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@FoxWhisperer
@FoxWhisperer 6 күн бұрын
Excellent video
@danpoole7933
@danpoole7933 9 күн бұрын
Big project, huge. Good luck.
@ozgarage956
@ozgarage956 Ай бұрын
Love it mate, We gotta keep these legendry Aussie vehicles alive to show our kids and grand kids that Australia was once a proud manufacturing juggernaut. Love your work. New subscriber ......... from Adelaide too 👍
@stevedriver1476
@stevedriver1476 Ай бұрын
Australias version of the 327 chev
@richardrogers7339
@richardrogers7339 Ай бұрын
Have been greasing the rubber seals for 20 years because out back dust is like water , works it’s way into everything.
@LtFrankDrebbin
@LtFrankDrebbin 2 ай бұрын
That little grey sounds saweet!
@druslocallawncare109
@druslocallawncare109 2 ай бұрын
Mate for someone that doesnt know what he is doing u are smashing it stumbled ya channel yesterday loving this series of the fb build. Cant wait to watch the rest 🤙🤙🤙🤙
@christophercullen1236
@christophercullen1236 2 ай бұрын
Pistons are balanced with ring pack and gudgeon pins you swap the ring pack and gudgeon pin around till you get the best result . Then you adjust the Pistons if you just do the Pistons it can still be out of balance.
@gogogeedus
@gogogeedus 3 ай бұрын
It's called end float but we know what you're on about :)
@BrucePinkerton
@BrucePinkerton 3 ай бұрын
Why would you put centre punch marks in the seal groove? Ive never seen or heard of a seal spinning in the housing.
@darrylg7600
@darrylg7600 3 ай бұрын
As an older tech I have done a million tapered sets in all kinds of vehicle. I also own and have owned many Land Cruisers. I have never seen the inner nut torque at 59 nm. I know the outer is around that, but 45 ft lbs on a tapered bearing seems very high. The only tapered bearings I've seen with that kind of torque are sets the use a shim stack for preload. Do you have a link to the toyota service info that specifies this? Maybe I have been doing it wrong for decades.
@peterlarkin7791
@peterlarkin7791 28 күн бұрын
Other sites show being torqued to 59 nm then spinning the hub forward 10 times then back 10 times, then loosen the nut and re-torque to 6 nm. (Apparently the 59 nm torque and spinning forward and back settles the bearing into their correct location.)
@RRovert01
@RRovert01 4 ай бұрын
No updates. I hope you're ok.
@barrieprice7073
@barrieprice7073 4 ай бұрын
Great vid can ya do one on rear wheel bearings
@michaelpearce6494
@michaelpearce6494 4 ай бұрын
Ps, i drive an original Ek wagon every day! My 18th EK ! Keen to see where your wagon is at. nowadays nowadays
@michaelpearce6494
@michaelpearce6494 4 ай бұрын
Need more updates 😊
@RichardBarnes-cp6fw
@RichardBarnes-cp6fw 4 ай бұрын
Cool as, wish i had seen this before, just done the rears😁
@hsvsenator355
@hsvsenator355 5 ай бұрын
Hey mate, great video! Thank you for the tip on slave gear chamfer facing downward. So glad I watched your video prior to fitting sump pan haha! Best be off outside to remove oil pump and check which way I’ve put gear!! Thanks mate👍
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 5 ай бұрын
No worries mate! It’s al in the Holden workshop manual if you need a future reference
@olafhenke5654
@olafhenke5654 5 ай бұрын
This video is excellent! Very helpful and lots of good info! THank you sr! Keep up the good work!
@asankam
@asankam 7 ай бұрын
Hi mate, So if INOX MX8 is a high-speed wheel bearing grease, that will be the only type of grease you will need for your entire front end? (Axle, CV shaft, CV Joint, upper & lower Steering Knuckle Bearings, Inner & Outer wheel bearings) No need to use Moly grease at all then? Thank you.
