible for, people with mining equipment going up against a professional paramilitary force with more high-tech equipment is a losing proposition. At that point, the situation was already intolerable. Vander kept communications open with Grayson, and collaborated with the Piltover occupying force. That resulted in a Zaun where children go on raids to Piltover to steal, and fight each other over a backpack full of scrap materials, and where police stomp around throwing people through windows for daring to soil their boots with a little saliva. Now, Silco takes over. The power differential was already extreme, and now he is rapidly becoming aware that there's a new, shiny blue tech that further skews the power imbalance. He can't gain a significant edge through trade, because Piltover has more resources and can simply take any business venture that grows successful enough. A colony of miners with lung cancer is also not going to edge out Piltover in terms of technological advancement. But revolution costs money. You need to be able to feed and shelter people, bring them in line, arm them, make them a threat serious enough to be considered. Shimmer is literally PERFECT for this: one, the ingredients are seemingly available in Zaun but probably nowhere else (those flowers kid Viktor brought surely have something to do with it). It gives the average Zaunite exactly what they want in life - the strength to at least ATTEMPT to change their circumstances. It doesn't seem particularly euphoric, it's much more insidious than that - it makes you strong and fast, makes you heal, enables you to survive until tomorrow. That's quite the drug. Also, given its spread and use among the populace, it makes Zaun harder to control for the Enforcers, since any teenager on the street could down a vial of it and rip a squad apart, reducing Piltover's ability to project its power INTO Zaun. It consolidates wealth and power, being a weapon and a resource all in one. And it's the perfect weapon for people with nothing to lose. People in Piltover wouldn't want to use something like that... they have homes, families, safety, connections. They have a society that takes care of them. Why would they use something that makes you a raging monster and heals the injuries you don't have to begin with? But people in Zaun, scrounging for scraps? Sure, it may give you tumorous lumps on your forehead later, but that's not really a concern if you're starving and dying RIGHT NOW. Shimmer was the only option that had any chance at independence excepting a random, external event throwing everything out of whack, and even then, that's more likely to pan out for Zaun if Piltover has little chance at actually maintaining control should chaos break out. For Zaun, I don't see any way OUT of the intolerable situation that existed in act one that doesn't go through something awful, because the only resource they can use to build a power base is the short, miserable (and therefore cheap) lives of their citizens, and for that, shimmer is a superb force multiplier. Additionally - several people in the show (Sevika for one, Vi another) show that you absolutely CAN use shimmer to some extent and retain sanity and relative health. Providing the society with shimmer is not a moral good, certainly, but I don't see any even remotely viable path forward for the revolt that doesn't involve some degree of sacrifice, and at least there is a POTENTIAL that at some point, one will stop having to sacrifice more, that it MIGHT end. I still say that's a better path. I'm also quite sure that if Silco had found a better, more stable and sustainable path to the power required to stand off Piltover, he would have seized it with both hands and his crooked teeth. If "be a nice guy and build schools and orphanages" was the path to independence, there would have been a schoolhouse/orphanage in every third building in Zaun. Making Zaun worse was an inevitable step in any plan aiming to make Zaun better. The alternative was to NOT TRY, and if Silco hadn't tried, someone else (Sevika?) would have.

100% agree with you Objectively, shimmer isn't great, and from Piltovers' perspective, there are no benefits to its existence.... but I think that in a society riddled with disease and chronic illness, there is likely a large facet of that society that primarily depends on shimmer for medicinal reasons. As we saw when Vi got injured, there is precious little alternative for them as far as treatments go, and in the face of prolonged suffering or death, I would think the average person in need of medical care that was desperate enough, would probably rather take a chance on the potential side effects than to wait it out knowing the alternative. It would be easy to overlook this aspect of it as a top sider that's had the privilege of advanced medical care that they've never had to make huge personal sacrifices to access, and even easier to vilify those that have actually had to make the hard choices. It's just... never ever just black and white with this show lol

yea. really cool how they can look very alike when they show the same emotions, but due to their personalities rarely do so.

oh yea it is. Got up to e41 on patreon.

i got s2 planned for mid january. ~ 3 weeks. s2 act 1 is recorded and might come to patreon early january, but I can't record act 2 in the next 2-3 weeks, so s2 act 2 will take a bit longer.

Alles okay. Liebe Grüße. Und danke für den Kommentar.

ill 100% check it out

thank you

see you in 3 years

she is salvika now i salvaged her name badum

didn't Caitlin also know? so i feel it would have come out anyway

​@@TterminusS Caitlyn was avoiding saying it. For Vi's sake she hesitates so vi steps in and say's it for her. At least thats how I read the paralanguage

good clarification

that's how it always is

all good keep them coming