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@Quentin217 Күн бұрын

It is winter in Montana, and I am suffering cabin fever in my abode here in Fort Benton. I spend a lot of time on You Tube, and that is where I recently learned of the Quigley Shoot out by Forsyth. Needless to say, I was impressed, and now I am hot to go this coming summer. Being an amateur historian domociled at one of the main seats of Montana history, I take an interest in 19th century tech. Of course, the Sharps rifle has long been a fascination to me. I have on one of my walls a print of a Great Depression era symbolic mural on an interior wall of the state capitol building in Bleeding Kansas. It was painted by a WPA artist and portrays old John Brown waving a Sharps carbine in one extended hand and an open bible in the other and his long beard blowing in the wind. Dead men are at his feet in front of him. Behind him, portraying what would be the future after his death, are soldiers of two armies squaring off against one another at close range. One carries the national flag of the United States. The other carries the Confederate battle flag. Behind them is fire and smoke, a refugee wagon train, and the whirlwind. Yesterday, I ordered a Pedersoli Sportsman and am due to pick it up in about a fortnight or so. Today, I ordered the reloading dies. One of the first things that I noticed in the advertisements and in the videos is that really tall, delicate-looking rear tang sight. It did not look to me that it would take very much of an accident to do it some very serious damage. Another thing that seriously garnered mine attention, especially in this video, is the massive amount of money involved in purchasing the sight itself and the sophisticated and expensive tools that were employed at Montana Vintage Arms to install it and the store of know-how on the part of the installer. Right now I am thinking that, if I really want to get serious enough to spend that much money to have one of those wonders, I shall probably have someone like the creator of this video to install it for me. However, for the time being, I am more prone to want to just use the factory sights and see how well I can do with them. Even with my modern (new in '74) flat-shooting, long range big game hunting rifle with its 6X telescopic sight, I consider 400 yards to be my practical maximum accurate range.

@steveharvey6421 2 күн бұрын

A moderately priced rifle built like a tank. That was the first time and the only time that happened.

@jimquackenbush2568 8 күн бұрын

Ordered these today

@JaySmith-h7p 10 күн бұрын

Blasphemy is self-cursing and offensive. You’re clearly more intelligent and have a greater grasp of the English language to use Almighty God’s Holy Name in vain.

@HarbingerOfDeath10-67 11 күн бұрын

You can definitely see and feel the difference between the special and the magnum. 😂

@totljag1 11 күн бұрын

Great video, thanks for the education

@billfletcher5166 14 күн бұрын

ey Jon , this is Bill from the room above you at the Sundowner Inn , you did good.. Persistence pays off . Congratulations to you. 'See you at Quigley 2025.

@310vals 15 күн бұрын

Do you think this lube will be suitable for a cap and ball revolver

@RecoilTherapyChannel 15 күн бұрын

@@310vals I would increase the amount of oil a little bit like maybe five or 10%. Make lube cookies out of it by pouring it into a flat bottom pan say a quarter inch or 3/8 of an inch deep. Use a cartridge case to punch out cookies from the cake.

@310vals 15 күн бұрын

@RecoilTherapyChannel you're a genius those are great suggestions I will definitely try it thank you for replying also I love your content keep up the awesome work 👏

@josephsaucedo8691 18 күн бұрын

My dad has the 30.06 model he's had it for years and for his birthday 2 years age i got him the 270 so he now has both as a set they look pertty identical 💯🫡👌👍✌️

@jason60chev 19 күн бұрын

I was going to try to make the Quigley, this year....2025......but I don't think that it will happen.....combination of making sure that my sternum has healed properly, from heart bypass surgery and availability of vacation time, if I go back to my job. I've ordered both types of bore wipers....30 Buffalo Arms and 40 of Eric's. Should be plenty. Plus a 3/8 Delrin rod, from Eric. It will actually go into the breech of my Trapdoor rifle. Bruce Dow of Dade City, Fl, is currently working on assembling my Trapdoor Target rifle, with Lee Shaver Soule rear vernier sight and spirit level Marksman Front sight. I have about 50 45-70/500 black powder rounds assembled, with another 150 waiting on bullets. Don't know how far I'll get, in the game, but it will be fun. Can the felts be washed and used again? I don't see why not.

@MarkJones-sk6vk 19 күн бұрын

You going to post vids on the raptor channel?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 19 күн бұрын

@@MarkJones-sk6vk I haven’t done anything with that in a long time. All spending right now is rifle focused. Not sure if I’ll get bank to that or not

@TimRickman-t2c 19 күн бұрын

I HAVE A 1972 BRASS HANDLE 44 MAG

@CaffeineThrottle 26 күн бұрын

Good content.I subscribed. Dan Wesson built a rock solid 44 magnum.I have the 8" vent lite, with a 6" and 4" vent heavy.Dad bought it for me when I was 14, now 59 y.o.and still dead nuts on 200 yard silhouette range. Also have a Smith 629 DX, and "4 Anaconda all good shooters. I had my 480 Ruger SR cut down and recrowned to 5". Holographic dot scope. It is a really nice mountain gun.👍

@juancarlosbelletti6335 Ай бұрын

Es lamentable pero no entiendo Nada.

