It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad HAWKWORLD
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@Jeffrey_zeta
@Jeffrey_zeta 5 сағат бұрын
Great video! I subbed off the bat thirty seconds in, I knew you were going to cover this well, and you’re YT Channel name is awesome! ❤ keep it up! I remember this at my cousins house who had such an exceptional comic collection. I remember he gave me (I don’t know which era, but he would buy doubles or triples of everything) of ghost rider #18 (like I said idk what version, I think it’s from the late 80s or very early 90s and the cover was the face of ghost rider in black and white and the white parts were flames and bone/skull and had two different types of light absorption material so it was glow in the dark with two slightly different greens. I thought that was the neatest thing I’d have seen!
@RarebitFiends
@RarebitFiends 19 сағат бұрын
This is a great experiment! I enjoy hearing the back and forth from you and Chris on the regular episodes, but this is good stuff too. I appreciate the passion you both have for comics.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 18 сағат бұрын
Thank you for the kind words, Rarebit! Yeah, Chris and I are both juggling multiple deadlines in our working lives so it can be challenging to find the time to record together on some weeks. We figured rather than skipping a week or two, it would be better to knock out these solo episodes from time to time. Glad you enjoyed it! And yeah, our unreasonable passion for comics is the reason CRYB! exists. :) Thanks for the great comment, as always! - Steven
@RarebitFiends
@RarebitFiends 20 сағат бұрын
Agreed about Steve Lightle! RIP
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 17 сағат бұрын
Yes, rest in peace, for sure. A phenomenal artist. I found his work to be frequently beautiful and iconic. Luminous, even (which is fitting with the name “Lightle”). It’s puzzling to me that he doesn’t get more love. - Steven
@RarebitFiends
@RarebitFiends 20 сағат бұрын
Oh wow, this stuff looks great! I don't go in for cape stuff much anymore, but I think I may have to track these down!
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 17 сағат бұрын
Haha, I hear you on the capes ‘n cowls. But Von Eeden’s work is so transcendent that any story he draws becomes simply “Von Eedenesque.” Kinda like how any Terry Gilliam movie is “Gilliamesque,” regardless of the ostensible genre. - Steven
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing 2 күн бұрын
I definitely have this one on my list of books to pick up
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
If only Dynamite did a reprinting!! - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
It’s so worth digging up the floppies! Such a fun book!! - Steven
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing Күн бұрын
@ the good thing is that the back issues aren’t expensive
@rameybutler-hm7nx
@rameybutler-hm7nx 2 күн бұрын
We had this book back in the day. I never understood this comic.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Which issues were you reading? It definitely deserves a re-read! - Chris
@rameybutler-hm7nx
@rameybutler-hm7nx Күн бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain Atari force is like beloved by a lot of 80's kids but to me it was just random sci fi with no cohesion.
@williamjackson6705
@williamjackson6705 2 күн бұрын
I absolutely love this series. I've got the entire series but would love an over-sized hardcover. The artwork by Garcia-Lopez & Barretto was gorgeous.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Garcia-Lopez’s work on this is second to none. Someone said that Dynamite got the reprint rights but squandered them. If there was an Artist’s edition… swoon..!! - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Agreed! The artwork on the whole run of this series was just stunningly good. World class. - Steven
@AlexDerrick_DP
@AlexDerrick_DP 2 күн бұрын
This needed to printed on Baxter paper.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Yeah… if only. - Chris
@karlosn5579
@karlosn5579 2 күн бұрын
Dynamite bought the rights to reprint this and never did anything at all.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, that’s tragic. - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Күн бұрын
What a waste. The people need their ATARI FORCE! - Steven
@byronschexnayder875
@byronschexnayder875 4 күн бұрын
