Bolt Action V3 Analysis: Snipers
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@deccabw
@deccabw 13 секунд бұрын
Hungarians were my 2nd army , the Budapest book helped them a lot but felt they were hampered by poor Army Rules (Fanatic HQ units) and the lack of transport options . In V3 gaining the ‘no outflank no forward deployment ‘ rule combined with Axis Support is pretty strong and most of the missing transport has been addressed with the standard options. With auto-cannons being so powerful in V3 the Nimrod is a go to tank. One odd thing most armies lost any new kit from Theatre books I.e. HEAT ammo and the Hungarian bazooka but did keep the Mace Thrower.
@mascamuelassmith8088
@mascamuelassmith8088 5 сағат бұрын
I dont think you HAVE TO take heavy mortars. Light mortars a terrible cheap OD that can threaten gunline armys very efficiently
@mascamuelassmith8088
@mascamuelassmith8088 2 күн бұрын
About the last comments and how to play french: -I think you have to play on the gunline army side of tactics, and relly heavily on a bulk of infantry and AT/Howtizer pieces to keep a Big part of the field covered and threatened while a smaller part of your army can be mobile/or can be sent to objetives on the middle of the battlefield. First turns you pepper the enemy with your arty observer and whatever your gunline can shoot . Mid-late turns you outflank and move Up the table with your offensive part of the army while frogleaping your gunline little by little. You could spam inexperienced full strenght inf units with an officer babysitting multiple of them or smaller regular units. Also spaming light mortars and AT guns can be incredible, you give your enemy a lot of objetives to shoot at the same time and give more room for error. And spaming tanks can also be interesting like a ton of FTs and one or two CharB's like a mother duck and its offspring ramming a point in the enemy line Edit: duck
@Walkr-en8lk
@Walkr-en8lk 4 күн бұрын
My nebelwerf doesn’t have multiple launcher rules? Wut
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 46 минут бұрын
I expect we'll see it corrected in the next errata!
@montyshaw2118
@montyshaw2118 4 күн бұрын
Drop the memes and I’ll subscribe. 22:05
@adiebland9220
@adiebland9220 5 күн бұрын
Are Schutzen still a thing? And do they still have their free MG?
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 47 минут бұрын
They were a theatre list only upgrade, so haven't made it into the book
@oakleystactics579
@oakleystactics579 5 күн бұрын
Recce platoon: You can also put Recce on trucks/soft skins to help them survive in the first few turns. The Greeks seem like a weaker version of the Partisans.
@forthefourarmemperor3318
@forthefourarmemperor3318 6 күн бұрын
Thank you for the great video,I was just wondering if you had any list recommendations for me as I played it ussr and my friends play the Germans and Japanese.we normally a 2V1 as I have the most models (1000 vs two 500 points games )and the German player likes to use tank and vehicles as the Japanese player uses lots of infantry and I’ve been on a losing streak recently so I just wondering if you can help me out, if not perfectly fine. love the videos🙂. In third edition pls
@lesliebeilby-tipping6854
@lesliebeilby-tipping6854 6 күн бұрын
Another great review with some good ideas that Warlord may pick up on.
@nerdherd1819
@nerdherd1819 6 күн бұрын
I'm feeling rather disappointed that this is how books are coming out. With the Core book, I hemmed and hawed about how maybe the copy/pasting could be excused, or at least understood. But now? This is it? Really? It feels extremely lazy. Further, while there are things that would be interesting to use, the opportunity cost in points is insane. Germans' most viable units do not seem to be either what they historically used nor what they are known for, in our cultural memory/idea of WW2. Not to mention, as you said, this doesn't even include theater selectors. I'm growing increasingly disappointed in Warlord. I know they're better than GW, but dang this still isn't exactly "good" and they aren't exactly a "small company" anymore.