@lanahum Ай бұрын

Nice video. Not a fan of recessed cylinders.

@johndutton5135 Ай бұрын

DUAL WIELDING 44 mags! Made my day. Just acquired a 5 1/2” SBH. Learning to reload. So much fun.

@peterkolovos3079 Ай бұрын

Those who don't understand or cant comprehend what you're doing are not shooters. They are part of the Orange Hoard or Chairborn Rangers who shoot a few rounds a year at a pie plate and call it a day. I have NO use for those types of gun people.

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

Have a sizing question for ya

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

OK....

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

@RecoilTherapyChannel I really wanted to ask you about A bullet mold Steve Brooks 540 grn Creadmore or money? Something for a 45-70 and 45-90 Shiloh

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

Didn't get my message I guess

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@ Steve makes great molds. Seems like a lot of the top guys are running money bullets. If you have 18” twist barrels (you would unless you ordered different), something running about 1.43” long about 540 grains would be perfect. Spec out 16-1, 14-1, or 96-2-2 alloy and you’re all set.

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel how about 20-1 on lead?

@dogbone1358 Ай бұрын

Have you ever tried duplex loads? And if so, what’s the formula you used? Thanks!

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@dogbone1358 I use only straight black powder. Of all of the matches I shoot only the Quiggly allows smokeless powder. The other matches don’t allow smokeless in any form. I think that people used to duplex their loads 20 and 30 years ago before the recipe for black powder really got nailed down. Nowadays, I don’t think it would be worth trying.

@dogbone1358 Ай бұрын

@ The two advantages for using duplex loads include higher velocities (which could relate to increased accuracy) and cleaner barrels as the smokeless powder burns up the black powder residue. Meaning you won’t have to clean nearly as often. The disadvantage is increased recoil. For those matches that allow smokeless duplex loads they could represent an advantage.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@ not trying to be a Debbie downer but… Higher velocity with a 600 grain bullet is not necessarily a good thing. Further, higher velocity does not equal increased accuracy. Smokeless powder does not burn as consistently as black powder does. In our competition loads, we tune a load until we have an extreme spread of around 6 ft./s for a 15 shot group with a standard deviation of 1 ft./s or less. That level of consistency is not possible with smokeless powder. Last, there are no matches that allow duplex loads at all anymore. At least not in the western United States. There might be something on the East Coast, but I’m not aware of it. No one posts anything about duplexing for silhouette or target or anything. I started off the same place as you. I went to the Quigley with smokeless loads. My first year, I was convinced I was going to do well because my load was running 1450 ft./s and I was sure that it would beat the wind. When I left there after a week of shooting with those guys, I knew that smokeless was a hopeless cause. I immediately converted to black powder and honestly, I have not loaded a single round of smokeless powder ammunition in four years now. I really need to actually load some ammo for some of my pistols and stuff, I just don’t feel like doing it.

@dogbone1358 Ай бұрын

@ Thanks for the history lesson and sharing your experiences. Makes a lot of sense. I’ve been loading BP for two years in 45-70 for my Sharps, Rolling Block and High Wall. The duplex was enticing mostly from a cleaning aspect.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@dogbone1358 duplex loads do shoot cleaner that’s true. If you’re thinking to try match shooting, there’s time to run wipers or patches between each shot and you’d want to do that anyway to keep a consistent bore condition. We tried an experiment last year at the Quigley early in the week. We chronographed loads and changed up the fouling control methods between wiping, blow tubing, and no fouling control. It played havoc with the velocity readings. Changing up your routine even a little can cause a velocity drop up to 30 fps, which is enough to have you missing low beyond 300-400 yards or so. Best thing to do is have a set routine and do it exactly the same every shot.

@onebadapple83 Ай бұрын

Is the veggie wad necessary and why?

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@onebadapple83 yes. You have to mount the veggie water in there before you run the charge case through the compression die. Lots of people have done testing that determined that a .060 inch veggie wad is the minimum needed to prevent gas cutting of the base of the bullet.Subsequent testing also showed that an LDPE wad on top of the veggie wad resulted in increased accuracy.

@onebadapple83 Ай бұрын

@ Ok Thanks! One more question: The bullets I ordered have a copper….let’s say bottom. Vendor called it a “gas check”. Thoughts?

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@ if you’re just learning to load black powder, gas checks are fine. They will cut down on any possible leading. However, commercially available bullets are probably not sized correctly for your bore, and the letter is likely to be far too hard. Still, for plinking ammo and fun shooting they should be fine. All of my 44 caliber pistol ammo runs gas checks although that’s what smokeless powder. Gas jacks are a better fit for smokeless.