HEY STEVENAWESOME REVIEW OF THIS WORLD'S FINEST(once again, I have yet to read this) comic drawn by now one of my favorite comic artists(mostly due to COMICS ROT YOUR BRAIN's exposure, the "THRILLER" episode, THANK YOU) TREVOR VON EEDEN(is there really two E's in his name?) but...............................................this episode is dismally vacant of the matter of fact cinematic and historical knowledge of the one and only Christopher Derrik whose ponderous thoughts play so well off your hyperactive passion and sheer honesty of these 80's comic treasures whose golden splendor i get to peak at with every episode
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 4 күн бұрын
@@byronschexnayder875 Hey Byron! So glad you enjoyed this episode! And I’m ecstatic that you now count TVE as one of your favorite comic book artists! Yup, two E’s in Eeden - very unique, just like his art! And fear not, tho our very next episode will be a Chris Derrick solo joint, the following episode will feature both of us, reuniting like Voltron! - Steven
@byronschexnayder875
@byronschexnayder875 4 күн бұрын
@ComicsRotYourBrain VOLTRON⚡️NOW YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE 🤩😎🤪
@KC-fi6rk
@KC-fi6rk 5 күн бұрын
A criminally under rated book! Paul smiths art is beautiful and Robinson writes the heck out of this. I wanted these guys to revisit the all star squadron era in an ongoing series so bad. The final page of this I thought kind of transitions to new frontier.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, I agree, it would have been fantastic if Robinson and Smith continued into an ongoing series after this. But yes, totally, that final page of THE GOLDEN AGE is a lovely segue to the awesomeness that is THE NEW FRONTIER. - Steven
@KC-fi6rk
@KC-fi6rk 5 күн бұрын
Something I just learned recently was that Matt Baker who drew phantom lady in the 40’s was the first known African American artists to find success in comics. He was pretty young possibly high school when he started.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 4 күн бұрын
Yes, Matt Baker is a fascinating figure in comics history! Truly an amazing artist and such a huge trailblazer for many reasons. He was also the artist for one of the first graphic novels ever: IT RHYMES WITH LUST. I don’t know what age Matt Baker was when he started working professionally, but he is somebody that I’ve always wanted to learn more about because his art is so terrific. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Oh, we might want to do deep dive on him! - Chris
@KC-fi6rk
@KC-fi6rk 5 күн бұрын
If you merged gene colon from phantom zone mini series and Keith giffen from the legion 5 years later it would look like this. Very energetic and fluid.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 4 күн бұрын
I love this comparison!! Yes, I can totally see what you mean. I adore Gene Colan’s work SO MUCH, and I have very strong feelings about Giffen’s, as well. But yeah, great call on the vibe that Von Eeden’s work here is capturing!! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Five Years Later is the best! - Chris
@theafronaut4131
@theafronaut4131 5 күн бұрын
This was a great review of Mr Eden's masterpiece. Until you mentioned it, I wasn't aware of the World's Finest or the Batman and the Outsiders issues. I'll track them down!
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 5 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed this episode and I’m thrilled that it’s inspired you to track down Von Eeden’s issues of WORLD’S FINEST and BATMAN @ THE OUTSIDERS. It’s all amazing work and so incredibly unique! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 2 күн бұрын
Gotta get your disposable income ready when a new CRYB episode drops - Chris
@MrScroogedmcduck
@MrScroogedmcduck 6 күн бұрын
Green arrow
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 6 күн бұрын
Yes!! We are definitely covering Von Eeden’s brilliant GREEN ARROW mini-series in the near future! - Steven
@jamesedwardclard
@jamesedwardclard 6 күн бұрын
this art reminds me of Guido Crepax
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 6 күн бұрын
Yeah, I could totally see why you’d say that - it’s like a combo of messiness and elegance that does feel reminiscent of Crepax. It’s just so crazy to experience these very European vibes on a Superman/Batman team-up book! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 6 күн бұрын
My familiarity with Crepax is sorely lacking - Chris
@jamesedwardclard
@jamesedwardclard 6 күн бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain FantaGraphics have been putting out collection of his complete works, They're beautiful books, bit expensive though. He's Italian. Best know for his one character Valentino, who is based on the Silent era actress Louis Brooks. Heavy Metal has reprinted some of his stuff back in the day. Frank Miller's Sin City style is influenced by him.
