The man’s name is Horse Hair

To the parents: i hope your kids stuffed you in a cheap retirement home and never call

I went through a different program back in the 90s that ended up being really good, with a true brotherhood. Instead of tragedy, I made lifelong friends. Sad that things like this exist for people that need help.

This horrific program is literally responsible for the deaths of kids they abused & tortured ugh

Steve is a first-class smart ASS

Anybody that does this to your children, you don't deserve children.

MANNN HOW MESSED UP WAS THAT ,OUR PARENTS SENDING US THERE! WTF NOW AS A. GREAT FATHER I WOULD NEVER SEND MY CHILDREN THERE!

1989

I WAS FIRST NEW YORKER TO GO THROUGH THERE

WAS THERE IN 1989 HATED HORSEHAIR

I don’t know if you’re still monitoring this channel, but thank you for sharing these clips. I’m so sorry for what you all went through.

Challenger taught me how to lie, cheat and steal because when you are starving and think you're going to die All the rules go out the window Before this, I was a good Mormon kid

many kids were not sent here and turned out fine

very funny ever hear paris hilton? this is a leftover of the satanic panic which was a misnomer itself. very funny i remember seeing older kids doing drugs and they turned out perfect. how come movie after movie bsad on this is about abuse at the camps and these kids complaine? it used ot be blamed on rock and roll and television. kisds cite abuse movie of the week. many kids played heavy metal records and the parents didnt complaine and the kids were good. its funny in the mormon church being told NO all the time while others were told yes. ever been to a mormon household and wee them watching an R rated movie? this becomes a cliche. you wont believe the ingorance of others when you have t explaine that people say "I fucked your mother" and got away with many bad things EGGS and the parents dont care!!!! i remember dateine i think where at these camps HOLES MOVIE THINK if you dehydrate in arizona and vomit, they make you eat the vomit. one kid passed out was taken to a hotel unconcious and was thrown in the shower turned on the water and drowned!!!! blame rock and roll and television. many kids did bad things and got away with it and turned out normal and the parents were 60s generation fuckups!!!! many kids were told yes and they turned out fine!!!!!!!!!!!!! blame rock and roll music

this is in relation to this kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYCxkH14abx3r68 and so is the movie HOLES and even en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Without_Consent paris hilton said about the "Provo canyon" and another camp was closed down 2 of them on dateline!!! but nobody believes me about this stuff

Spam, deceptive practices, & scams policies i got a warning but here is my comment nobody i know knows about this stuff. when i tell them they are like ignirant ignoramt ignorant

Say the assholes names LANCE JAGGER, BILL HENRY,PATTY HENRY

At age 15, I spent 126 days in that hell.

I don't understand stand why Cats in the Cradle is sung at this nightmare place, unless the kids are going to grow up and send their children here,I mean listen to the words of the song,a shitty daddy and a now a shitty daddy all over again, remember Harry Chapin the singer and songwriter was a advocate of Human Rights,he would turn on in his grave about all of these

This is all a lie, the kids were never on drugs. It was a scam to get money. I was kidnapped to the Hawaii Challenger program after Utah because he was never caught. The FBI found us and took them to jail. Steve was never there he hired men and a guy with nazi tattoos to run the program. Me and the rest of the kids endured extremely harsh and unsafe, and mentally abusive conditions. Thank god one of he wives of the sailors spoke to us kids and we told her we were all kidnapped. She informed the Hawaii police and the FBI flew out to us on the secluded island and we were rescued in a helicopter. It is sad that they will never pay for the damage they caused. It is unthinkable for that to happen now to children and get away with it. It makes me sick.

I was there back in 89 when the program was still new. The concept was very positive but there was abuse in many ways. I don't think that the parents knew what they were sending us to. It definitely was no "summer camp". It was run by a bunch of ex military guys that tried their darndest to change us instead of trying to guide us. Definitely an experience that I will always remember.

Thank you for posting this. Very difficult to find coverage.

125 days 🤬

That girl in the turtle neck sweater seems brainwashed.

Horsehair and Cartisano were both air force vets. Do you suspect any part of these survival camps were part of a government program?

I was there for 109 days & my rocks name was Sally, then was sent to Sequoia wilderness program after challenger was shut down when Kristen died.I have to laugh when I see this and Steve Cartisano is stating that a kid is saying their knee was hurt but you look in the medical file and nothing was wrong…… I had a serious knee surgery after challenger! Yeah what about my medical file??? The doctor said it looked as if somebody had taken a hammer to my knee.

Fuck that shithole rapists murderers

I was there

30:04 everybody says that what do you think about this program?

Her mom didnt know that the letter was a song by Tracy Champman

Well look at our kids now some of this is so true. Lord we sure hadn't help them much ..sad

Mr mormon from salt lake city

go poop yo pants big old grandma

I went thru with the girl in the red bandana Romy I think her name was

I went thru in 89 and again in 90, and all I learned was how to manipulate adults & build a fire with sticks

Ugh. When will parents accept that raising their kids is THEIR responsibility alone? If your kid is unruly, that's a risk you take when you procreate. Many teens act crazy. Sending them off to a labor camp is purely selfish & irresponsible. Go to a parenting class, get some therapy & learn how to communicate with your kid. Don't wanna do that? Don't reproduce.

Hi Samantha. I'm so sorry you had to witness what happened to Kristen. You're not alone in your pain. I believe we were there at the same time - summer of 1990? There are many folks still struggling with what happened in Challenger. We have a Facebook group you can join if you want support. Look up "Challenger Foundations Survivors". Take care.

I watched them murder the 16 year old girl, Kristen Chase, and I almost died there too...

any other Challenger survivors still struggling?

I was in the group with Elizabeth. What a horrible experience.