@deccabw
@deccabw 7 күн бұрын
One rule option that’s used by the Axis forces would be Allied Support which allows the Greeks to take a British unit fielded during the Campaign, may also be a case to field a captured Italian M13/40 as unreliable but think it was only one so marginal 🤔
@deccabw
@deccabw 7 күн бұрын
It was a bit like an armoured Dad’s army van 😊,copy and paste from the original books , the Peerless A/C looks cool 😎 but never fielded by the Greeks.
@stevenwoolley2727
@stevenwoolley2727 7 күн бұрын
I have a Greek army from Great Escape Games and they are wonderful models although somewhat limited, but you can field Evzones elite troops from one of their sets which makes a nice addition. A combined force of Greeks with W Force Troops or with NZ/ Aussies in Crete would work and it is something I am developing.
@marclaplante5679
@marclaplante5679 7 күн бұрын
Great review as always. Sadly v3 repeats the v2 error with the Greeks AFV list. It’s not being rivet counting to state that the “Peerless A/C” in the Greek list never, ever made it to Greece. The Greeks had “Vickers Peerless” armoured truck. A completely different vehicle, it was essentially an armoured personnel carrier, two MMGs, one firing to each side, carried 10 men. It had no turrets. Again, sloppy research by WLGs, and the actual vehicle presents a great opportunity (there were closed top modifications, so imagine a wheeled7+ closed top APC that can carry 10 men! Because that is what they actually had).🫤
@Schyzofrenic87
@Schyzofrenic87 7 күн бұрын
the SS guys just randomly charging made me think of proxying the SS guys with the deathkorps..
@ODST6262
@ODST6262 9 күн бұрын
ATR were converted to rifle grenade guns. 50mm light mortars were withdrawn by 1943. They really weren't effective. Also, battery of 6x8 cm battaliion mortars became 2 x 8cm company mortars and the battalion mortar battery became 4 xc12cm mortars. Artillery. No German heavy infantry guns. The 15cm sIG18 is not the same as as the German 15cmn field howitzer. This error is continued in the SP versions Grille and Sturmpanzer IV. There are two Pak 43. 1943 Pak 43/41 was the 88L71 mounted on a sFH18 mount. Shortage of carriages. Late war version was a low mount like the Flak 88 with 360 degree field of fire. No Vet Pz III in 1943? Still main battle tank at Kursk and rest of 1943 . Pz IV (long) was just beginning to become main battle tank under 1943 Panzer reform. You missed the Grille and Sturmpanzer III and IV with 15cm infantry gun. Here it is carrying a 4000m gun-howitzer not a 15cm 10+ km howitzer. Borgward demolition vehical is a remote radio controlled vehicle. You need a Pz III, StuG IIIG, or Tiger I as a control vehicle with the right radio. Only one Borgward can be controlled at a time. These were used in separate tank/demo vehicle battalions. Early war SPW were scarce. Throughout the war only one in four (1 in 6 for SS) of the panzergrenadier battalions had 251 half-tracks. Exceptions 4 in 1st Pz 1941, 10th Pz 1 Bn. The other 14 Pz division had a single SPW company. 4 in Panzer Lehr 1944. Gross Deutschland also an exception. The Kf Sdz 254 AFV is an Austrian recon vehicle and is a wheel-track vehicle able to move as a tracked or wheeled vehicle. 1940 likely the last time seen. Vehicle transport and weapons. Infantry in vehicles cannot fire from the vehicles. Only vehicle weapons. Armored infantry OK but Germans often used their SPW as Combat vehicles. With one MMG and two (250/1 1 LMG) LMG and two SMG firing from the back they could assault. The rules for 251 allows you to mount one of the LMG team's LMG on the rear facing AA mount for +15 points. Note you already paid for that LMG. USA M3 half-tracks allow up to three MMG to be mount on the side (1 each) and rear (1) of a half-track. Historically, mounting a MMG on each side of a M3A1 half-track was done only by the LMG Squad using the two M1919A4 LMG carried by the squad. Note these LMG are also paid for twice. USA armoredbinfantry