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All Bird Clans and deer CLAN ARE FAITH KEEPERS

WHAT A DEAD BEAT INDIAN DOESN5 EVEN KNOW WHAT THE CLANS REPRESENT

A very very wise man

Not remotely “cherokee”. I demand a DNA test 😆😂😂😂😂😂

Not Indigenous 😂😂😂

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Was there an article about this ( The Bridge Ribbon Cutting ) in the tribal newspaper...? 🤔

Awesome insights.

@DavidWare808 Besides the fact that BQ is a well known colonial construct across NDN Country, you are ignoring the fact that being BROUGHT into the nation (Creek, Five Tribes) does not negate the reality that following from that time on (atleast 1820-30s onward) families became intertwined and this occured through rxpe, marriage, and several other ways. With generations following indeed being born into the nation. So there are literally thousands of Freedmen whom were placed on the Dawes rolls who had their BQ/Ancestry disregarded because of the immensely rxcist environment discrimination of African aesthetics. You want to try to ignore the truths of the environment and the deliberate sabotaging of African and Afro-Indigenous peoples especially during those times. Its just sad. Your argument about the Filipino context is apples to oranges, its not comparable at all. I am a world traveler, I and many of my colleagues are travelers as well from diverse backgrounds. Youre just upset that your argument is an inaccurate comparison and wont be entertained by those who know what they are talking about and are not easily distracted. The Treaty is the Supreme Law of the Land. Period. You may need to dig into some decolonial literature and decolonize your constructs. Communitys across Turtle Island pre-colonially were fluid and adopted people of different communities into their tribe not because of a BQ purity construct, but because it was the traditional way as they were part of that immediate society. Youre on the wrong side of history.

After listening to the oral arguments, I was not surprised that the Court ruled in our favor. Could you please, either in a future video or in a Mvskoke Media article, address several issues: explain that exception to the rule & the exception to the exception to the rule regarding sovereignty; tell us exactly who are the Poarch Band of Creek Indians; is there any possibility of having our sacred homelands declared as belonging to our tribe rather than to them; could the Poarch Band even be decertified as a legitimate Native American tribe? Especially if there is a possibility that they may seek to build casinos on our other sacred grounds. Mvto

@GoldSunVHendrix I'm trying to make sure I don't miss any of your long rambling rationalizations so I can respond, but KZbin doesn't always take me to the right place when I click on the email notice. If you just feel slighted because you're not recognized as Creek, I will have to accept that any kind of benefits accruing to citizens is irrelevant to you. That's not for me to decide. But your "logic" isn't logic at all. You are confusing the governmental system of the United States which is diverse and not homogeneous with that of a Native American tribe which is based upon ancestry. You don't have it. That's all there is to it. The horrible, regrettable, yet irreversible, fact that your ancestors were bought into the tribe works against your argument because it confirms that they were not born into the tribe. I knew bringing in my situation in the Philippines would confuse a lot of very narrow-minded people who only focus on one topic and know nothing about the rest of the world. But it should resonate with people of broader understanding. You can't just go and demand nationality with no legal basis for it. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation Constitution of 1979 is the controlling document as it was ratified after the Treaty of 1866. If it is amended without my vote, then if our citizens vote to accept those without any Creek blood as Creek citizens, then it will go into effect. I don't believe the Creek Supreme Court has the authority to impose that without a constitutional amendment.

Note to Administrator: I am unable to reply to any comments even if I'm able to find them after I get an email notice. I have to type in their KZbin name and do it as a comment. There's some kind of a technical problem here with this KZbin post.

@goodmeasure777 I don't expect you to understand Filipino history and culture. They were a colony of Spain for 377 years from 1521 to 1898. They were a colony of the United States after that. They were occupied by Japan during World War II and gained independence in 1946. They did not become a sovereign Nation until then. They understand what it's like to live under others without being part of the governing society. But that wasn't my point. My point is no matter how long I live there I will never be Filipino. I don't care how long you live with Creeks, you're not Creek. Unless you have at least one drop of Creek blood. That's my bottom line and it's not going to change. Answer my question though about your motivation. Do you have this overwhelming sense of Creek identity? If not, why do you want to be a Creek citizen?

