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@SPCEMN3
@SPCEMN3 13 сағат бұрын
00:50 Didn't you mean diminished 7th chords not diminished chords? Just checking. Great lesson and good level. :-)
@coryhill6575
@coryhill6575 14 сағат бұрын
Ive been looking for a video like this for at least 10 years
@zummo61
@zummo61 16 сағат бұрын
I wrote a 16 bar blues form using E7 C#7 E7 G7 E7 Bb7 G7 E7, but the Notes F D Ab and B make up the related dim V chord substitution. It is mind expanding to play this and see what happens as you superimpose dominant chords on each other over. It can cycle through many patterns.
@khudson4901
@khudson4901 Күн бұрын
Thos is a good lesson. Will need to listen and practice this idea 💡
@lawrencetaylor4101
@lawrencetaylor4101 Күн бұрын
Hmm, I haven't studied Barry Harris chords, since I'm still a Nooby. I decided to really learn triads first, and only recently started on sevenths. I was using the Diminished shords to learn keyboard technique about moving into the Dominant chords. I guess I was just doing what Barry said, but I wasn't doing that on the first degree. It makes sense to lower the 1st degree by a half step, so I'll add it to my practice. All that Jazz talk is out of my pat=y grade for now, since I don't want to sound like a shitty jazz musician. I'll start thinking about jazz when I've learned more basic techniques.
@TooShyForTea
@TooShyForTea 14 сағат бұрын
Jazz is a great teacher and inspiration even if you don't plan to play it. Maybe explore some bossa nova, really nice to play.
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic Күн бұрын
Get the PDF and Guitar Pro files for every example (plus access to a bonus etude) on Patreon: www.patreon.com/NathanBortonMusicPatreon ALSO, make sure to check out the links in the description to learn these concepts from Barry himself!
@KhyamThapa-z4l
@KhyamThapa-z4l Күн бұрын
Your lesson is the best in video in KZbin teaching jazz guitar 🎸🎸🎸
@KhyamThapa-z4l
@KhyamThapa-z4l Күн бұрын
You are so good 👍🏽
@KhyamThapa-z4l
@KhyamThapa-z4l Күн бұрын
Oh great bro thanks...I want to learn it's a very slow video please thanks 🙏🏽
@kh485
@kh485 2 күн бұрын
I contrast this tame guitar playing with the guitar gods that have played anthems with their teeth 🦷 smashed their guitars on stage and lit them on fire.😂 🎸💥🔥🔥
@toreilly100
@toreilly100 2 күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@jacobkaiser4419
@jacobkaiser4419 3 күн бұрын
You play great for a lass
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 2 күн бұрын
You’re to kind!! Lassie is such a good dog! 🐕
@hycus4292
@hycus4292 3 күн бұрын
Nathan, what do you mean with "...use THIS language..." Where is the dictionary ?? 😃
@hycus4292
@hycus4292 3 күн бұрын
I already know its in the previous video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/faXWdniinK6Dq9E)
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 2 күн бұрын
That’s just language (being phrases I transcribed) that outlines a certain sound. The first phrase is tonic dominant from Grant Green’s solo on Cool Blues. The second phrase is a V-I sound which I’m pretty also came from Cool Blues. :)
@retrocool
@retrocool Күн бұрын
@@NathanBortonMusic so it's a particular lick? You're suggesting those exact notes?
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic Күн бұрын
@ you don’t have yo use those exact notes if you have other language that fits into those sounds (tonic dominant and V-I) but I choose those likes because of how easy they are to connect to the mixolydian scale right before them. If you want some of my other videos you will see I teach about about sounds and language that fits over them. Other things, like rhythm, scales, arpeggios, melody, are the connective tissue that can hold the language together. Ultimately, transcribing language, then using that language trains our ear to understand what jazz sounds like (and feels like) to play so we when do things that aren’t language, it can still sound like jazz 👍
@stefanoguerrieri8531
@stefanoguerrieri8531 Күн бұрын
Hi ​@@NathanBortonMusicthanks. Could you clarify the link between the language and the family of dominant? I'm not getting the point. Thanks as usual.
@elementsofphysicalreality
@elementsofphysicalreality 3 күн бұрын
So you take your dominant, G7, add the dim chord on the b9, Abdim7, and then from there we’re just borrowing from dominants in minor thirds. And then do ii’s on those secondary dominants? Sounds like giant steps. John Coltrane did stuff like that.
@tbgtbg6311
@tbgtbg6311 3 күн бұрын
FANTASTIC, MUCHO FIESTA BROTHER!!!! 🙂💯💯💯💯
@JazzStrat781
@JazzStrat781 3 күн бұрын
Just wonderful content as always Nathan 👍🎸 thanks so much, hope you and yours are well!