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 7 ай бұрын
Howdy, yes as per the product sheet MX8 is good to use on everything
@geoffobrien1300
@geoffobrien1300 8 ай бұрын
Agree with you complete on the Permatex sealant, never had an issue and in fact i wonder if i don't use it enough in place of some RTV applications .. you only need to spill some and try to clean to see how stubborn it is to remove, it can tear rags just trying to wipe it up !
@a.m.smobileautomotive5479
@a.m.smobileautomotive5479 8 ай бұрын
Hey mate great video. What is the part number for this seal, i think I've got them 6cyl mid 60s Mercedes?
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 8 ай бұрын
Hey mate. I literally had my note book open so I checked immediately Mercedes #A0019971241 Soak it for a week before hand and twist the hell out of it to loosen it up when you go to fit it. Add a touch of moly to the seal to help lube it on start up
@a.m.smobileautomotive5479
@a.m.smobileautomotive5479 8 ай бұрын
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 yep, there the 1s I've got. Legend thank you. The ones in the gaskets kits are useless
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 8 ай бұрын
Well mate to be fair, the RMS that comes in the kit is used far and wide. I quizzed the HSD guys a while back about them and they use what’s in the kits and they have no problems with them. I think it really comes down to the detail given when fitting them.
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 8 ай бұрын
Oh and just edited my earlier reply, twist hell out of the RMS to loosen it up. Be brutal with it. Soaking for 24hours is not enough. I just built another motor and had the RMS soaking for a few months. It was so easy to work with. If you are planning to build a motor in the future soak it now. It’s not like it’s going to go bad in the oil bath👍
@johnbrooks9523
@johnbrooks9523 9 ай бұрын
Anyone assembling a Grey in future MUST get some specialised advice. The very same knuckleheads who ruin them will tell you a Grey is no good. The Grey is a great little engine. However, their designers expected trained intelligent tradesman with logical minds would be involved in repairing & maintaining them. It only takes one or two stupid mistakes to ruin a Grey Motor. The hexagonal brass fitting installed inline between the hollow front & rear rocker arm shafts IS A METERING BLOCK. A knucklehead isn't clebber enough to examine it carefully & work this out. I just saw one get installed back to front. Luckily, this one simple mistake probably won't kill the engine overnight, but any series of similar silly mistakes CERTAINLY WILL! This hex block has a bleed hole to dribble oil onto the top of the head in order for that oil to run down & lubricate the cam followers in their bores. THE BLEED HOLE IS SUPPOSED TO BE AIMED DOWNWARDS WHEN INSTALLED CORRECTLY. To complicate matters, it is only needed in a TOTALLY brand new engine. After only a few thousand miles the shafts & the rocker arm bushes are sufficiently worn to allow plenty of oil out to trickle down to the cam followers. IT IS STANDARD PRACTICE TO PROPERLY BLOCK THAT BLEED HOLE ONCE THE ROCKERS HAVE RUN FOR 5000 MILES. Without new shafts & bushes THE BLEED HOLE MUST BE BLOCKED TO PREVENT OIL PRESSURE LOSS at the ROCKERS, MAINS, BIG ENDS & CAM BEARINGS. Later J - Series engines fitted to EJs came standard with a rivet plugging THAT HOLE. Now for the clincher! . . . Anyone half smart would notice that Hex Block has an oil passage right through it & that is why an oil line is connected to it. It carries all the oil to the rockers. A total clod would hopefully realise it has a substantially larger bore in only one end! THAT AINT AN ACCIDENT! Not noticing is! The engine doesn't sit level in the car. It is mounted nose up for several reasons. To overcome gravity sending all the oil to the rear rockers only, Holden provided a larger opening in the front of the METERING BLOCK so sufficient oil could make it's way to the front six rocker arms. So, the bigger bore hole goes to the front & that puts the bleed hole that should be plugged aimed downwards. This is infants school stuff. Grey engines are wonderful little things that work nicely. They propelled Australians for literally billions of miles from November 1948. Well over a million of them were produced & their reliability, performance & economy are legendary. Thousands of them were modified for racing & many are still racing today. Their stellar racing record is astounding. Even Jack Brabham raced Grey Motor powered cars. Sadly, it only takes one intervention from just one knucklehead to damage them & ruin their reputation. Only gifted people should be involved in working on them... Otherwise, tragedy & needless expense soon follow.
