Could not disagree more. Delves are fine. If anything they need higher loot! You want to make + better? Get rid of single use keys. Should be able to use at least three times. How else can you practice a run? I also think leaving should be easier - not harder. Too many aholes in when pugging them now. Can’t tell how many times the options are put up with caustic players or leave and get a deserter debuff. Below 4s it should be easier to drop

Turning delves into one more in-game dick-measuring contest makes me glad that they are soloable.

I guess by now we all agree that key depletion in M+ must go

The issue isn’t delves🥴🙄. That’s what a solo player has. Most of us solo players aren’t looking to go into m+ and dealing with all the toxic people!

The issue isnt delves, the issue is M+ regressing every time they try touching it. The only exceptions have been DF s3 and s4 which felt like they were finally moving in the right direction and the numbers proved it. Then we got into the current season and they clearly regressed the system. We play games to have fun not deal with bs, we all deal enough with that irl.

why would you put a rating on a solo dungeon that is not competitive? do you mean to make it competitive? if so, you just destroyed the concept of delves. we solo so we do not have to suffer the toxicity of other judgemental players. the reason delvers are joining mythic+ is because of gilded crests. the drop rate of gilded crests in delves are so rare, you can delve for 6 month and not get 15-30 which is required for an upgrade of your HERO gear which delvers can only get through the weekly Great Vault or from the rare Delvers Bounty which is also where gilded crests come from in delves. so we get stuck at ilevel 619/626 gear because........You guessed, we need more gilded crests. because there is a limit to converting rune to gilded, i have to get gilded somewhere else. where? mythic dungeons and raids. so in the perfectly sadistic game design of blizzard by holding a gilded carrot on a stick in front of a soloist delver's face, they push you out of your comfort zone into the toxic mythic+ community. so basically, blizzard created their own problem and banning a lot of players for it. ironically funny, lol. so give delvers their own end game and do NOT mix delvers with mythic+ players, period. if they really want to mix, let it be completely up to the player without a carrot-on-a-stick.

I've maxed out my gear in delves and now I'm just hoping Zekvir or a chest drops a map to get gilded crests. I and a lot of people who just run delves have hit a ceiling. I have no interest in dungeons or raids. Hopefully 9,10 and 11 delves will drop gilded crests in the future.

wasted 15 mins of my life. cant find any of your thoughts appealing or a bit correct

Delves are not entry level to M+. It’s solo content. People really need to separate the 2 in conversations. If you have issues with M+, dont take it out on delves. They are 2 different pieces of content. Complain about the M+ only.

Trying to fix M+ by changing Delves is not recognizing or not having a real sight of the problem. M+ has their own problems, tailored by the last rework. And need to be fixed inside M+ design. Trying to make a Delve similar to M+ system is a bitching and whining system of mansplainning “gear yourself as I say and not other ways”. Not a single Delve player want a ladder or a timer in their content. Left that to the sweatiest.

Anyone saying that they enjoy doing a delve is lying. Delves are a loot machine for vault and most people don’t go higher than an 8 and four delves per week. They are boring as hell. Rating for delves is a cool idea. Might make it a little bit more of a goal thing idk bc delves blow lol. Also give more damn crests for higher level delve. Level 10 delve equals 10 crests. I also think they should give 12 crests regardless of making the timer in mythic plus. Make the timer give more, or better loot. Get a mythic plus and delve vendor. People love earning tokens and buying from a vendor. Simple ways to make the game fun.

Leave delves the hell alone! I hate M+ with a passion. Between the nerfs to tanks and healers to the nasty people in pugs, its just not fun for me. Prior to delves, tho, i was forced to do mythics just for the gear and resources to upgrade said gear so i could raid with my guild, which I do enjoy. As for mythics, could we please allow us to replace a player in the middle of the dungeon? I was doing a +2 to help a guildie and we had to pug a tank. He wasnt pleased with the dps and left, thus ruining the key. A guild tank had come online in the meantime but couldnt help us because he couldnt enter our key in progress.

Delves were designed as an antithesis for „rated“ m+ content. So, I really dont see this on the horizon.