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing 7 күн бұрын
Wow! Those panels look psychotic
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 7 күн бұрын
@@resistancepublishing Haha, I prefer “inspired” and “alive” but yeah, I know what you mean. The art in these issues carries an electric charge! - Steven
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing 7 күн бұрын
@ psychotic in a very good way lol. I love it. I’m now going to dig deep to find more works from Trevor. I think a major reason why most artists fade away into obscurity is because their artwork lacks that electrical excitement in the characters movement. Present day Jim Lee (looks great for a minute but lacks long term appeal) is starting to go down that road.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 7 күн бұрын
Glad you meant “psychotic” in a good way! 😊 Yeah, I totally agree that a huge problem with ton of comic book artists is that they have a lifeless “finish” to their linework (especially these days). The vitality and energy in Von Eeden’s linework is without parallel in ‘80s comics. Check out his penciling/inking on THRILLER, which we covered in an earlier video on this channel - the art on that comic is staggeringly visceral, just radiating with emotion. - Steven
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing 6 күн бұрын
@ I knew of Trevor’s work before but I didn’t pay attention to it until I saw you Thriller video. I’m going invest in collecting his work and study it
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 6 күн бұрын
@@resistancepublishing Oh, that’s so awesome! That’s literally exactly what Chris and I were hoping would happen when we shined more of a light on Von Eeden! So many phenomenal talents from ‘80s comics deserve more attention… and that’s why our show exists! Thanks for your great comments! Much appreciated. - Steven
@matthewpounder9938
@matthewpounder9938 7 күн бұрын
Some of the most distinctive comic artists always seemed to be the ones doing fill in issues for some reason.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 7 күн бұрын
Totally true! I think that’s how I first saw Michael Golden, Gil Kane, Denys Cowan, and Von Eeden’s work. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 6 күн бұрын
It might the only way the editors can get them work until they’ve earned the trust. - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 7 күн бұрын
This is an experimental episode, the first of our "One-Shots" - shorter discussions on single issues or brief runs. Some of these will be one of us covering a book solo; others will be both of us offering a less loquacious than usual version of the CRYB treatment! - Chris
@Dylbot2099
@Dylbot2099 7 күн бұрын
Great video! I've loved this since first seeing it in Epic illustrated when I was about 10, too young really but I just loved the artwork! How did you get a digital version? I'd love to have one.
@Z-ef1rr
@Z-ef1rr 7 күн бұрын
👍💥
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 6 күн бұрын
Ima need a little more than that!! Ha ha ha - Chris
@byronschexnayder875
@byronschexnayder875 16 күн бұрын
HEY STEVE AND CHRIS, DO YOY GUYS SELL A T-SHIRT OF THE COMICS ROT YOUR BRAIN LOGO THAT YOU GUYS USE FOR THE SHOW? IF YOU DID I WOULD TOTALLY BUY IT AND GET MY FRIENDS TO BUY IT TOO🤩😎🤪🖤💜💕
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 15 күн бұрын
Thank you for asking - much appreciated! Chris and I have discussed merchandise and we plan to have some soon - probably a shirt and a beanie. Maybe even an over the shoulder bag that’s exactly comic book-sized! Stay tuned… We’ll definitely let everyone know as soon as any of it’s available! - Steven
@byronschexnayder875
@byronschexnayder875 15 күн бұрын
@ComicsRotYourBrain AWESOME🤩😎🤪
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 7 күн бұрын
We’re working on it. Maybe by the end of the month they’ll be available here on the CRYB YouTub channel page and our website www.comicsrotyourbrain.com
@stevenboyd3756
@stevenboyd3756 19 күн бұрын
I loved this story, and the art of Pepe Moreno. I loved his work in Rebel, also. Back I was deep into Heavy Metal and Epic magazine. I miss both of those mags. I learned so much from them both, and was exposed to art and artists that I'd never seen before. Those were the days.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 19 күн бұрын
Marvel played itself to the Nth degree shutting down Epic right around the time Vertigo was taking off. I don’t think I’d still be a comic fan if it wasn’t for the art, stories, and creators published in Epic. There’s so much more for the medium to offer - Chris
@tomdulski3729
@tomdulski3729 23 күн бұрын
If you like this Pepe also did a comic called REBEL while not quite as good as this it's still light years ahead of most other stuff.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 23 күн бұрын
Yeah, thanks for the suggestion. I’ve seen the cover and some of the interiors from REBEL - it does look super dope! I’m sure I will check it out at some point when I need another Moreno fix. - Steve
@stevewik2280
@stevewik2280 23 күн бұрын
If you REALLY want your mind blown by a serialized story from Epic Illustrated, look up Abraxas and the Earthman. (or the collected edition if you can find it)
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 23 күн бұрын
Oh, I adore Rick Veitch!! He is SO underrated and perhaps the ONLY person who could have followed Moore, Bissette & Totleben on SWAMP THING and done so insanely well. Talk about some intimidating footsteps to follow… Yikes! Veitch is one of the greats - thank you for reminding me about ABRAXAS! I am familiar with the existence of it, but I’ve never read it and always wanted to. Consider it added to our list for the show! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 23 күн бұрын
I know the Abraxas story, I didn’t get to read it all b/c I have gaps in my Epic collection but it deserves a review for this show! - Chris
@stevewik2280
@stevewik2280 23 күн бұрын
It's not lost, I can see my copy of the collected edition on the shelf from here. :P
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 23 күн бұрын
😂😂
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 23 күн бұрын
Uh… and your shelf is hidden in the netherworld?
