Reap what you sowe. Applies to this channels garbage content.
@vaughnkavon39933 сағат бұрын
Too many untrained people constructing a vessel that needs to withstand upwards of 50,000 pounds of pressure on the bottom of the ocean. A glue was applied to the fiber material that was never tested under any pressure or Rockwell testing.
@CurtisJeffries-cd5vuКүн бұрын
plus the carbon fiber shrinks down more then the titanium. thats gonna rip the bond right there n take the brunt of all the stress. STUPID.
@solareclipsetimerКүн бұрын
Probably. There was a lot of stress at that joint.
@WillyTheRat2 күн бұрын
In reality, even the glue could have been superfluous for actually holding the sub together. The pressure of the water at depth would have been forcing the end pieces inward against the cylinder main shell. You could have used a bungee cord wrapped around it just before you tossed over the side. The only real effect provided by the glue, at least underwater, would have been as a sealant, not an adhesive. They could have put handle bars on the end pieces and everybody could have pulled them inward until the water pressure sealed it. Sure, being handed a titanium end piece and told to hold it against the main shell until you were under water might have brought on feelings of high anxiety among the paying guests but isn't that what Xanax is for?
@solareclipsetimer2 күн бұрын
Great points. The Coast Guard testimony mentioned that the domes would have over a million pounds of pressure on them. So, you are correct, the force pushes the domes in. However, that does not necessarily make the carbon fiber to titanium interface joint watertight. The glue had to hold the domes on the hull so it could be moved around as a unit, and watertight seal the joint. There were a lot of stresses to the glue on the joint to the ring, to which the hatch was attached. At 6,000 psi you don't get a "drip-drip" leak, like the plumbing to your kitchen sink. At 6,000 psi the weak spot propagates instantly to a catastrophic explosion.
@416London3 күн бұрын
I feel that as soon as you say words like “titanium” and “carbon fibre” to people, they automatically assume oooooo that must be awesome. Here, take my money AND my life.
@solareclipsetimer3 күн бұрын
That is true. It seems so high-tech and sophisticated when it is talked about. Most people don't think about the issues with the engineering. And therefore the risks.
@bobfist12194 күн бұрын
Like the glue they use in outer space? Jetson type stuff.
@stevebeimler25794 күн бұрын
I am not an engineer, but an experienced fix-it-yourselfers and I can tell you there is NO WAY that one could place glue EVENLY with a “hand job” 🙃 and there be “no air-bubbles”. Furthermore, one is attempting to bond THREE DIFFERENT MATERIALS of THREE DIFFERENT STRENGTHS that would FLEX under the enormous undersea pressures of 6000!psi in MANY DIFFERENT WAYS by undersea currents mowing in DIFFERENT unpredictable directions!!! The center piece is made of carbon fibers that ALSO would FLEX and may in time tear here and there and how would one know this has occurred?? This submersible was truly “experimental” and a disaster waiting to happen - RIP 🪦!!!
@solareclipsetimer4 күн бұрын
Agree, it was a bad idea that could not have lasted over all of these deep pressure cycles.
@merediths2cents4 күн бұрын
In 1992 I wrote my thesis on titanic and you couldn’t have paid me to ride in this thing.
@solareclipsetimer4 күн бұрын
Boy, do I agree with you. Is the work you did on the Titanic publicly available? I would like to see it. Can you explain how to find it without using a hyperlink (which would be blocked). Thanks.
@ddespair5 күн бұрын
I can’t even see where the science came in. I could have said, titanium is strong, carbon fiber is strong, let’s gorilla glue them together and add a ps2 joystick! Let’s also not forget it wasn’t even NEW carbon fiber. It was like older surplus or something.
@stephenolson5325 күн бұрын
Thank goodness it was gorilla glue huh?
@peterlefeuvre58865 күн бұрын
Im no engineer but I’d have thought a one inch titanium inner and outer sleeve welded to the end caps would have been a better design
@threeforks77925 күн бұрын
Mr. Rush is watching the actual moment of his own demise. Glue!
@Andy-kf4rd6 күн бұрын
Nothing but a delusional con artist
@philleng4806 күн бұрын
Glue isn't the issue, the US Navy submersible was glued. However how they did it was definitely questionable, even to the untutored eye.
@solareclipsetimer5 күн бұрын
Agree. I f we are thinking about the same sub, that one was smaller an unmanned.
@416London3 күн бұрын
That sub looks like something I would have put together. And that should trouble everybody. The only thing missing is the duct tape.
@RossM38386 күн бұрын
Also the placement of the ring on the hull is also eyeballed and not really measured. Thats pretty scary.
@solareclipsetimer6 күн бұрын
Agree. Tony Nissen, the engineer at the time, testified that he took the time to ensure the hull was vertical (plumb) so that the ring went on level and square. I think he did the best could considering those factory conditions.