platoon had five halftrackes. Two had AA M2Hb .50 HMG. The other three a M1919A4 on the ring mount. The rules allow the USA player to replace the M1919A4 with M2HB. This is historic. Adding extra M1919A4 LMG is too. You can be sure they kept the M1919A4 if they were in working condition. Each half-track carried a bazooka. A squad would be ten men plus a bazooka team except 1st squad which is a figure Plt HQ and 5 man rifle squad plus a 2 man bazooka team. The LMG Squad is short men having two LMG and 6 men. However, to field the platoon you have to field a weapon platoon too. The extra Plt HQ and your 4th bazooka team ride in the LMG track. The 5th half-track carries a three man 60mm mortar team. No bazooka left in the rules (max is 4 teams) and the rest of the mortar squad is also missing. The mortar can't be fired from the vehicle. The other 5-7 men lugged ammo after deployment. You should be able to fire from a vehicle 5 men to th3 side, 2 to the front, 4 to the rear. Softskins provide no cover. Armored half-track vehicles and M7 Kangaroos provide hard cover vs weapons without AP. RAM Kangaroos provide cover vs. all infantry weapons and AT1-2 weapons. Firing at the infantry doesn't affect the vehicle except the pins on the passengers applies to the vehicle as well. Tank riders cannot fire if the tank is moving. Late war USA, BRIT, COMMONWEALTH infantry may ride tanks. No fire while on the tank. Mount, dismount as if a transport. Please forward to Warlords. Sources. BATTLE ORDERS by Osprey Books 3 on German Panzer Divisions. 2 on USA Armored Divisions Where are are the Osprey books on Brits and COMMONWEALTH tank and other division forces?
@michaelshrumii1494
@michaelshrumii1494 11 күн бұрын
Where could I find an SDKFZ 251/21 Drilling? Is it in one of the 251 kits? Is this vehicle in V3 Armies of Germany? Also, any chance at all LMG teams might come back in an FAQ?
@jeffnorris3913
@jeffnorris3913 3 күн бұрын
Rubicon has the 251 and an upgrade kit. There are also some 3d prints out there. I think I'm going to go with rubicon
@AdamWright-b2m
@AdamWright-b2m 12 күн бұрын
With master of the hunt and advancing into ambush, do the units count as having moved? So the bonus for ambushing negates the negative for moving?
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 11 күн бұрын
When triggering an ambush it is a fire order, they do not count as having moved, which is what makes it especially useful for a panzerfaust. Jonny
@AdamWright-b2m
@AdamWright-b2m 11 күн бұрын
@TabletopTommies well that's not broken at all...
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 11 күн бұрын
@ haha tbh it's not broken compared to the absolute shenanigan's we had from major nations in V2. Even in V3 it's not earth shattering. It's the poor costing calculations in the pdf that make the fins broken! Jonny
@DukeExeter
@DukeExeter 10 күн бұрын
I hate the stupid magic upgrade rule so much, my buddy just died? Now I'm magically more motivated and better at surviving
@jackheathcote5365
@jackheathcote5365 12 күн бұрын
Been interested in a Winter War Finnish army for some time, but have always been intimidated by the level of conversions needed. I would love a video explaining the conversion you are undertaking. One thing I feel could add something this channel doesnt alreay have is some more hobby focussed stuff. Youre a brilliant jump on point to the game, so going into a jump on point for the hobby as whole would really add something! Loved the building videos for the soviets, so something like this for the Finns would be awesome!
@timo.9451
@timo.9451 12 күн бұрын
Did you see the Stationary Firing Platform rule? Does it apply to all AA vehicles?? 😮
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 11 күн бұрын
Yes but it only affects all multiple rocket launchers and: Opel flak 38 Sdkfz 10/4 & 10/5 Sdkfz 7/1 & 7/2 Horch 1a Flak 38
@timo.9451
@timo.9451 11 күн бұрын
@TabletopTommies oh sad but good… I taught the Drilling will be affected too..