Ratings lead to toxic playrs. M+ is not fun repetive and just terrible content. Delves are fun. If people are doing delves rather than m+ its because it better content for solo players, maybe delves should have higher loot so people are not forced to do m+ ever for gear if they dont want to.

Nothing wrong with delves. The problem is that mythic +3-6 need to drop better gear than delves. Need to drop more runed crests than delves. And need to be easier than they are currently. Tanks need survivability buffed. And healers need to be healing 2-300% more health per cast. I tried healing timewalking on my resto shaman, and it ranges from "good tank, doesnt die or take enough damage to matter, and heals keeps themselves topped up" to "this tank literally doesnt ever press anything that isn't a dps ability, pulls like they are a mdi superstar but is just slightly above inanimate object intelligence so I have to spam my ass off to keep them alive" Healing just has too little impact outside their big, oh shit cooldowns. Which are used more like "you need this button just live" in higher keys. The TLDR; is, Delves are fine, its a loot problem, and a class design problem. Healing isnt powerful enough, tanking is to arduous for the rewards. People dont wanna do either thing.

The timer just flat out needs to go. Your end time adjusts your rating to push you to your next tier. Your rating pushes you to your next tier.

I think adding a score to delves is a terrible idea. There's enough competition in the game. Let delves be the enjoyable content for the casual players that it already is. Leave the competition to M+. I also don't think people would be all that interested in rewardless M+. I think a lot of people already find it a drag when they finish one and they only get crests/gold. I don't see anyone really running keyless M+ except those crest farming. I appreciate that you've chosen to share your ideas, I just don't think it would be attractive to the larger player base.

Stop pushing delves in a m+ system what people exact not want . Itas good plwying delves and raid without forced to do m+. Hard Dungeons ok. But Without timer to use crowd controll again and having fun. Go Play m+ but if you like but do not tell people how they have to Play the game anymore. Only that you feel better with an system most people only do because they must to raid or to get allong in the game. Wow was a bettet place without m+.

Uhm, dont Think thats going to change anything. Im 2600 rated, I do Can ALL Dungeons in +10 with no issue. People who are the same rating is screwing up so Many of my runs its insane. Im always nr. 1 or 2 on interupts (im a fucking resto druid) Im Lucky if dps use more than 2-3 defensives the entire run, and ofc use dr cds after getting hit by mechanic, rather than before. People are getting carried hard and im sick of doing that, While still wanting to Weekly cap for the best vault. I Want something gatekeeping poor skill players somehow.

3100/CE player here - don't agree with adding rating to delves but quite literally everything else sounds great!

the sheer amount of elitism and whining because people dont have to put up with M+ Pugs anymore to get decent gear is beyond me, d*ckmeasuring contests like M+ have ruined the game man... Edit: If yall want to fix M+. Tell blizz to stop with the free to play mobile game design choises like depletion of keys or the random key system or including a failsafe for when someone leaves prematurely and the key isn't going to waste for that. Stop crying because people don't have to put up with these grease monkeys anymore and get gear that is equivalent to heroic raiding. Raiding has become more pay to win than anything, don't have enough gold? No raid for you, as simple as it can get. The delve system have singlehandedly saved the game for many people that are just casually play the game, people that are crafting YOUR highend equipment because we are bothering with the new crafting system that came with DF because your sweaty A55 is too busy pugging M+ keys.

I like what you have suggested, but I think M+ should learn from Delves and if you haven't done the previous level you don't get to run a certain level. You should have to do all the previous levels once per expansion. I really don't think bad delvers are gearing and then trying to do M+...I think bad M+ players are using delves to try and out-gear the M+. Pretty sure that going forward when delves don't have a huge head start, people will focus more on the material they enjoy for gearing and not spend time grinding something else...unless the loot is just that much better...which I doubt.

Mythic + too hard.... Delves are messing up Mythic +.... Just play the game. if it's to hard then get better. Blizzard develops the game it's up to the players to play the game. Why is it always Blizzards fault.

scenarios, island, thorgast, delves. only non disappointing solo content they ever did was the mage tower

I think I'd still prefer to go the Bellular route and break things more, but you're ideas are some of the best I've heard if you are afraid of too much change. Key depletion needs to die one way or another.