@tomdulski3729
@tomdulski3729 25 күн бұрын
The enemy army is clearly just him using early 80's East German army photos and illustrating them
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
@@tomdulski3729 Yeah, that’s a good point. I could totally see that. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 24 күн бұрын
Yes! I feel like that gives the work a verisimilitude that him making up future army uniforms would fail to deliver on. - Chris
@tomdulski3729
@tomdulski3729 25 күн бұрын
I only had the last issue as a teen but loved it, I went back years later and bought the TPB to finally get the whole story
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
@@tomdulski3729 You were lucky to get the paperback while you could! I have a feeling they didn’t print too many of these puppies. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the wild. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 24 күн бұрын
Ah. I still recommend getting the Epic issues ‘cause of the John Bolton and Kaluta stories. - Chris
@byronschexnayder875
@byronschexnayder875 25 күн бұрын
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS A NEW EPISODE OF COMICS ROT YOUR BRAIN I've been going thru CRYB withdraw to the point where I was going to build a time machine and just go back to the 80s and get these comics THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHRIS AND STEVEN for yet again saving the day
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
We’re working to drop episodes more frequently! Stay tuned! - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 24 күн бұрын
I still think that building a time machine to go back to the ‘80s is an excellent idea, tho - if you’re successful, please let us know so we can hitch a ride with you! - Steven
@AldousOnTheFarm
@AldousOnTheFarm 26 күн бұрын
Generation Zero? Hell yes, great to hear someone talking about it. Also, kudos for the Hugo Pratt "Corto Maltese" reference.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
Yeah, seriously! This comic is pretty much the definition of “obscure” and that’s so crazy when you look at how gorgeous the art is. Glad you enjoyed Chris’ invocation of the great Hugo Pratt & CORTO MALTESE! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
I’m in awe that you know of this! Hats off to you, my man! - Chris
@AlexDerrick_DP
@AlexDerrick_DP 26 күн бұрын
Nice one Chris and Steve.. I don't remember this book growing up, the art kind of reminds me of Air Tight Garage / Heavy Metal. Love the saturated colors, and also how the color palette moves from panel to panel. That kind of ink / gouache color application especially the gradients and cross hatching reminds me of Möbius. Cool book.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
I don’t know if we read all the Epic Illustrated issues of this series. I had gaps in my collection when we were preparing for this episode.- Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
Glad you dug the episode! Thank you for commenting, too! And yeah, good call on the Moebius/Heavy Metal vibe… that was totally one of my very first thoughts upon seeing this, as well. Moreno’s work here is extraordinary - glad we could get a few more eyeballs on it! - Steven
@MarcMcKenzie-qb6or
@MarcMcKenzie-qb6or 23 күн бұрын
Epic Illustrated was Marvel's answer of sorts to HEAVY METAL magazine. I still have a number of issues and it was a great experiment by Marvel. Really great stories and art in those issues, especially GENERATION ZERO.
@terribled
@terribled 26 күн бұрын
I've been trying to find this for a few years. Any copy online is a little pricy, but I may have to bite the bullet. This and rebel both look astounding.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
I’d consider hunting down the Epic Illustrated single issues. They might be easier to find and certainly less expensive - Chris
@terribled
@terribled 25 күн бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain Actually, the $60 collection might actually be cheaper at this point.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
@@terribled Wow, that’s crazy. Well… It’s worth it! - Steven
@bfitzger2
@bfitzger2 26 күн бұрын
I remember reading this when it came out. I have fond memories of it, and now I need to dig these copies out of storage and re-visit them. Thanks for the discussion and reminder!