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic Күн бұрын
Thanks JazzStart! Appreciate that, always happy to be helping! Happy practicing!
@kitwarren2493
@kitwarren2493 3 күн бұрын
Clearest explanation of this concept I’ve seen - cheers!
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic Күн бұрын
Very much appreciate that! Barry was such an amazing person, I hope videos like this one direct people to his teachings :)
@mccarthyblades2794
@mccarthyblades2794 4 күн бұрын
You are a very smart guy.
@bradking1536
@bradking1536 5 күн бұрын
Great job 🎉 thank you so much for sharing 🎉 Hope you are well God loves you deeply shalom 🤗🐼♥️✝️💐 Philippians 4:8
@valentineikediashi1091
@valentineikediashi1091 5 күн бұрын
There's this chord that I don't like, I don't know what that chord is, but I just don't like it.
@ingasdeutschschool2782
@ingasdeutschschool2782 7 күн бұрын
Nate your are a good teacher!
@SonicArchives
@SonicArchives 8 күн бұрын
They are related to F major not Bb as they are Dorian Mode phrases Book has mistakes
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 8 күн бұрын
Yes for sure! They are 100% dorian phrases, however it is weird because the minor conversion stated in the start of the book related it back to playing minor off the 6th... I took the path of trying to just lay out the book in this video to guide people through it (expect towards the end). It is kind of cool getting the lydian sound out of the Bb though! Some interesting phrases!
@SonicArchives
@SonicArchives 7 күн бұрын
@@NathanBortonMusic You did great job!, I think its a typo in book but there is no way to prove it now. Starting on different string is a great idea.
@andybaldman
@andybaldman 9 күн бұрын
What guitar is that?
@dimamas4935
@dimamas4935 11 күн бұрын
THANKS FOR ALL
@Matt_bechillin
@Matt_bechillin 11 күн бұрын
wes Montgomery learn this from John Coltrane, we all did. and why tell us the name? this is beginner superimposing
@vegasverb
@vegasverb 13 күн бұрын
Great approach. Thanks for sharing.
@Thelilredfurball
@Thelilredfurball 13 күн бұрын
Jazz.. I like it
@thomaswagner6495
@thomaswagner6495 13 күн бұрын
Good stuff. I didn't understand how a G- is the two of the five of C7 circa 6:30 but this is a great example of Pass' playing style.
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 13 күн бұрын
Thanks for your question, and appreciate the kind words! G- is the "ii-" because if you had a ii-V-I, and C7 was your V7 chord, then you would think backwards and ask yourself what is ii if C7 were the V7? Another way to think about it is just play minor off the 5th of the dominant chord. This concept is super important in jazz music and makes up the foundation for a lot of players methods (2=5=2) Hope this helps!
@HoratioLindez
@HoratioLindez 14 күн бұрын
Always awesome👊🏻
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 13 күн бұрын
Appreciate it!
@djffe8597
@djffe8597 14 күн бұрын
I like that you mentioned to listen to the Joe Pass album and also listen to big band stuff playing a lot of these tunes. It’s the same concept Melody and Phil’s but if you don’t understand the music, you’re not familiar with the feel or the sound or the tunes or even the lyrics It helps to know the music that you’re trying to play you can’t listen to the Eagles and try to play swing.
@djffe8597
@djffe8597 15 күн бұрын
I like your examples that you play to illustrate the concept they’re really probably the best i’ve seen
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 13 күн бұрын
Thank you :) I put alot of work into these lesson and am glad they are helping people!
@Niko-zr7ky
@Niko-zr7ky 15 күн бұрын
Pat's way of simplifying jazz improv + your easy to understand lessons make for a killer combo
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 13 күн бұрын
Appreciate that :)
@billjazznblues
@billjazznblues 15 күн бұрын
Moving dominants in minor thirds was a technique used by Bela Bartok in classical music decades ago. These are referred to as Bartok Substitutions. Using this as Pat M describes and also as Barry Harris outlines in his family of dominants took this concept into jazz and leads to great lines as described in this video. This can be played on any instrument and indeed works great on sax whether you use minor language, dominant language or even a lick from a Coltrane solo extracted and developed minor thirds e.g. a Love Supreme. Absolutely essential skill for any jazz player.
@khudson4901
@khudson4901 15 күн бұрын
Looking at this lesson again, this is great. Ill have to read the other post. But take the lesson. It provides connectivity.