@toninoedge1659
@toninoedge1659 12 күн бұрын
the 250/4 doesnt exist as a unit anymore! its part of the new 250 series that Warlord sells, bit of a shame its gone.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 12 күн бұрын
No, it does still have rules, it's an optional 10pts upgrade for the 250/1, gives you 2 pintle mounted front arc mmgs.
@toninoedge1659
@toninoedge1659 12 күн бұрын
@TabletopTommies so it's in the transport slot? Or gets moved to an Armoured Car once you purchase the upgrade, kinda sneaky they hid it out off the AA list. Also how'd we know if its early/mid/late. It should be a mid war unit as it was used in 1943 (albeit very few were made) but isnt in the mid war section.
@VorpalDerringer
@VorpalDerringer 13 күн бұрын
Can't wait for you guys thoughts on Italy.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 13 күн бұрын
Mamma mia, do I have thoughts! Jonny
@michaelgallagher9950
@michaelgallagher9950 13 күн бұрын
What units would you recommend to add to a German Winter Heer starter army box themed around 1944 Battle of the Bulge?
@samsolopeeps
@samsolopeeps 13 күн бұрын
That Finn project sounds great
@philb2476
@philb2476 13 күн бұрын
Thanks, will put together a video once it's done! Phil
@craigcameron3378
@craigcameron3378 13 күн бұрын
Brilliant, I've been waiting to listen to this update before dipping into Finns after visiting Lapland last month! Few concept lists drafted but keen to hear from your experience.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 13 күн бұрын
I thought you might be keen for this one, Craig! Phil
@kusanagi54321
@kusanagi54321 13 күн бұрын
Made my Finns in V2 out of winter Germans and winter Soviets because I fell in love with Sissu and Kaukopartio squads. So I’m super happy with the pdf. You got me thinking about the tanks more though. Now I just a ruling on Masters of the hunt advancing into buildings.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 13 күн бұрын
The wording on 153 is "If these conditions are met, the entire unit is immediately removed from the table and that concludes their activation (units that Advance cannot therefore fire when entering a building). Note that this is comparable to the procedure for a unit mounting into a transport vehicle..." On that wording, as a TO I would rule once you are in the building you cannot do anything further and therefore cannot flip your order dice. Additionally that is how I think it is intended (but that is based on nothing more than reading the tea leaves). Jonny
@kusanagi54321
@kusanagi54321 13 күн бұрын
@ makes sense. We’ll see how mine do this weekend at LVO.
@RussellWright-qf1xn
@RussellWright-qf1xn 14 күн бұрын
Finns are an absolute disaster for v3 on so many levels. Thry are completely OP given their combos but the key issue is the pricing on the tanks. It is frankly insane and will lead to lots of Finn armoured lists for a nation which was amongst the least armoured!
@stevenwoolley2727
@stevenwoolley2727 14 күн бұрын
wow.....everyone is full of the Battle of Bulge and the Winter Germans and US in Winter....but the Finns are way interesting to play in 3 wars which are overlooked....just started mine and this is a nice refreshing overview
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 14 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@marclaplante5679
@marclaplante5679 14 күн бұрын
Just about the suggestion to take 5 man squads with a Faust, Finns are an army where you should strive to take even numbers in squads, go allow the half strength morale bonus to kick in, with five you have to be reduced to two before you receive it, with six you get it at three. A little extra cost that can pay off.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 14 күн бұрын
100% agree, but the pay off is the ability to include a single Officer in the Komsomolet to offset the pins and allow for Snap To options - definitely a balancing act! Phil
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 13 күн бұрын
From my experience this is good advice when discussing regular squads, however with veterans, the boost is much less significant, and either way it is 3 casualties before it kicks in. Alongside the proliferation of officers, makes 5 as good a shout as 6 for veterans. Jonny
@marclaplante5679
@marclaplante5679 13 күн бұрын
@TabletopTommiesgood point, I need to get out of v 2 mindset!