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 9 ай бұрын
Cool story mate. So I guess you’re saying I’m the knucklehead?
@johnbrooks9523
@johnbrooks9523 9 ай бұрын
@@sharpetoolingaustralia114 As you discovered, rebuilding a Grey nowadays is time consuming & expensive. The last thing you want is for all your efforts & money wasted because the engine failed. There are countless traps mechanics & engineers fall into when working on Greys. You really have to think really deep to avoid ALL THE TRAPS. They had an unjustified bad reputation when I was a kid because clods ruined them. They usually replaced them with Red Motors or Chevs. This suited me just fine. I bought their ruined engines dirt cheap & saved all the expensive bits in them. Then we built engines out of those bits. The head on your engine is worked. It should be a fairly good head. If you ran an Ivan Tighe (TIGHE CAMS) 140T cam, ditched the Strombergs, set up triple SUs, used a tuned length set of pipes & got your distributor recurved by someone like Eddie Dobbs, that little motor would haul arse. The head is the most expensive item needed & you already have a good head. I've rescued more mangled Grey Motors than you've seen spark plugs. I specialised in Greys for over 30 years. We raced them. A good carburetted Grey is good for 160 HP which is exactly what a factory '71 XU-1 had. We beat plenty of Red Motor powered cars with worked Grey Motors. I bought my first FC in 1978. I still have an FC which held the record for it's class at Lakeside for 7 years. The guy who trailered a car up here from Dandenong & took the record in 1992 was Eddie Dobbs. Last time I looked, Eddie was still kicking. If you want to assemble a Grey in Victoria, you could consult Eddie. Eddie's car was Graham Blanchard's old FE Sports Sedan rebuilt around a Group N rule book. I've worked on Eddie's car when he raced it at Lakeside. That car is still regularly raced on Phillip Island. Eddie had it on the market last year. Your block, bellhousing, dipstick & tube & oil filler cap are all EJ. The EJ block is a stronger block than any other. We made our own main bearing strengtheners for them & you could make some yourself. You've already done all the hard work & you have the best block. The EJ also had larger bore oil galleries in the crank to the big ends. I haven't seen your crank. Numbskulls like REPCO recondititioned thousands & thousands of Greys & them dopes regularly switched cranks, heads & other bits into mismatched blocks. From what I've seen, you have an entire EJ J-Series engine with a hot head that could have come from anywhere. It would be fairly easy to get that engine to go like stink. It's been over a year. Did your engine survive?
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 9 ай бұрын
Geez it seems you know everything! Send me a link to your grey motor builds and I’ll be glad to watch. You must have hundreds of episodes to view with all of that wisdom. Honestly mate good on you for talking the talk but show me how you walk. I like tall stories but that is all you have for me👍
@johnbrooks9523
@johnbrooks9523 9 ай бұрын
@@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Check the comments & replies on your episode 17 moviestar. You make movies. I'm an Early Holden Specialist. You make these facts pretty obvious.
@johnbrooks9523
@johnbrooks9523 9 ай бұрын
@@sharpetoolingaustralia114 With odd rods, butchered pistons, a rooted crank, low oil pressure, junk carburetors & crook ignition timing, I'll just assume she ended up as scrap like a million other mangled Greys.
