I’m about to add a PB-3000 to my PB-16. Curious to see how it will sound.

No they don't blend well, the pb16 is over powering the other sub, if you get another pb16 you would see a vast improvement

@@cedo2297 I'm sure when you're pushing them to their limits the 16 will outperform. But when you have them Both setup optimally, there's so much headroom, it still works effectively. Both are flat to 18hz @ reference volumes in my room. Would two 16s be better, oh yea. Definitely. But saying they don't work well just isnt true. Idk about the PB3000 and a 16 though. That might have some issues.

I made this same mistake when buyin 2 PB 3000's. I absolutly love them and still do. The PB 3000 is a unicorn of a sub. The output and depth is rediculous for the siz and price. But originally I always wanted PB 16's. So I always had that in the back of my mind for the 4 years. I eventually ended up selling them and gettng 3 PB 16 Ultra's. The difference is hard to explain, it's not louder, but it's more bass and deeper. I'm now satified :)

Save your money. It's fine.

you can develop the comparison of the 2 your feeling

I have dual sb16's now and I'm thinking of getting the pb17's as well. Do you feel it was a huge upgrade?

@@Linkone7 definitely especially with movies ahead games

I strongly prefer ported.

@@Subwoofer101 SVS mitigates that debate by sounding excellent with their ported designs. Their sealed stuff is good, but having owned their ported alternatives, it's a little better in my experienced opinion.

I have the PB17 and it’s more than tight and punchy enough without going for the Sealed unit.

agreed I have open box Monolith subs (12"/15" for like 4-500/ea) that are prob 80% as good as these and at a fraction of the price

@@neo4102 80% of the price, without the customer service.

​@@PeteNice29😂😂😂

If it sounds better to you set it to whatever you like.

@tedkay5272 well, in this channel it is a bass hack to increase gain on the sub. So I'm curious to know what the optimal setting is...

Thank God my wife appreciates the quality sound that is added with our surround sound. Denon avr x4700h JAMO S808 5 speaker set. And daul 10"subs.

Yeah, better he get divorced and live alone in his old age with his “too large for home use” subwoofer….. good point brother

do they have more infra son in the bass than the 16's we can see the difference and did you have to increase the settings for the 17's if so by how much?

@@vichlau My two PB17 subs are in the front corners of my room facing each other. Keep in mind I have eight 17"x17" soffit bass traps. Both subs are set to 8. They do not need to be lowered like my PB16 subs which are at -22 and -24 but they are closer to me. (4' and 6f'). The SB17 are 12' away from the MLP. Every room is different so finding the best location for subs takes time. The biggest difference between the two PB17 and PB16 is the quality of bass; especially in the mids where I was lacking that with the two SB16 subs.

I appreciate it! I should probably do an update on my demo content. I'll put it on my to do list. Definitely like Ghostbusters Afterlife! I'm glad you appreciate and use my bass hacks, it really does pull everything together. And the mid bass thing is frustrating, but also how the real magic of it all happens. Double edged sword. I appreciate your feedback!

Please expand on that.

@@Subwoofer101 He's a zoomer that thinks he's funny. Ignore.

Piss off randy

Always appreciate you watching!

Took longer than I wanted to get this out, but my voice has been gone. Hopefully it was helpful.

@@Subwoofer101 Totally regretted this comment 2 minutes into the video haha. I had to get my comment out first. Appreciate your review. I 've had a Klipsch R120SW and finally decided to upgrade in November and its been a whirlwind. I added RSL Speedwoofer 12s which was much deeper. The sale price of the PB16 Ultra and catching up on 7 years of your videos led me to order it. I ran into the same issue as you did, the smaller subs sounding better. The 2nd PB Ultra will be here on Tuesday. Can't wait to get them dialed in!

Get rew, so you can measure your frequency response. And maybe mess around with placement of your subwoofer

@@bluebear2963 I have tried my subwoofer in different places. Nothing seems to work for me

Small rooms are more exaggerated. A single sub causes dead spots and loud spots. In a small room, it's worse. Dual matching ported deep bass subwoofers largely resolve it. Counterintuitive, but I've done it. Took the measurements. What subwoofer are you using?

My problem is every movie or show i have to chamge the gain and or tweak it some more some less. It works but I wish it did it automatically. My sub is plenty for my room. I usually have down low for most things. My front and left usually have plenty of bass but every once in a while I need a little extra especially for movies. And turn it up just a little.

