Im a full roller and all my balls are pin up. I want to try a full roller lay out. What reaction did you see happen.

Are you rolling over thumbhole? That’s what I was doing. As far as ball reaction I lost that snap in the bowling ball. Get more of an arc now in your balls. Coverstock will help a little but for the most part most balls react all the same since I’m limited to one layout now.

@@coreyculp4833 yes im rolling right over the thumb. Things are going Brooklyn and its harded for me to control the pocket now

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Don’t change it dose not work. Clean up your release. I was having that problem. Your not releasing (from the side of the ball) . when I cleaned that up my avg went up 187 to 199.

I am a full roller...I have a piece of tape on my PAP, and it looks me unmoving and dead in the eye when I bowl.

Tom Smallwood is a full roller......not difficult at all.

can i first ask what ball weight your wife is throwing, and using which type of grip (conventional/semi/fingertip)?

12lb with finger tip. Speed is about 11mph and she throws a 900 Global Zen Master and Roto Grip Hustle 3TP

without looking at how your wife plays it's hard to nail down what exactly is happening with her ball roll but i'm guessing they're likely related to either timing or wrist turn causing inconsistencies in the release and resultant ball roll. the first thing that probably can be done to help her release the ball more consistently would be to practice foul line drills throwing the ball straight. doing this can also make it easier to identify where the inconsistency is coming from, whether the ball is leaving her hand too early or too late because of uncertainty regarding correct release timing, or if that is because of the wrist turning inconsistently at the point of release causing the ball to fall off or hang onto the hand during release. while wrist and arm strength isn't a definitive factor, doing this can also help her get used to the weight of the ball in every phase of the armswing without having to think about footwork, while building up sufficient arm strength to execute and replicate the motions consistently. from there on once the release can be fairly consistently replicated it will be easier to more definitively determine what kind of ball roll your wife produces, whether it's conventional or full roller. then add more steps back into the footwork to see if those issues reappear, and then work on the timing at each step those issues show up. the training methods for conventional and full roller bowlers, and even lefties and righties, are actually basically the same, just that the ball rolls that result are different, as for most full rollers the release is natural to them. the same principles apply for training both full rollers and conventional bowlers, the only difference being how the ball rolls off the hand. so no need to be afraid of coaching your wife just because she plays in a different way from you, as long as you're sharing with her the correct fundamental knowledge and skills, most of which can be quite easily found online

i'm guessing your're referring to norm duke but nope, norm duke doesn't throw full roller. he normally doesn't use rubber inserts for his finger holes so it's harder to tell but he throws conventional, just with little to no axis tilt so his oil tracks run quite close to his grip holes but never cut across them. yes cores and coverstocks do have some impact on how the ball rolls down the lane, though it normally doesn't affect the general roll direction. when i threw conventionally drilled modern reactive balls my oil tracks cut straight through my thumb hole, but when i did the exact same thing using my also conventionally drilled plastic core-less spare ball (when i still used one) it tracked 100% full roller. that was what finally convinced by regular pro shop boss to drill me a full roller layout

@@fookerbowls9050 Thankyou. Sorry I responded back so late.

not really for me though, i'm most consistent when i don't turn my wrist. my revs (however little of them) come mostly from leverage generated using my elbow

i've played on lane conditions on which i had to! wasn't pretty, of course. though usually i just try not to get there! since i tend to be able to stick to the same line for longer than my peers on the same lanes. and yes, playing on matched-up lanes with the predictable ball movement i get from my full roller layout balls can feel pretty damn sweet!

we actually engage in a fair bit of discussion in my other videos in the form of comments, so do check them out as well!

@@fookerbowls9050 thank you……so, a few questions that I’ve been wondering about: 1. Do you believe that a full roller release is equally effective today, with today’s equipment-if intentionally laid out for a full roller release-as much as the so-called “modern release”? 2. Does the full roller release present any advantages or disadvantages over a “regular”, 3/4 release? 3. Should a bowler consider intentionally learning the full roller release? 4. How hard is it to learn this release? Thank you

@@joehoenig7596 as it would take quite a bit of writing to properly respond to your queries, allow me to do this through my next video!