@markplumb3968
@markplumb3968 16 күн бұрын
When you state for Am7 for Cmaj7 isn’t that scale just A aeolian and Dm7 for G7 is D dorian and Fm7 for Dm7 are you using F dorian or F aeolian It’s a little confusing…. I’m reasonably sure Pat states D dorian over the G7 but not sure how he approaches the II chord…
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 15 күн бұрын
It’s more about playing minor ideas over these chords rather than playing certain scales up and down. Take a look at the second half of the video where I go into application. As you can see there, some of the licks are honestly melodic minor while the others are Dorian… it all works though. Think of this as just another tool in the tool box. If you’re playing over Cmajor7, now you can play a- language along with the arpeggio of a-7 over Cmaj7, plus any language you have for Cmaj7 and the arpeggio!
@markplumb3968
@markplumb3968 16 күн бұрын
At 7.06 you say Dom conversion is built off the II ( you mean II V I ) In your other lesson you say it’s built off the V ( meaning the 5th note of the Dom chord ) Not trying to be pedantic but perhaps you should stick to one description so as not to confuse the unwary…..
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 16 күн бұрын
I could see how that could be confusing for some, thanks for the perspective!
@rumarkvideo
@rumarkvideo 16 күн бұрын
Hi Nathan, great lesson and thank you for sharing the link to our video series. It's very much appreciated!
@jamessidney2851
@jamessidney2851 17 күн бұрын
Pat could make it work, but any lesson about using Martino’s minor thing like a magic wand over every chord you come across should be prefaced with a warning: it’s not gonna be exceptionally illustrative of the underlying harmony all the time. It won’t necessarily sound out, but if this is all you are relying on, you may not be able to make it sound IN when you need it to. You’ll have to overcome this problem by adjusting your playing in very specific ways that are always shifting and particular to the moment. This will require you to be a highly developed musician. These ways might include adjusting the interval (can you intentionally move off the 4th and instead hit the major 3rd when playing a memorized pattern at a very fast tempo? Do you have the ear to tell you when/why that would be a good choice?), building a motif that carries you through the enharmonic moments with the necessary momentum, or just playing through tonal ambiguity with a certain sort of bravado (Pat did all three). But still, at best your results are going to have a certain stylistic sound that may not be exactly what you’re going for. It’s not quite like playing changes in the traditional way. Otherwise, go for it. It’s definitely a great tool to have in the arsenal, but you should know what you’re embracing when you embark. A lot of people get hung up trying to make something out of this idea and find themselves stymied from the get go. It’s a unique, odd, and interesting flavor but there’s a lot more to it than “just play this minor lick and then move it around the fretboard.” Also, make sure it’s not the only trick in your bag, obviously. When I play with a guy who uses this approach as his main thing I sniff it out in the first minute or two and I’m like “zzz.” But when I play with a well-rounded player who uses it as a go-to every now and then it can sound really badass.
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 17 күн бұрын
I don’t think the goal was to make it a “this is how you play jazz” lesson. Of course it’s KZbin, so the video has to be packaged a certain way in order for the algorithm to work, but what this lesson hopefully does is show people a quick and surface level overview and let them dig deeper into it if they want to. Personally I use this a lot (along with other players like Wes) and it’s also a good way to make people think about things differently. Just because it’s a ii-V-I doesn’t mean you have to play that. Also just to be clear, people still should work on “making the changes” but this is just another tool, as you said.
@jamessidney2851
@jamessidney2851 17 күн бұрын
Yeah man. I was actually editing my original comment while you were replying, ironically. Sorry to be on the attack. I toned that down. It just bugs me when the Pat Martino minor thing is presented as a single solution to the problem of jazz. It actually hung me up for a little bit personally at one point and not until I got through about half of linear expressions did I realize what was going on. Anyway, your lessons are good. No disrespect. thanks!
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 17 күн бұрын
@@jamessidney2851 no hard feelings on my end! And I agree, this is not a one answer fits all. Just wanted to do my take on it as it’s a very requested topic. Hope you have a good one!
@petedavid5127
@petedavid5127 17 күн бұрын
When you play a minor scale a half step above the V7, which minor scale pitch collection are you playing?
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 17 күн бұрын
*technically* you are suppose to use melodic minor. So G7alt=Ab melodic minor. However, Pat (along with other such as Wes) will often play just Ab Dorian ideas and get a weird major7 over the dominant. It doesn’t sound bad if you play a good phrase! I wouldn’t land on it though. Or sometimes they will play melodic minor. It honestly just depends on the line and the fingering
@finetuning417
@finetuning417 17 күн бұрын
How does this concept work over a C6 chord?
@NathanBortonMusic
@NathanBortonMusic 17 күн бұрын
It would work the same as if you were playing over a major7 chord. So C6 would equal A-7. Try playing those licks I showed in the video on A-7 and then play it over a C6 chord! Gives you some more options. You could also include the arpeggio of A-7 as well as the Cmaj7 arpeggio along with the minor licks!