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
Glad to have sparked a memory. I’d love to see DC do another print run! - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
Our pleasure! Thank you so much for commenting! - Steven
@stinkymotor
@stinkymotor 26 күн бұрын
where can i buy this comic?
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
It was serialized in Epic Illustrated magazine issues #17 - #23. It was also collected in a single edition and you can find some of those on Amazon or eBay but they’re kinda expensive. Might be cheaper to find copies of those Epic Illustrated issues. - Steven
@stinkymotor
@stinkymotor 26 күн бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain thankyou
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 25 күн бұрын
There’s definitely Epic Illustrated’s on eBay (also, it’s up through Epic #24) - Chris
@MichaelDaFonte
@MichaelDaFonte 26 күн бұрын
Playing the video now. The right pick me up to a long day. I really appreciate long conversation formats on interesting comic book topics.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
We aim to deliver the deep dives from comics of yesteryear! They’re tremendously fascinating and lingering far longer than comics of today. Thanks for listening!! - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 26 күн бұрын
Hey, thanks for the kind words! Glad this episode was a bright spot in your day. We feel like so many of these ‘80s comics have not been discussed enough… so we’re trying our damndest to make up for that! :) - Steven
@cpotts1
@cpotts1 Ай бұрын
The original Alien Legion logo design was by Walter Simonson.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Love it! Did Simonson create any other comic logos? Any other design elements for Alien Legion? - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Appreciate you chiming in with the inside scoop, Carl! And thank you for the awesomeness that is ALIEN LEGION! - Steven
@cpotts1
@cpotts1 Ай бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain The logo was the only thing Simonson did on Alien Legion. Another artist who did a lot of great logos for me was Kevin Nowlan. He did logos for The Punisher miniseries, The Sword of Solomon Kane miniseries, Gargoyle miniseries, Rocket Raccoon miniseries, the new (in the 1980s) Strange Tales logo, and the new Doctor Strange logo.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
The Doctor Strange logo from that bi-monthly early ‘80s run is my favorite run of the character. Fun fact to know that Nowlan has those additional design chops, especially pre-desktop publishing’s reliance on fonts. - Chris
@Angel-Otk
@Angel-Otk Ай бұрын
22:11 if you speed it up to 1.5x it sounds like Uncanny Omar😭💀
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Who listens at 1.5x? 1,25 is the max 😂🤣 - Chris
@Angel-Otk
@Angel-Otk Ай бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrainyou’re saying you slow uncanny Omar’s videos down to watch him?🤔💀
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
@@Angel-Otk Ok, I just had to go look up Uncanny Omar because I was so confused by this exchange… 😵‍💫 - Steven
@Angel-Otk
@Angel-Otk 15 күн бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrainyou and him are my favorite comic book KZbinrs 😮‍💨😮‍💨
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain 14 күн бұрын
@ Awww, thanks! That’s awesome to hear 😊 - Steven
@anthonyjr9722
@anthonyjr9722 Ай бұрын
I’m almost 40 and I haven’t seen this character since I was a kid getting free comics at the library. This makes me smile
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Happy to provide you with a smile - we all need more of those! And props to your childhood library for giving out copies of GRENDEL to kids - now that’s a cool library! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Wow, your public library had Grendel! That’s awesome and shocking. - Chris
@kasrasadrehashemi174
@kasrasadrehashemi174 Ай бұрын
Wait did you not do this last year?
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Yeah, we did, good catch! We’d just never been happy with the audio on the original version, so we decided to fix up the sound and repost the episode with a snazzy new thumbnail. Sorry if it gave you deja vu listening to it again, haha. All new episode coming next week! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
You won’t believe what’s coming next! I can’t believe it! - Chris
@jfrsnjhnsn
@jfrsnjhnsn Ай бұрын
OK, the white kid does not get Grendel at all. He is not “inspired by Beowulf”, for one thing. For another thing, Grendel is a phenomenon, not a spirit. The only characters who perceive Grendel as a spirit are mentally ill people. there was one story where you did hear the Grendel spirit’s voice, but I think that was just a fun experiment, as if we the reader were mentally ill. In all other stories, Grendel is just an inciting motivation. Also, Hunter Rose was the kingpin of crime. Argent worked with the police.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
@@jfrsnjhnsn 😂 You edited your comment, but you’re still wrong about about nearly everything you wrote, including my skin color and age. Lol, better luck next time. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
I kinda recall reading in the lettercol for Grendel Tales, Matt Wagner pointing that Grendel was the manifestation of aggression that was initially transferred to the fork and mask. And he does talk about John Gardner’s Beowulf as inspiration - Chris
@allanmcpherson9584
@allanmcpherson9584 Ай бұрын
Id love it if you guys took a look at Mr X or Deadworld!