@pjh601
@pjh601 9 ай бұрын
Very well explained. Top job
@MrBluesfromDBURGH
@MrBluesfromDBURGH 9 ай бұрын
Gday just come across your vids I’m looking at an fb wagon to buy atm so these vids are so helpful don’t know whether daunting or inspiring haha couldn’t of imagined the complexity of creating that Y-frame section must be very satisfying at the end of the day , great work 🙌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@DarrenBeecroft
@DarrenBeecroft 10 ай бұрын
Mate great videos has helped me rebuild my 138 . One question how has the rear end bearing seal (Mercedes Benz) going has it sealed or has it leaked . Thinking about doing the same . 0:03 0:03
@johnbrooks9523
@johnbrooks9523 9 ай бұрын
This guy is obviously not familiar with Greys. Some clod has convinced him to run the cam in. This is idiotic. The Grey runs a forged steel camshaft which is virtually indestructible & it cannot be run in like the cheap cast iron cam in a red motor. He has the vaccuum advance connected to manifold vaccuum. It MUST be connected to venturi vaccuum. He tries to tune it with a timing light. This is utterly impossible. There cannot be any correct ignition timing setting for an engine with altered cam timing, aftermarket exhaust, nonstandard compression ratio (remanufactured head), an increase in cubic capacity AND RUNNING ON AN UNLEADED FUEL the Grey was never designed to run on. The only way to tune it is to road test it. Whilst it cannot yet be driven, the timing has to be set by ear & just backed off 2 or 3 degrees. Running it as it was can only hurt the poor little thing. Watching him fumbling along with his compounded series of endless errors is painful. He wasted all that time & achieved nothing. It's been a year since this item was posted. Hopefully someone who knows what they're doing has intervened & saved this little engine from further harm. I have new old stock rear main seals for Holden Greys. Let me know if you need one.
@DarrenBeecroft
@DarrenBeecroft 10 ай бұрын
Mate great videos has helped me rebuild my 138 . One question how has the rear end bearing seal (Mercedes Benz) going has it sealed or has it leaked . Thinking about doing the same .
@DarrenBeecroft
@DarrenBeecroft 10 ай бұрын
Mate great videos has helped me rebuild my 138 . One question how has the rear end bearing seal (Mercedes Benz) going has it sealed or has it leaked . Thinking about doing the same .
@willchristian2218
@willchristian2218 10 ай бұрын
Love your vid's mate!! What brand rear main seal did you use?
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 8 ай бұрын
Mercedes #A0019971241
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 8 ай бұрын
Mercedes #A0019971241
@DavidCaldwell1
@DavidCaldwell1 4 ай бұрын
@@sharpetoolingaustralia114 interesting. did you find the one they provided in the gasket set (permaseal?) was no good?
@rickfletcher259
@rickfletcher259 10 ай бұрын
Great vidios. Would love to get a pair of those circlip pliers but I can't find them anywhere. Would love to here from you about this Cheers Rick
@trevorthompson6023
@trevorthompson6023 11 ай бұрын
Next Episode?
@ryanzammit1
@ryanzammit1 11 ай бұрын
Can you tell me where you got the oil filter gear from mate
@HeleneSchultz-g4p
@HeleneSchultz-g4p Жыл бұрын
Great video. Hubby and myself are doing this today. 79 series tray back.
@lukewoolley9392
@lukewoolley9392 Жыл бұрын
Hey mate any chance of making some more please
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Жыл бұрын
Check the sharpe tooling website mate
@lukewoolley9392
@lukewoolley9392 Жыл бұрын
@@sharpetoolingaustralia114 they said they were sold out just wondering when you make it more
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Жыл бұрын
@@lukewoolley9392 give me a call 0433134260
@johnmurray6501
@johnmurray6501 Жыл бұрын
Well presented, best I could find, cheers.
@Aadmich1
@Aadmich1 Жыл бұрын
Well done mate, you are a natural educator. Keep up the vids and excellent work camera lady, great footage. 👍🏽👍🏽
@KG84C
@KG84C Жыл бұрын
Grew up with grey motors, dad had an old FJ ute for many years, and one in a stationary saw bench trailer setup. Can't beat that solid lifter sound. Well done from Perth, WA.
