Sometimes it pays off late in the game when removal cards are gone. An early game seedborne muse is a huge mistake. I’ve been at the end of that mistake many times 😅

I wanted to but I didn’t think most of the fallout commanders are powerful. I would’ve been more like a top 5 of top 3.

Thanks a million.

I don’t see those effects being that powerful. Unless I’m missing something!?

@@CommandersCitadel he has a few 1 shot combos. Doing 24 damage in on turn 4 was fun

@@redblackdg what combos are they?

@@CommandersCitadel twinfernal and choose a weapon. Twinfernal is copy next spell or give double strike (Modal) choose your weapon is get +x/+x or deal 5 damage to a creature with flying. So give double strike and double power after you used a modal spell to make Riku a 12/12

@@redblackdg Hahaha, that’s a good one. It’s a player removal combo, I love it!

He didn’t make the cut. Sacrificing big mana creatures as opposed to creatures with big attack made the difference.

Not a bad commander but I don’t think he’s top 10 strongest. Unless I’m missing something. You’ll have to show me your build.

@@CommandersCitadel I just think compared to gisa he's def better, especially if you just do the hull breaker horror combo for infinite storm count making as many zombies as you want, I have polymorph in my deck and hull breaker is my only creature so you can just basically tutor him out and do the combo. Also if the stars align kindred discovery can draw ur entire deck or just it on its own can draw you plenty of cards for you just casting spells.

Have fun. Let me know which ones you decide to make.

A monstrosity it is. Have fun with the deck. You’re going to enjoy it.

Not sure what you mean!?!?

I'm certain this will clear the air for you. You are right in one regard. This deck will not stand a chance in a Cedh tournament because this deck is not a cedh deck. It's a high power casual deck. I am well aware on what Cedh is. In fact the problem I have is with the "C" in Cedh. "Competitive" Cedh decks and players are hyper focused in the "Win at all cost" mentally and strategy. While Cedh can be fun, fun is more of a byproduct in those games. Not to mention that all Cedh decks are build the same way. (Mana rocks, free spells, tutors, interaction and finally an instant "I win" combo) Usually Thassas oracle/Tainted pact. In your case with Malcom/Tana it's probably a (Glint-horn buccaneer + other pinger, Kiki-jiki+corrido monitor, or Dualcaster Mage+twinfalme) or somewhere along those lines I'm certain. Unless you are actually competing, cedh decks in my opinion are not fun because the win condition is repetitive in all their decks. There's a reason casual and cedh are separated even though they're in the same format. The reason you're seeing more decks like this is because people are realizing and understanding the differences. Maybe it's a sign for you to relax on building cutthroat Cedh decks and prioritize having fun. I can say the same with high power edh decks and budget edh decks. I get that not everyone has $4-$6K to drop on a deck. Fortunately I play casually with friends to have fun so for those reason we play with proxies. Even our LGS allow us to play with proxies. It's a great environment where your deck idea and build isn't limited to the money you make. We don't play for prizes, only for fun. So while this Omnath deck you looked at may cost $6K to build it only costed me $30 total including sleeves and a deck box. You can make this deck budget friendly if you really wanted to. Most staples and dual lands is significantly increasing the price of this deck but the core of the deck is what really matters and with just that you can make this deck with about $300-$400 give or take. I have a real Cedh Kenrith, the returned king deck worth over 10k that I haven't played with in over 4 years because I don't have much fun playing with it. That's not just my opinion but the opinions of most people I play with. Cedh is not fun. I get a greater sense of satisfaction beating my opponents down to 0 with stompy creatures over and instant "I win" combo. I'm glad I inspired you to finally create your channel because you inspired me to make a video on the differences between Cedh and edh. I wish you the best. If you're ever in the Los Angeles area and want to dip your toes in casual matches let me know. I have plenty of decks you can borrow. Mtg players are always welcomed. Hopefully this shined some light in your understanding with the style. I would truly like to know your thoughts after this.

Phyrexian dreadnought is an interesting card in the deck. I might try that out and see how it goes. Thanks for the suggestion. Good for you. I on the other hand need to be toxic with my playgroup. That’s how we entertain ourselves.lol

@@CommandersCitadel i have salty decks too! dreadnought was amazing every time until now... i attack and people declare blockers, not expecting something giant like that without flickering and having it leave combat, flip for 1 and bam xD theres a morph card called experiment twelve which lets creatures that are flipped get +1/+1 counters equal to their power, so he was a 24/24 trample for 1 mana once, but even "just" 12/12 is definitely not going to be expected

Why play cEDH at all? ... it's not fun ..

I played both high power and Cedh extensively. Cedh decks are concerned with winning at all cost. While Cedh decks can be fun I noticed that "fun" is more of a byproduct. There Is a different sense of satisfaction when you drop all your opponents life to 0 with stompy creatures or burn spells vs an infinite combo that results in an instant "I win". Theres a reason why those 2 styles are separated even though its in the same EDH format. The table I play with are there to have fun, not to compete.

i think high power is more attractive than low power... im most comfortable when the game is paced up and a little tense instead of nothing at all happening until turn 5/6 and games taking 15-20 turns to end, only thing i dislike is cheap / below three card instant win cons

@@miomio1901 Agreed! Not a fan of the same thassas oracle/ demonic consolation combo wins. I’ve been seeing a lot of that even in casual matches. That stuff should stay in cEDH.

The deck list is merely an idea. You can make all necessary cuts you need if you want to make it budget friendly.