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
MR. X is absolutely on our list! I am fascinated by that book and I’m pretty sure I have all the floppies at this point, after decades of picking it up whenever I saw it in a dollar bin lol. Such cool covers! And I never read DEADWORLD, but I remember seeing it around. Will add it to our list! Thanks for commenting! - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Dean Motter’s Mr X? Ha ha ha, I was just thinking about that Vertigon series he did with Michael Lark. Be curious to revisit Mr X… - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
TERMINAL CITY! That was such a cool looking book - early Michael Lark! - Steven
@sammcfarlane2494
@sammcfarlane2494 Ай бұрын
Is this a superhero series?
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
No, definitely not. But all the more interesting because of it! GRENDEL explores things that it would be very hard for your typical superhero comic to ever go near. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
We WILL do some superhero books but more unique stabs, and only a few things from Marvel and DC. Unless the listeners have suggestions (we will take listener requests, as soon will be evident). - Chris
@sammcfarlane2494
@sammcfarlane2494 Ай бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain got any Indie superhero comics
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
@@sammcfarlane2494 We’ve talked about covering ELEMENTALS, but we’re not sure if we will. THE NEW STATESMEN was kinda an interesting WATCHMEN riff that was put out in the UK. And I personally want to cover some of the Archie RED CIRCLE superhero line from the ‘80s (including Alex Toth’s THE FOX). So, we’ll see! - Steven
@sammcfarlane2494
@sammcfarlane2494 Ай бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain is that a yes on the Indie superhero comics?
@joeq.publicus3616
@joeq.publicus3616 Ай бұрын
Why do you guys keep saying that Argent is a criminal. He's a cop and Grendel is the criminal it's always been that way. Didn't you guys do any research?
@allanmcpherson9584
@allanmcpherson9584 Ай бұрын
They were pretty clear that they weren't familiar with the Hunter Rose story.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Thank you, Allan! Yeah, we tried to be upfront about that - Chris read DEVIL BY THE DEED decades ago, but it can be hard to remember every last detail when you’ve read thousands of comics inbetween lol. And for the record, regardless of what was said later, I did state that Hunter Rose was a “vigilante/crime boss” about one minute into the episode. Thanks for listening! - Steven
@joeq.publicus3616
@joeq.publicus3616 Ай бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain I really appreciate the response and love the show. I'm joining the Patreon.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
@@joeq.publicus3616 That’s awesome. Great to hear and thank you for the support. - Steven
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Ack! Yes, you’re right about Argent. I didn’t have good recall of Devil By The Deed (those Hunter Rose stories never appealed to me; I feel the Netflix show didn’t go because it was about Hunter not Christine, which would have been more unique). - Chris
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
🎙 SHOW NOTES Steven and Chris obsess over issues one through seven of the quintessential ‘80s comic book, Comico’s GRENDEL (1986), featuring perhaps the dopest indie comics character of all time; they cover roughly the first half of the “Devil’s Legacy” story arc and reckon with the lasting resonance of Matt Wagner’s extraordinary exploration of evil. Mask Off, Lady Vengeance! RE: GRENDEL: “…a brave and possibly even reckless experiment that has succeeded admirably." - Alan Moore (WATCHMEN) 🧭 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Show Music Fade-in 00:32 - Intro to GRENDEL. Move over, Batman! The Dark Knight ain’t the only violent vigilante in town! Cue a valiant attempt to summarize the fascinatingly unique, complex concept of GRENDEL 03:12 - “DEVIL’S LEGACY” …Christine Spar dons the mask of the fiend. SHE is GRENDEL! 20:39 - The amazing Pander Brothers! ...and the inking of their highly stylized work - touching on ‘80s fashion art, Aeon Flux, and Patrick Nagel. The Pander Bros = style AND substance, plus “They draw some of the best hands in comics!” 