@henrikluffe3089
@henrikluffe3089 14 күн бұрын
I heard rumours that panzer 3 early war lost their 3 machinegun options, is that true? or can you still take the panzer 3 E with 3 machine guns.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 14 күн бұрын
Correct, there is no dakka panzer! Jonny
@henrikluffe3089
@henrikluffe3089 14 күн бұрын
@TabletopTommies thanks for the reply but not the answer I was hoping for haha :D
@Nerfwerfer
@Nerfwerfer 13 күн бұрын
This makes me sad. ​@TabletopTommies
@timothysmith6211
@timothysmith6211 14 күн бұрын
while I appreciate the video it is just one of 15 other videos on version 3 that get to this point in the rules and just stop making videos. Cant find one video on youtube showing vehicle, and building rules. Its like everyone gets there and just says nah thats too much to go through see ya.
@danielmoody5867
@danielmoody5867 15 күн бұрын
Is the polizi tank in the book asking for a freind
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 15 күн бұрын
Nein!
@danielmoody5867
@danielmoody5867 15 күн бұрын
Aww man she will not be happy
@Nerfwerfer
@Nerfwerfer 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review, guys! I'm not trying to be negative, but I am having a hard time seeing any upside to this book. It just seems kind of meh.
@lucianaurelius2418
@lucianaurelius2418 16 күн бұрын
Panzer 3 can’t be ace, Volksturm are nerfed, Gewher 43 sniper is gone. Wtf is this shit? Absolute massive middle finger from Warlord Games
@rodento3220
@rodento3220 16 күн бұрын
Defend the Fatherland also allows for some units to go in gliders or make paradrops... I think the Field craft and mountain gun are different. only defend the fatherland guns can get field craft but "All guns" can remove shields and not be penalized by ice and snow...
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 15 күн бұрын
I don't know where you are getting that info from because in the Armies of Germany book we received: Defend the Fatherland doesn't include any rules for gliders or paradrops & Only guns with Defend the Fatherland can become mountain guns. Jonny
@tonybooker5059
@tonybooker5059 16 күн бұрын
I have a question, is the Panther Ersatz M10 in the book?
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 16 күн бұрын
No :(
@tonybooker5059
@tonybooker5059 16 күн бұрын
@TabletopTommies now I'm going to cry. I have one.
@dexionsgamingcorner310
@dexionsgamingcorner310 16 күн бұрын
On the Panzerfaust. It's a 15pt upgrade that might pop a 300pt unit. 15 might be too steep, but 5 was absolutely too cheap.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 16 күн бұрын
Meet in the middle? 10pts?
@bazza1carter
@bazza1carter 17 күн бұрын
Listening to this in bite(!) sized pieces. The Volksgrenadier special rule was called Mixed Quality - always bit of a long shot. But now even worse as the green roll is just on a 6...
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 16 күн бұрын
Oh dear! That makes the naming confusion so much worse! And that's a great point about it's likelihood being half as likely now! Jonny
@Vorpal_Wit
@Vorpal_Wit 17 күн бұрын
I think the intent is that the gun crew have field craft, not the artillery piece. So if they leave the gun to go crew another gun, they are unaffected buy the rough ground, but if they want to move their gun, it better be a winterized mountain gun, or it can't move. The requirement for purchasing fieldcraft is just affecting the crew incidentally as its a Gebirgsjager force requirement. The mountain gun rule being specific for the guns they might use.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 16 күн бұрын
"An artillery unit consists of two elements - the gun model and its crew (which includes a team leader, in the same way as infantry units), which together form a single unit." Page 124 BRB "FIELDCRAFT These units are rigorously trained and equipped for traversing different types of difficult terrain, and therefore treat rough ground as open ground instead." Page 120 BRB RAW the gun is part of the unit, the whole unit treat rough ground as open ground, therefore the gun treats rough ground as open ground regardless of whether it is a mountain gun or not, so if Warlord want it to play in the way you suggest they intended, it requires a significant errata! Jonny
@wellhungindung
@wellhungindung 17 күн бұрын
When will my 6 man horse mounted Chinese Warlord all smg command groups get rules again? I'll wait about 4 years
@wellhungindung
@wellhungindung 17 күн бұрын
First time listener, subscribed, very informative, thanks.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 17 күн бұрын
Welcome aboard! Thanks for listening!