There are maybe 3 cards in the thousand range this deck can do without. One of them being gaeas cradle, a $2500 card. That’s more than half the price right there. With 4-5 high price card cuts you can make this deck affordable.

Try changing generals. You might find that this one is a bit OP.

You can totally swap Koma for It that betrays. Koma can often be a sleeper card. When it gets out of hand its almost too late for your opponents to control it. With It that betrays your opponents are likely to kill it on sight. There's a high chance I may not survive the turn cycle. I have enough eldrazis and other creature with a priority killing on their backs. Conjures closet is a good edition but I can't make room for another 5 drop. The cost is too high.

@@CommandersCitadel you dont really ned to cast things if you don't want to in the deck. vannifar effectively set ups permanents to blink. You can blink morphed/flipped permanent to get them back face up. and if your afraid to play threats out right you can bait out removal by playing things face down and letting your opponents imagination run wild especially since a face down big eldrazi will shuffle everything back in. just blinking it that betrays with portal to phyrexia using something like Displace or illusionist stratagem makes sure that the value is retained as the etbs and timing gets funky. conjureres closet can be wild. Once its face up or you cast it value is insane especially since your flipping omniscience.

Maybe it’s time a for change in colors. It won’t be a downgrade I’ll tell you that much.

@@CommandersCitadel I've been dunking on simic commander for to many years now. My pod would eat me alive if I showed up with one haha

@@ohthatpie lmao! Your pride will take a devastating hit that will last about a year but you won’t regret it.

That is a great idea. Do you have a deck list?

Thank you!@@CommandersCitadel Yes, I have a decklist on Moxfield and have tried several times to share the link here. The reply was always deleted and I don't know why.

Indeed it is. No one has been playing it the way I have. Once they see it the jig is up. Take advantage until they do. Lose some friends!!

I just played it tonight. Turn 2-3 omniscience, Jin gitaxis, c- sphinx, eldrazi. Gross

@@jdelaney427 That’s what I’m talking about out.

Haha, my man. You got it!!

Thank you. Have fun playing with it.

That is not a bad suggestion. You’re right about the 1st 3 turns being a bit awkward but I can see that land being a great include for deck. Thanks a million!!

The deck doesn’t need too many combos to finish the game. I think the dockside/saber tooth combo is more than plenty. Plus my table isn’t to fond of Infinite combos. It sheds several tears.lol.

Lmfao!! The deck list is yours for the taking. I’ll take any tips you can give me.

You would think so but but with 21 ramps spells and 15 draw spells this deck has no problem finding it’s mana. I’m all for proxies. I enjoy games not being limited to money. I believe it makes the games highly enjoyable. Good luck with the build. Let me know how it goes.

I’ve considered adding more lifelink to the deck. I noticed that once you get to 15 life you’re not likely to win.

Hey, you have decklist for me? Thanks.

I agree! The deck's strategy is pretty repetitive but I think that's the case with most Rowan decks. There aren't many different direction you can take her without sacrifice power. As far as early game loss, I wouldn't suggest waiting too long to get the engine going either. The idea of this deck is to lose a massive amount of life in the early turns to secure the game because you're likely to be at high life with plenty to spare. Once your table gets familiar with this deck you will be all 3 of your opponents main target of attack. The longer the game goes, your chances of winning become nonexistent. It's already in the ranks of KILL ON SIGHT. The early life loss does depend on what you have in your hand as well. I am more than willing to lose 3 life from a search land into a shock land to cast a Bolas's Citadel for only 3 black mana. The deck is filled with many low cost cards that can take advantage of even 1 life lost. I would like to see your build if you have a link to it?

Thanks a million. Careful with this deck. Once your pod knows what the deck can do you immediately become the archenemy. It paints a huge red target on you.

Much obliged. Appreciate the sub my good man.

A lot of people are sleeping on this card with Omnath. It's devastating when you pull it off. Great minds think alike. I'm down to be BBF my good man. If you have a list of your Omnath deck I would like to see it. Maybe I can get some tips from it.

Not on purpose.

@tavianfink8382 that’s not too bad. At least you got something out of it.

Kill on sight elder and Mike. Lol

@@mexican82 I see your plan now! You not winning no more games! Muahahahaha

@@michaelhernandez3499I’ll just silence you so you won’t interact with my plays. 😈

It really is and thank you. Glad to hear you enjoyed the video.

I do run prosperity and Mings aglow. I mention them on minute 3:00 of the video. This is an incredibly fun deck indeed. usually one wheel is enough to get the engine going.

Thank you! Have fun playing with it.

You already know! Countering Etali is the best way to stop it, that’s why I went heavy on anti blue.

It really is

Glad you liked it. You’re right. The math slipped my mind. Nice catch. Thanks.

I'm really happy to hear my deck tech was helpful. Omnath is an amazing commander! You will have a wonderful time piloting this deck. I might be able to help. When you say budget friendly what exactly would that amount be?

@@CommandersCitadel My LGS league has a $100 limit, so I’d try sticking to that

That’s great card for the deck. Didn’t know it existed. Thanks!!

Glad you like it!

I wouldn't be opposed to that idea. Omnath is quickly becoming a kill on sight general. Maybe a swiftfoot boots will do the trick.

I normally test my decks out against my play group before I make a deck tech on it and my playgroup doesn't play with budgets. It would be difficult to see how a budget deck competes against those types of decks. I'd suggest you stick with the main strategy on the vid and fill the rest of the deck with budget friendly cards. I would also stick with the 21 ramp, 15 draw and 15 removal card formula. That will help out tremendously. If you have your own build I can take a look at it and make some upgrades for you.