29:10 - The eye-popping sales of the first issue of GRENDEL - 68,000 copies! 30:54 - How to pronounce “Comico” 37:22 - DC Comics’ amazing BLUE DEVIL by Paris Cullins, Dan Mishkin & Gary Cohn 38:42 - The cleverly titled TEMPUS FUGITIVE by Ken Steacy; NOW Comics, ASTRO BOY, SPEED RACER 40:17 - THE SACRED & THE PROFANE by Dean Motter & Ken Steacy 41:14 - The bizarre & mostly unnoticed WAR BEARS from Dark Horse Comics by Margaret Atwood (!) & Ken Steacy 42:38 - Our conjecture re: why Matt Wagner brought in other artists on GRENDEL and why modern comics artists are no longer able to do long-ass runs on a series 48:15 - The looser, more gestural art of Hayden Sherman and Ashley Wood - drawing awesome comics with styles built for speed 50:57 - The super dense verbiage of Matt Wagner’s writing in this run of GRENDEL 55:06 - “THE DEVIL’S LAIR,” the GRENDEL letter column - Diana Schutz responds to a critical letter about Matt’s “wordy” approach, defending his “intentionally complex” writing choices 1:01:15 - GRENDEL: WARCHILD, Grendel Prime, the exquisite art of Simon Bisley 1:04:33 - Great unfinished stories in comic books - THE AERIALIST, TYRANT, BIG NUMBERS 1:08:51 - Edvin Biukovic & Darko Macan, the brilliant Croatian artist/writer team that created GRENDEL TALES: DEVILS AND DEATHS 1:12:33 - The progressive, multicultural, racial dynamics in this run of GRENDEL 1:13:33 - “…There’s so much greatness in the idea of GRENDEL…” 1:37:57 - The similarities between the mask designs for GRENDEL and SPAWN Comics Rot Your Brain! is a deep dive into ‘80s comics (plus a few noteworthy exceptions). Screenwriters Chris Derrick (STAR TREK: PICARD) and Steven Bagatourian (AMERICAN GUN) discuss their favorite books, runs, and creators from the Bronze Age. + We appreciate your support of the show via Patreon: www.patreon.com/comicsrotyourbrain
@rameybutler-hm7nx
@rameybutler-hm7nx Ай бұрын
Talking about the bloodstone, in the 90's captain america had a multipart story about the hunt for the bloodstone. It really is one of caps best written stories.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
Isn’t his daughter involved in that one? I only vaguely remember it, I might even have the issues. Thanks for the tip! - Chris
@RarebitFiends
@RarebitFiends Ай бұрын
I would love to hear you two discuss Ginger Fox too. :D Mike Baron and Mitch O'Connell created the original Comico-published graphic novel, and relevant to this episode, Baron collaborated with the Pander Bros on a 4 issue Ginger Fox mini. I would love to hear your thoughts on their own sci-fi comic XXX too.
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
I never read Ginger Fox but I remember seeing it and always being curious about it. I actually have read the Pander Bros’ XXX, their sci-fi comic - I picked it up in single issues and also got the monster purple trade collecting all 12 or whatever. To be honest, I thought it looked amazing - the two-tone art was lovely - but my recollection is that I had trouble caring about or finishing the story. I would be down to revisit it, tho! Thanks for the great comments! - Steven
@RarebitFiends
@RarebitFiends Ай бұрын
@@ComicsRotYourBrain Ginger Fox is interesting, the kind of comic that could only happen in the 1980s. Ginger is a movie studio exec. I know you guys are Mike Baron marks (me too) and between Mitch O'Connell and the Pander Bros, the art is great and fun throughout. And weird, XXX is one of my favorite comics from that era. It's been a decade or two since I sat down to read it cover to cover though. Your comment has me questioning myself, I am going to have to give it a re-read too. 😅
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
@@RarebitFiends Ginger Fox sounds like a fun - and yes, super ‘80s - romp of a comic. And haha, I don’t mean to make you question your memories of XXX! I just know that I tried to get into it multiple times, but I never could… Something about the writing just didn’t click for me. Who knows, maybe I’d love it now. I’ll give it another chance one day. - Steven
@allanmcpherson9584
@allanmcpherson9584 Ай бұрын
​@ComicsRotYourBrain I actually was about to suggest Ginger Fox!
@ComicsRotYourBrain
@ComicsRotYourBrain Ай бұрын
@@allanmcpherson9584 Haha, awesome! We’ll count that as two votes for GINGER FOX! - Steven