@manjsher30946 күн бұрын
They should have used silicone, ever try to pull apart a aquarium with breaking. Amazing.
@judeavision88076 күн бұрын
Im honestly shocked they didnt use elmer's glue. I would expect that after all the other videos of this company.
@chriscook38996 күн бұрын
It was all around a stupid idea…BUT, IF they were going forward with a stupid design, gluing it was the best option. There wasn’t any pressure pulling it apart. All the pressure was pushing in on it. So they wasn’t a need for bolts because that would’ve weakened it even further. Again…Stupid design..But glue was the best option for that stupid design.
@solareclipsetimer6 күн бұрын
Agree, you had to use glue at the joint, basically to hold it together and make it watertight. And sure, the water pressure pushes them inward. It's the alternating pressure cycles on the joint and the forces caused by opening and closing the front hatch. The hatch forces were transmitted to the front ring and glue joint. I believe the front glue joint weakened. At 6,000 psi you don't get a water "drip, drip" from a leak. it becomes a catastrophic ingress.
@jeffreyknight38847 күн бұрын
An all American soap box derby car is made sturdy then this piece of crap.
@jeffreyknight38847 күн бұрын
I wouldn't put this thing in my tub.
@FyaaahS7 күн бұрын
Well... how do you really know anything? And how does something become ordered without being a mess to begin with?
@louisvanrijn39647 күн бұрын
If they mixed controlled diameter glass beads in the glue, the glue line gets a minimum thickness. But, the difference in crimp due 6000 psi of the carbon cylinder compared to the titanium dome cause a moment which had to be transferred by the glue joint. The joint geometry was not designed to cope with that moment. The mechanisme Itself was something like the booster joints on the Space Shuttle, it as a sort off resemblance.
@solareclipsetimer6 күн бұрын
I agree with you. That joint was bad for compression and decompression cycles.
@Nanobits7 күн бұрын
Of course why use physical joints with pressure resistant rubber, when you can just glue it. Just wow
@Se7nDust7 күн бұрын
non climate-controlled factory, no masks on workers (so moisture from breathing layered the joint), and no vaccuum-bagging for the 'cure'. So many things wrong beyond the on-paper engineering
@Marine_Ret7 күн бұрын
The hearing is being here N. Charleston SC…in the building where my wife works.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
I think the public can get in. You should try to go! It's sad, but a historic hearing.
@Marine_Ret7 күн бұрын
@@solareclipsetimer yes, it’s open to the public
@AndrewCampbell-ut6jk7 күн бұрын
Stockton Rush had absolutley no idea about engineering, just a shame he was not allone on the sub. Ego centric clown.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
He was an Aeronautical engineer. He was a smart guy. Marine engineering just wasn't his training and he would not listen to the marine engineers who knew better. Titan wasn't ready for risking the lives of others, I agree.
@tracymetherell87447 күн бұрын
There were voids and bubbles. No way to avoid that.
@richardwilcox36437 күн бұрын
Putting Carbon Fiber in Compression is EXACTLY the Opposite of what Carbon Fiber is best at.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Yes! The concept is loops of strings under tension providing strength. This was loops of strings under compression just providing a platform for the plastic matrix.
@GoToPhx7 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It blows my mind that anyone on this project thought that glue was a safe decision for this type of deep sea application. I have a gut feeling the passengers had no idea that glue was holding this 'sub' together. It would be interesting to talk to the family members of the deceased about this,
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
I agree. This video was on the internet. Ocean Gate used it to promote progress in the project. But as a passenger, if you saw it, I think it would scare you away.
@michaelburbank22767 күн бұрын
TicToc millennial sub! Funny that Boomers knew how to do it
@veganbutcherhackepeter7 күн бұрын
I wouldn't go to 10m below the ocean surface in this thing. Nice school project, though.
@lunam72495 күн бұрын
yep!! jr high = A+, high= B+, colledge = C-, university = d-, real world = F-, USING IN OCEAN = ☠️☠️☠️😳
@DeepThinker2027 күн бұрын
Obviously the water found a way through the glued joint and found a way in after that it was over.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
That is what I believe. I don't tihnk the carbon fiber hull collapsed as the primary failure point.
@DeepThinker2027 күн бұрын
@@solareclipsetimer the carbon fiber is weaker at that joint its under cut. It could also crack there.
@DeepThinker2027 күн бұрын
Omg... Geez.. tight too.. i couldn't believe only glued. In the old days they had rubber gaskets with bolts... How how did they do it 6 or more times that deep before there was a problem.omg why no inner hull with bolts... To at least hold the ends on
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Agree, amazing that it worked.
@criticalmass45927 күн бұрын
The flange is way too small and shallow. There was NO inner structure to support the shell.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Agree, and not enough surface area for glue.
@nemonucliosis7 күн бұрын
Elmers all purpose glue and x box controller.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Yep, and for death-defying dive depths.