@@fookerbowls9050 fair enough…when might that vid be forthcoming?

ahh backup! that's probably even more unorthodox than my full roller game. i dabbled a little with it before when i first picked up the sport, as i unwittingly threw slight backup balls at 10-pins by keeping my wrist too unnaturally straight. but yes i've seen backup bowlers with more tricks up their sleeve than me as a full roller will ever have, playing with leverage, wrist position, wrist turn and all. but hey, if it works, it works! anthony simonsen won titles throwing backup! it's easier to throw backup two-handed, but amazing nonetheless. i've been in the sport 18 years myself, most of the time during which the coaches i came across had no idea what was going on with my ball roll beyond it being weird as hell and my release being wrong. all that while making my school and college teams, and then later on a couple of league teams. so i guess my wrong release is pretty right for me!

@@fookerbowls9050 sounds like you have had a great time over the years in the sport of bowling 🎳 so keep being you as that is your style. I am still working on mine and I believe we can learn something new each time we play. Maybe I should share my videos on my style some day

@@martinsmith7054 guess the most fun i had was utterly confusing the coaches i encountered along the way! heaven knows they tried but none of them could 'fix' me. i thought about fixing myself, too, but the more i learned the less possible it became. so i'm gonna stick to it and continue confusing every other bowler i encounter with how my shots roll! and making videos about my weirdness. it's a lot of work making videos (especially for people like me who don't like to be on camera) but it's a lot of fun, and by analysing your game in this format you learn a lot about your game, about the sport in general, and about other players of the sport (like we're doing of each other right now), so i'd definitely encourage you to share what you know!

@@fookerbowls9050 most definitely it's lots of fun confusing people when they are watching. Most say to me how can you do that. I will definitely look at sharing my own videos soon. Cause I think we need to show that everyone is different and as long as the pins fall down that's all that matters. Maybe we might be in a bowling center together one day and we can show off our uniqueness to everyone

@@martinsmith7054 i'd love for that day to come though with things as they are it wouldn't be quite possible for that to happen in the short term, given i likely live on the other side of the world to most of my audience! there are already quite a few content creators and members of my audience i'd love to hit the lanes with, but that'd have to wait until travel becomes possible. and until my pockets are full enough to afford the travel!

nice! there are times when unconventional combinations like these work brilliantly. i hit 286 using a conventionally drilled ball! still my highest score so far

more accurately is to be flush to your target, in the sense of lining the shoulders and hips perpendicular to the target on the lane. the angles can be pretty subtle, especially playing the down and in lines, so that's not entirely wrong!

yeah i'll be putting up subtitles for my future videos!

I remember reading that Wesley Low is a full roller… can someone confirm?

ball was second-hand (friend sold it to me for cheap; he throws conventional) so i had to patch it and re-drill to a full roller layout when i took it over

yeah i feel that first-hand being a full roller throwing relatively slow at a bit more than 300rpm, i've watched my ball bounce almost half the length of the lane. suffice to say the result upon contact with the pins wasn't pretty!

Thank you for the insight into the transition between the full roller and 'modern' power eras! These are the kind of things only those who have lived through the period will know. Deeply appreciate the stories from those times! You're pretty much spot on regarding my wrist, though i did train my wrist pretty hard earlier on in my bowling life to no avail, because as far as i remember my ball roll has always been 'weird' or 'ugly' to my peers who had no idea what was happening (heck, at that time i didn't know either!), so it might not have been entirely a matter of wrist strength in my case. Spot on in terms of matchup, too! i've had days on lanes that matched up so beautifully i was giving national team-calibre bowlers a run for their money without moving more than 4 boards the entire time, but on other days no matter what ball and line i tried the best i could get was 9, with multiple pocket 7-10s thrown in for good measure. it's a bit less rough now throwing only full roller layouts, the variance between good and bad matchups closing a little bit, but the frustration of absolutely nothing really working remains very real!

@@fookerbowls9050 With a release like yours, my suggestion is, rather than drill up multiple balls with different drill patterns, stick to the standard full roller drill pattern and then make the surface prep the difference between each ball. Something like 500 grit, 1000 grit, 2000 grit, polished, etc.

@@mikewhite735 ​ yeah that's the advice my pro shop boss gave me also as different layouts will just leave me with balls bouncing all over the lane and behaving in all sorts of wack

Full roller layouts talk to your local pro shop operator