@GoldSunVHendrix I'm trying to reply to all your comments. It's very awkward trying to find them as they accumulate. The last three times, an error occurred and I lost what I wrote. In summary, and we need to cut this off because neither of us is going to convince the other, I identify only with Muscogee (Creek) Nation and no other tribe. It's my heritage. I'm not Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Navajo, Lakota or other indigenous Nation. That's the short version. What's your motive? What will you do differently if you become a citizen? Why is it so important to you? Are you involved in Creek cultural activities now? What will you have then that you don't have now? Under your reasoning, the Caucasians who ran the notorious, Infamous Indian Boarding Schools should have their descendents be citizens as well because they spent so much time with our people. That is ludicrous. I can live in the garage, but that won't turn me into an automobile.

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Intertwined is not the same as bloodline. I'll give you an example. I am Muscogee (Creek) by blood. My great-grandmother was full-blood. I went to the Philippines in the Air Force in 1970 and met my wife there. We've been married for 54 years. I have a great respect and admiration for Filipino culture. I understand a lot of two dialects. I have been around Filipinos my whole adult life. I often say my life has been intertwined with the Philippines. But am I Filipino? Could I go to the Philippines today and demand a Philippine passport be issued to me? No, of course not, that's absurd! It's the same thing. I don't care how long your ancestors lived with the Muscogee (Creek) nation. It really doesn't even matter whether it was voluntary or not. In fact, if it was not voluntary, that actually works against your case. If they are not Creek by blood, then they are not Creek, just as I'm not, and do not consider myself, Filipino, as much as I love Filipinos and the Philippines. I doubt this will sink in for you. Maybe some others reading it will understand.

Thank you bringing this to light. In the end, we (Freedman Creeks) will get citizenship restored. It will be restored either by the Creek Nation Supreme Court or a United States Federal Court. 😊

Since 1960 it was my understanding that this was never to be filmed. Some tried I know of but chief stopped it.

Great Great Great grandpa was supposed to be a chief over the Porch Creek Indians in the 1850 or1860 not really sure. I think his name was Levi Ellis

Sounds just like what happened to black people, which research shows were the indigenous Indians/inhabitants of America.

That's a pro taken them to another circle.😊 Not many can do this now. We need to keep it

Thank you for allowing me to learn more about my ancestors

Mvdo

Excellent presentation by Mary Kathryn Nagle. The Poarch Band attorney was pathetic. The court seems to understand they lack cultural identification with the site. I would hope that at some point, pending the outcome of this case, Federal recognition of the Poarch Band as a tribe would be withdrawn and Hickory Ground returned to Muscogee (Creek) Nation as the lawful descendants.

Thank you for streaming!

MCN have they received apps...

Poarch Council's failure to abide by Federal Law and adopt an appropriate Tribal Constitution suitable for approval by the Secretary of Interior in its Organic State that was NOT held at a Secretarial Election does NOT Qualify Poarch Council to have Authority at all for Anything yet the Council has presumed Authority based on BIA's Bill Ott's Temperary acceptance until such time that the Secretary does approve the Constitution. Poarch Council marked ALL the IRA approved Title holder children on the Federal Base Roll as DEAD, these Indians are NOT part of the Tribe today. THESE children are connected to the Oklahoma Muscogee Creek Indians through the Indian Claims Commission Docket 272. Again.. THESE Docket 272 Tribal Member children are NOT on Today's Poarch Tribal Roll. The Children were suppose to be the Protectors of Hickory Grounds but NO ONE Protected the Children from being removed from the Tribal Roll by Council retro acting a Blood Quantum requirement that the BIA and Interior's Solicitors repeatedly told Poarch that they could NOT do because it was against the IRA Regulations. The Docket 21 holders under Lynn McGhee ARE however members on the current Tribal Roll but are Unaware of WHY their children who are on the Federal Base Roll are NOT on today's Tribal Roll due to their lack of Education training and being lied to by Poarch Council. Those found in the Tribe today that do NOT hold a Creek Docket 21 or Docket 272 can only be linked to adoptions made by Poarch Council who do not Hold any ICC Docket Award or only hold a Creek Docket 275 under an Ancestor who was to Remove from Georgia and Northern Alabama lands. Notice that Poarch claims are that they Migrated to the Lynn McGhee reservation lands and claims that Anyone in the Community can use the Reservation lands. HELLO??? POARCH is NOT the Tribe, they are the Successor Entity who has FAILED to Uphold the distribution of the IRA to those Indians who Qualify for it. Not only has Poarch Council disregarded the agreement to uphold the Trust Responsibility but has used Rico by placing individuals in BIA, Department of Interior and Office of Special Trustee to carry out their distructive plans to destroy the Creek Docket 272 documentation of the living children connected to the 1955 PL 202 Ch 444 that instructs the Secretary of Interior to Create the IRA Tribal Roll which IS listed in the Federal Register as Eastern Creek Descendants one day After Federal Recognition was approved. Poarch NEVER adopted an IRA approved Tribal Constitution for their OWN benefit.. NOT for the Benefit of those who are suppose to be Protected! DO YOU UNDERSTAND Micco Thompson? To be CLEAR, the attorney representing Oklahoma in this case turned Deaf ears to this Information when presented with it. Poarch doesn't represent the Tribe, they are Sqwatters who have NO connections to Hickory Grounds or to the Reservation of Lynn McGhee but are Claiming to be Community Members who are allowed to use the communal lands, migrants from North Alabama and Georgia who were to be removed from their lands. The Government Relations, Loreal Ironcloud, has been using a Constitution submitted by Poarch's Council that does NOT have the Secretary of Interior's signature on it. If you read Thomas Tureen's 1975 letter in reference to Federal Recognition it will show you that the IRA Indians weren't receiving services or benefits and we needed someone to distribute it for us..... Eddie Tullis's Non Profit, Poarch Band of Creek Indians just wanted their hands on OUR Accounts which they do NOT maintain because Cobell pulled us out being marked as DEAD. WE ARE NOT DEAD. WE are NOT be properly represented nor has Anyone LISTENED! WAKE THE HELL UP!.