@Murdervator7 күн бұрын
Why glue is inferior to nuts and bolts. I had a feeling it was something so simple. We'll done.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
i think it was the forward joint. Let's see what the Coast Guard concludes in their final report.
@peterphan2278 күн бұрын
At best, you might be able to say that this sub was good for maybe 2 or 3 dives before it had to be disassembled and re-glued. But the idea that this sub could be used for days, months, years, on dozens of dives is completely nuts.
@WillyTheRat8 күн бұрын
Wouldn't a human just put a flange on the two end pieces and bolt them together using long bolts??
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Good point. The owner of Titon Subs said he was once in a composite sub where the bolts spanned the entire length of the sub to hold it together. It was a while back and it must have been a smaller sub.
@gowdsake71038 күн бұрын
The worst thing was NOTHING was evacuated to remove air bubbles. And the glue was just slapped on with a spatula
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Agree with you.
@randallmarsh11878 күн бұрын
Hey for only half a million per ride you expected something better than glue? I'm surprised he didn't use duct tape at that incredibly low price! Sheesh!
@surf22578 күн бұрын
yes but the port hole shattered.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Looking at the recent images I believe the forward titanium ring was the failure point.
@hotfightinghistory92248 күн бұрын
Today is a critical day..... (proceeds to smear rubber cement by hand in a dirty warehouse by the sea)
@maegenyoungs25918 күн бұрын
People are not listening to the facts, it made it multiple times to the titanic, It sounds like something compromised the hull during a loading event, And that the dome swung open causing damage to the bolt on ring. The epoxy they used was a body filler for composites it didn’t have acid etching properties. You have to prepare titanium for bonding. Had it had a deeper engagement on the collars it would still be getting stuck on wrecks.. They should have drilled holes on ring s put it under vacuum to ensure a complete bond. Then plugged holes for a water tight seal
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Good points. Looking at the recent images I believe the forward titanium ring was the failure point.
@pforce98 күн бұрын
I am not an engineer but I know better than to take materials with different expansion and contraction rates and glue them togethere and subject them to severe temperature and pressure changes and I never learned that, I just know it intuitively.
@baarni8 күн бұрын
Being an engineer I’m confident in stating that This type of glued joint should be done by applying a bead of glue in the centre of the joint which is then compressed to squeeze the glue bead to ensure that there is complete contact between the surfaces and that all the air is completely displaced creating a completely uniform bond. Nevertheless this kind of joint should not be used where huge lateral pressure cycling will occur. This is just one of a myriad of issues that are obvious with this particular construction. Having rigid titanium bonded to a relatively flexible carbon fibre will ultimately lead to fatigue and failure of the bonded joint resulting in the catastrophic failure that happened.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
I know what you mean. If "passengers" had seen this prior to signing up I think they would have backed out. This was from a promotional video out on the internet. They were proud of it.
@TheDiveO8 күн бұрын
Oceanfloor's Five. What does "glue must be small" even mean when we're talking about a 3D structure or alternatively a film, Stockton babbling world salad.
@solareclipsetimer7 күн бұрын
Agree, that was an odd statement.
@TheDiveO7 күн бұрын
@solareclipsetimer it might be less odd when considering that Stockton Rush was being very clearly out of the depths of his limited learning and understanding, this never being important to him. All he did was to emulate what he perceives as experts' talk in a way his intended customers and investors are fundamentally incapable of detecting, being too narcissistic to bring in other expertise for safeguarding. Or phrased much simpler: he was bullshitting to people too rich and thick to detect this obvious bullshit, because they perceived Stockton as one of them.
@brycedyck84508 күн бұрын
If you count the resin that bonded the carbon fibre to itself, then the entire tube was one big glue joint😮
@WillemFick8 күн бұрын
No degassing of the glue, applying it like butter, no post joining vacuum. Guaranteed failure.
@FranktheDachshund8 күн бұрын
If you cut the ends off a tin can, the remaining cylinder is easily flattened. In Titan, the glue would provide little strength as the cylinder was being flattened. Seems like the titanium domes should have been inset in the CF.
@garyb62198 күн бұрын
Things never seem like a bad idea until they go horribly wrong.
@softwarephil17098 күн бұрын
Many people saw this was a bad idea before it failed.
@lr86077 күн бұрын
The only good idea was this Rush fellow making money hand over fist offering once-in-a-lifetime trips to people with plenty of money to blow and not enough brains to comprehend the poor construction of this toy that ended up being a coffin.
@lunam72495 күн бұрын
no here, this was a bad idea from the first sentence: lets visit the titanic
@timrink2568 күн бұрын
Wouldn't there be a difference in how the different materials react to the temperature variances?
@solareclipsetimer8 күн бұрын
Yes, good observation. This was dealt with to the degree they could predict with the design and thickness of the titanium ring junction point. Trying to match the behavior of the carbon fiber which was right next to it. It's complicated with the adhesive in between them (another variable).