So it's a small sub, sealed, and it's not a deep bass subwoofer. It operates in a narrow range of bass, and the range that is most susceptible to peaks and nulls. You won't be able to get a sweet spot in your room. No matter where you move, your room is stealing bass and amplifying the bass, at a different frequencies with each position. It's a no win scenario. Sealed subs react differently to room size than ported. Definitely more sensitive to room size, but the narrow range of operation makes it worse. I understand the problem you're having, and I know from experience that dual matching deep bass ported subwoofers work. Probably not the answer you were hoping for, but it's the truth. Honestly I would rely on your main speakers, at least they act like dual subwoofers most of the time. If there is bass in only the left or right side, you lose that. Is this a theater room you want to improve on, or something that is not a big deal? That would determine if it's worth the investment to get your bass right.

I appreciate it!

Glad you got some value out of it! I appreciate it!

So that's the actual way? Dang, I can't believe I've been wrong all these years! 🙃 Seriously though, there are so many variables, and I personally run 90 hertz or higher, even if I have gigantic towers that play down to 20 hertz. Why? Subs are purpose built for everything under 150-200 hertz, and they just do the job of producing bass better. And you aren't cutting off the response to your towers, it just lightens the load on them, and your AVR, allowing it to run cooler, have more headroom, and get better bass overall. If you set your speakers to small and 90 hertz, turn off your subs, and then run a bass sweep, you'll see that your towers still produce output down to their limits. It's just not as much, where it's a hard cutoff point for the subwoofers. Now where you are right is with shallow sounding subs, and those can be crazy boomy at higher crossover points. I tried to help someone with their run of the mill, shallow subwoofer, and it was the most aggravating thing I've tried to do. He was happier than he was before, but I just didn't feel good about the end result. Landed at 60 hertz because the sub was just super boomy above that, yet it trailed off at 45 hertz. So the window of audible bass was between 45 and 60 hertz. Almost not worth having a sub with such a small audible window. My audible window is 20-90 hertz of bass from my subs or more, which sounds a LOT better. So in some cases, with terrible subs, you might be right. With dual matching deep bass subwoofers? You can go up to 200 hertz and it will still sound good, if your settings are proper to begin with. Typically, 90-120 hertz is a good range for me, depending on speaker size. Surrounds, being smaller are typically on the higher end. It's all personal taste, and go with what you prefer, it's your setup and you are the one who is hearing it. I'm just saying that equipment plays a big role, and in the deep bass subwoofer world, 60 hertz is choking off the subs more than I would prefer.

You'd be able to shake your house with dual PB-1000 Pro's, and with any SVS sub, the trick is that you can run a lot more gain on the sub itself. But yes, dual PC-4000's will be a better choice than a single PB-16 Ultra. The coupling effect of matching dual subwoofers is hard to describe, but easily experienced. Be sure to follow my Bass Hack video series, you'll get more than you thought possible out of them.

@Subwoofer101 I was asking this because in India. Pb-16 ultra is 6200$, pb4000 is 4800$ and pc 4000 is just 3200$. So it make more sense to for dual PC 4000 rather than Dual PB 4000.

Most of my listening is music too, so it's an easy yes on that.

With good room correction, matching dual subwoofers, and the adjustments in my bass hack videos, placement is just not as critical. I'm not saying that my placement is the best it can possibly be, I'm just saying that it doesn't ruin the overall effect. Corner loading subs generates more room gain, but that's easy enough to overcome by adding more subwoofer gain to compensate.

Nice! The gain structure is a little bit different, I run about 3-6 dB hotter on the sub. Still need to measure to see if I can figure out why, whether it's just a different amp, if the response curve is different, or if I can get more bass out of it due to the quality of it. No matter what the reason is, it's a good thing, and something you'll notice. Also, the DSP is a lot more powerful, so you'll notice room correction shows it as further away. Again, not an issue, and adding 4 feet to the post room correction value will make the same positive improvement, just like any deep bass subwoofer. In my case, instead of coming back at 12 feet, it came back at 16 feet, so after my distance hack, it's at 20 feet. Crazy good DSP. Out of curiosity, did you follow my affiliate link? I'm following my tracking, no worries if you didn't. If you did, did it get to the PB-17 page? Sorry if that's asking too much. I've had some link issues I'm trying to figure out. Let me know what you think of the PB-17's!!

@@Subwoofer101 I Currently have two PB-17s. I experienced the same issue running the gain hotter until the subwoofer broke in. I then ran room correction on my AVR which matched how my PB-16 gain is . They Play very deep.

@@Audiostylez hello can you tell me if you feel the difference between pb 17 and pb 16 please? if so how many percent more do you think?