@TheRovingRebel61
@TheRovingRebel61 17 күн бұрын
Does the book have the rules for the 33rd SS Charlemagne in it? (Originally found in the v2 Ostfront book)
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 16 күн бұрын
No, they only get a short mention in the flavour text. But you could represent them more generically using the Defend the Fatherland rules.
@TheRovingRebel61
@TheRovingRebel61 16 күн бұрын
Too bad, they had a cool rule "No Way Out" which was basically an upgraded Fanatics for an extra point ​@TabletopTommies
@wellhungindung
@wellhungindung 18 күн бұрын
I think they meant fieldcraft and not pathfinder.
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 17 күн бұрын
Yes it seems so.
@e-4airman124
@e-4airman124 18 күн бұрын
just play version 2 until all of version 3 is out too difficult and unfair to play v3 now with everyone
@jeffnorris3913
@jeffnorris3913 3 күн бұрын
Or just have everyone use the rulebook armies. V3 is soon much better than v2
@e-4airman124
@e-4airman124 18 күн бұрын
thank you for the info
@deniskosta1080
@deniskosta1080 18 күн бұрын
Seems they missed some opportunities with this book. I am disappointed at the loss of theatre selectors. The EW/MW/LW lists are wrong too!
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 17 күн бұрын
oh dear! what errors have you spotted?
@deniskosta1080
@deniskosta1080 17 күн бұрын
​@TabletopTommies I have only seen MW list: Pantherturm - 1944 RSO with Pak 40 -1944 SF39H -mid - 1944 U304(f) APC -mid - 1944 U304(f) Mortar Carrier -1944 U304(f) with Pak 36 -mid 1944 S303(f) and S307(f) - mid 1944 Sd Kfz 250/8 Stummel - 1944 ROA squads - formed late 1944, saw combat from early 1945. Some of those other captured vehicles might have been in service but not used in combat until 1944 - eg captured FT17s or other French tanks used for training. Also units that violate Warlord's stated "principles years of service." Panzershreck - only delivered from October 1943. Only really enters service en masse in 1944. At least 4 units with access to Fausts (Grenadiers, LW SS, LW FJ, LW Gebirgsjager) - fausts were only delivered in limited numbers from August 1943. Only really enters service en masse in 1944. At least 4 units with access to Assault Rifles (Grenadiers, LW SS, LW FJ, LW Gebirgsjager) - tiny numbers of ARs used in combat trials. Only really enters service en masse in late 1944. Flammpanzer B2(f) (12 saw service for 1 month in 1941, Mainly used in 1944).
@oakleystactics579
@oakleystactics579 18 күн бұрын
The Aussies took the gun shields off the 25 pounders in New Guinea during WW2.
@Flippotycoon4583
@Flippotycoon4583 18 күн бұрын
Anti-Tank rifles where deffently used by the volksturm mostly captured Russian once.
@deccabw
@deccabw 18 күн бұрын
All the armies that get double shots with their arty observers will be powerfully.
@deccabw
@deccabw 18 күн бұрын
Re the minors, you can see France and Italy getting their own books ?
@TabletopTommies
@TabletopTommies 18 күн бұрын
Hopefully, there's certainly enough material to include across the different fronts and years, as well as Axis and Allied lists for both nations. Phil