People choose to do M+ coz they love challanges. What's a challange if easy to run ? 😂😂

Great video. I agree with all points. Just started healing as holy priest, and even mythic 0 wasa quite suprising how tough it was. felt like a DF 6.

m+ people should have the ability to choose the dungeon they wanna run, not some random key .. just the level you get .. then you can put it in any of the dungeons .. really don't understand why it's so random .. give me a +8 key and then i'll pick the dungeon i feel i wanna run

I don’t think M+ is harder, they just ramped up the difficulty earlier. And a 2 is not like what used to be an 11, that’s crazy. Maybe like a previous 4 or 5. I’ve been getting KSM every seasons since S1 of Shadowlands. And everyone SHOULD be using their interrupts and CDs. Delves should nerf rewards if anything.

Overall great suggestions, I didn’t hear you mention infinite scaling (like m+) for delves which I think is crucial in making it actual end game content, a global leaderboard more meaningful, and eliminates the need to nerf delve rewards overall. I also don’t like the idea of no gear without a key in m+, keep loot chance the same as is (you’re basically only running m+ for vault right now anyway) but let keystones act sort of like coffer keys in delves where you get 2 chances a day to target loot from a dungeon pool at the level you’re running it. Whatever m+ levels eliminate the timer should be thrown into the dungeon queue system. Content suggestion, if you could mark with a video chapter where your suggestions start so those who are familiar with the groundwork can hop to the meat that’d be awesome! Liked and subscribed!

Helya was the raid I met my first proper guild, I was new to raiding but we used 3 tanks to get her down in heroic through gorefiends grasp so we could masss aoe the ads. Lot of really cool people I got. To meet through the game.

In my opinion : Zul'jin A ?? Dude, the same as Lei Shen, Ragna Cata or Blackhand ?? No one on earth remember this fight and the fact that he has a little bit of lore doesn't change this. Al'Akir C is a joke too, switch Al'Akir and Zul'Jin. Archimonde WoD is a solid S or at very least a A, but certainly not a B. Btw : Lei Shen is 100% a S, not a A. N'Zoth S ??? : While his lore is very good, he is absolutely not one of the best vilains in Warcraft, BFA and Ny'alotha were supposed to be the moment where we fight a old god at 100% of his power, It was just bad. While Fyrakk is a very strong contender on this one, N'Zoth is possibly the worst endboss the game has ever had to this day coz while we knew Fyrakk had no lore whatsoever and was just a clown, N'Zoth had a lore and was logically a big disapointment. N'Zoth is a D, not even a doubt in my mind on that. So same with Fyrakk : How on Earth is Fyrakk the same rank as Lei Shen, Garrosh, Blackhand, Denathrius, Ragna Cata... man, that just doesn't make any sense. Fyrakk is complete garbage with ridiculous personality and lore, he belongs to the D tier. Otherwise, I would have probably change a few things but everything else is OK.

How can Blackhand be below N'zoth? Crazy takes

Nice video. Unfortunately you dont really go by the criteria you set in the intro on like 90% of the bosses. I.e boss mechanics and so on.

Vashj and Kael'Thas were S tier. So fucking good, best end bosses in WoW

vanilla wow favouritism. Please just stay in your classic cesspool.

honestly the only things I would change on this list are bumping down Jaina and Argus one tier. I thought having to fight jaina as an alliance main was really weird lore wise and it felt odd to me and I think Argus gets knocked down one more for his lack of buildup and lore. but absolute banger list

Thunder king has some of the best lore in the game. Definitely should have been in S tier. Gruul got done dirty too tbh, it might be a simple fight with not a ton of lore, but sometimes simple is better😄

Sarth being so low hurts, Sarth 3D was one of the best fights in Wrath

Shouldve made 2 different tier lists, one from a story telling point, and the other from a encounter perspective point

nice list, though I would put Guldan in the Stier

Kel'Thuzad, Kael'Thas, Gul'dan, Argus, Azshara, and Sylvanas, were all S tier fights for me. The sensation of impending doom of those fights was something else.

very good list!

Looks good. Hunter is already the easiest class to play, and this will just make it moreso.

You are focusing on the 3 min too much, i believe it's talking about it spreading to the same target for 3 min not that you can't reapply to the same targets, it can't spread to the same target for 3 min