Mvto

MCN have they received apps...

MCN have they received apps...

Mvto!!! Stay strong 💪

Mvto for the awesome coverage! All Mvskoke appreciate it beyond words👍🏾

The name of the park is named after a school named Lee and now it’s named council oak so that’s the council oak tree

Mvto! I really like this series.

Thank you for making this map! We are teaching kids who was living on the land prior to the arrival of Europeans. This is impactful and valuable to education, and we appreciate your work!

6:16 "This one is some kind of thistle. I'm not sure which one." That's a Liatris! I'm not sure which exact species it is, but Liatris is one of my favorite wildflowers. They're commonly called "blazing-stars" or "gayfeathers" in English. I don't know the Mvskoke word for it, but I agree that they're really pretty :D Also, it's interesting that you called it a thistle. I've never heard Liatris called a thistle before, but I'm guessing it's a local difference. They do look very similar to "true thistles" (for lack of a better term) like _Carduus_ and _Cirsium,_ and they are in the same family, so it's not surprising that some folks call them by the same name.

I truely understand all afro /native people and the compassion of each you when you know what your gg parents with and the indigenous people of all people know's what it felt like to be invisible but peace between the nation must be establish frist between the tribes because if cause division then they've won But not really bc im seeing them given land back_ that's victory.

Mvto

Thank you Mr. Wayland for speaking the truth. I appreciate your complete honesty on what is going on. The brainwashing across the world is a sad site to see.

Amazing how in most of these videos the people speaking and negotiating look like and resemble the same Europeans our ancestors fought so hard against to preserve our lands and traditions.Guess we all look like the Cherokee now lol

Truly about time the mention about Alabama and Georgia Creeks, the original home lands as well as Florida. We were displaced to Oklahoma it's not our homeland. I and my family never left Alabama we lived at Oneonta not making the deadly walk on the trail of tears.

Research Lukas Vischer. He noted that the Creeks were Black, White and Red and drew pictures of us. Our history is completely wrong.

Blks dont csre about true native cultures most times first question is how do i get my idian money another to destroy true native ancestors thus ink your only claim not blood not a club

As an African American I can understand not claiming someone who has less than 25% blood, and no direct lineage. However, the economic impact must be considered. It can be argued that had the original "Freedmen" been given what they were owed that their descendants would be better off today. I think that maybe they should stop fighting for citizenship and seek some other way to be made whole. Don't go where you aren't wanted.

Wow, I've never heard so much Hogwash. Why aren't you speaking the Truth? Oh wait.. you don't KNOW the Truth! I guess that's why you call it Folklore. rubbing two meteor rocks together will not generate sufficient heat or suitable sparks to start a fire effectively. So we KNOW This is not true.

Can’t stay but thank you both. Keep up the good work. MVTO

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Este hvkte always freaks out when Native people meet together peacefully at the Square Grounds.

excellent piece with good primary source material!!!