@surfing4theloveofit
@surfing4theloveofit Жыл бұрын
Just bought these , will let you know how it goes, they look really good, delivered within days,😊
@surfing4theloveofit
@surfing4theloveofit Жыл бұрын
Hi Drew, will this fit a 2008 78serise troopcarrier rear, the ideal seems great, 😊
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Жыл бұрын
Hey mate. Yes it will fit!
@amirandazadeh
@amirandazadeh Жыл бұрын
This is the best ever detailed video ever made full of great tips thanks for sharing such gold info and video for the community, Do you have same for rear too?
@waynecera4422
@waynecera4422 Жыл бұрын
mate rotate the engine a few degrees & make the TDC mark with a hack saw blade
@waynecera4422
@waynecera4422 Жыл бұрын
Best big end and main bearing lube is Gulf Western chain & bar oil, sticky , tacky, cheap. Engine oil on the pistons of course & spray moly or moly grease on the lifters & lubes. works every time.
@davedave5457
@davedave5457 Жыл бұрын
hey do you still see no issues with running nulon extreme grease for bearings & CV's etc im just trying to simplify things and only carry one type of grease? ive got RCV 300m axles & CVs in my 105 just dobnt know if i should be running moly grease in CV, ive just bought your spindle greaser and would prefer just using nulon extreme for everything in the hub.
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Жыл бұрын
That’s what the grease is designed for. To do everything. Works well!
@davedave5457
@davedave5457 Жыл бұрын
@@sharpetoolingaustralia114 cheers i thought so and i know youve been running your CVs for a number of years in it or L80 equivalent. cheers
@MichaelSheedy-yl1ld
@MichaelSheedy-yl1ld Жыл бұрын
Great work mate , im doin a grey at the moment with the same cam from clive how do you find it cheers
@jamescclarke6919
@jamescclarke6919 Жыл бұрын
Hi did you say you used a Mercedes rope seal?
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 8 ай бұрын
Mercedes #A0019971241
@peterfrench8635
@peterfrench8635 Жыл бұрын
Mount it infront the radiator, just run it backwards.
@allansunderland6944
@allansunderland6944 Жыл бұрын
Love your channel mate and no nonsense, practical approach to the job at hand. I have a FB special, wagon, and have needed to repair, weld floors, replace seals, bushes, all the same stuff you have. Loved the tip about the Mustang fuel tank ! mines OK, but geez they're small, some extra capacity and range would be useful , one day. I've left the entire driveline standard and only engine mod is a radiator recovery tank to keep all the coolant , where it belongs, in the engine !! Good luck with your channel, keep it comin' Thanks for posting and keep up the great work.
@snakeinthegrass7630
@snakeinthegrass7630 Жыл бұрын
Your final preload of 59 Nm is to high.
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Жыл бұрын
True but my bearings are always perfect when I repack them, never come loose and the temps remain low I use a laser temperature gun and have checked them on hot day’s running across the Nullarbor and they are sweet. Set your preload to you own liking mate!
@tassietony1226
@tassietony1226 Жыл бұрын
The tappet clearance is 12 thou exhaust and 8 thou inlet this is for standard cam setting
@kymmoloney3628
@kymmoloney3628 Жыл бұрын
Hi mate great videos The bloke that done your Carburetors dose he still do them or have you got contact info thanks
@outlandyishrig2557
@outlandyishrig2557 Жыл бұрын
Any issue with bearing grease mixing with moly grease in cv and axle connection ? most videos show moly grease packed in knuckle /cavity ? or do use bearing grease only ?
@sharpetoolingaustralia114
@sharpetoolingaustralia114 Жыл бұрын
Gday mate. No I haven’t seen any issues with grease mixing. I’m sure I read a Toyota procedure to pack the spindle bearing and the top and bottom swivel hub bearings with bearing grease so it’s actually mixed grease from factory with the moly. When you do a swivel hub overhaul use INOX MX8 grease which is good for everything. So no contamination issues moving forward if you do that.