@srkmarine1 Ай бұрын

How does seating depth effect the windage?

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@srkmarine1 it should affect elevation more than windage. The total vertical spread generally reflects the quality of the load and the left or right spread is usually trigger and breathing control.

@scb1851 Ай бұрын

Call me crazy! But there is not one Playboy centerfold model out there who looks as good as these beauties!

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@scb1851 Dorothy Stratton back in the day..?

@scb1851 Ай бұрын

@ close…but no cigar.

@kingfatiusiii4744 Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this, man! I’ve been hand loading .45-70 for my trapdoor for a little while now, but can never seem to get the results you get on the range. What grain is that bullet you’re using? It seems massive lol. And in terms of the powder compression, is that possible to do with a trapdoor or would that increased pressure pose a risk to the gun? Thanks so much!

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@kingfatiusiii4744 my current load in 45-90 runs a 600 gr bullet. Not really suitable for a trapdoor but it wouldn’t necessarily hurt it. Black powder loading is not like smokeless. Your BP load is safe as long as the case is full up with no air gaps. You can compress a powder charge literally until the case bulges out and it will stay around 19K lbs pressure. If you have a loose charge of BP with airspace in there is when you can blow up the rifle. For your TD, you’ll likely need to slug the barrel. Most TD’s seem to run large on the barrel dimensions. It wouldn’t be surprising if you needed a bullet sized at .460” or even up to .462”. Slugging the barrel only way to find out. With a 16-1 alloy and properly sized (405 - 500 grain) bullet, you should see good accuracy out to at least 500 yards and probably farther.

@PileofBrass Ай бұрын

I have the Fusion Reaction 10mm and love it.

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

Hey can I get some measurements on some of your other shooting sticks Purdy please

@srkmarine1 Ай бұрын

I'm getting ready to order some of those from Eric. Just wondering if those drilling wipers are still working okay for you? Thanks!

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@srkmarine1 I have used both types of wipers and right now, I’ve gone back to just using a Montana Extreme jag on one of Eric’s Delrin rods and running patches. Two wets followed by a dry patch and the a chamber mop to make sure the chamber is dry. The wipers work fine, but I don’t like changing them out every night. The wool wipers you have to run through the washer so that’s even worse. There’s no rush with target shooting the way there is with silhouette, so I’ll probably be just running patches from here on.

@srkmarine1 Ай бұрын

@RecoilTherapyChannel Awesome, thanks for the info, and thanks for putting out some great BPCR content! I hope to make it to the Quigley someday.

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

Hey can you give me some specs on oakangon sticks

@jimjones9740 Ай бұрын

The whidden seating die 45/70 what do I order???? Thanks

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@jimjones9740 Buffalo Arms carries the Vickerman die which is very similar. Whidden does get ordered from Whidden Gunworks in Georgia.

@jimmyvalhalla1939 Ай бұрын

Proper black powder cartridge lube. 50% Beeswax 40% Lamb Tallow 5% Lanolin 5% Whale oil

@Boot2Ass24 Ай бұрын

Junk firearms!!!

@peterkolovos3079 2 ай бұрын

Buffalo Fatties of the Prairie.

@peterkolovos3079 2 ай бұрын

Some of these guys have never missed a meal or dessert.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

@@peterkolovos3079 yeah Meal Team 6 is well represented

@peterkolovos3079 2 ай бұрын

Most people never shoot enough ammo is improve. When I competed, I shot 6,000+ rounds of pistol ammo a season. Most can't even fathom firing 1,000 rounds in a lifetime. I bought components before they went crazy. I've stockpiled 40,000 primers, 50 pounds of powder, 1,000's of bullets and lead to cast others. Keep up the great work.

@peterkolovos3079 2 ай бұрын

I cant believe after one year you only have 7 comments and 65 likes. This was very technical and concise work as load testing should be. I do the same type of data harvesting, but I guess this is way above the mindset and attention span of the Orange Hoard Excellent work sir!.

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 ай бұрын

@@peterkolovos3079 I thought it would get more traction too, someone out there will find it useful though.

@bruced1429 2 ай бұрын

Man there was a lot of beef going by at a buffalo shoot. Love those sticks.

@dogbone1358 2 ай бұрын

What are the size of the steel targets at each distance at the Quigley?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 ай бұрын

@@dogbone1358 all the rules, target sizes, winners, lists, and everything else can be found right here… www.quigleymatch.com

@chriswhitehead5729 2 ай бұрын

I have one in 3006 that I've had, for 20 years it was made in 1950. I have only shot it with open sites until recently. I put a scope on it and at 200 yards I have poor accuracy. I have cleaned the barrel. I can hit a pie pan, but it is all over the place. Is there anything other getting a gunsmith to look at itThat I could do?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 ай бұрын

@@chriswhitehead5729 double check that the scope mounts are secure and absolutely parallel with each other. If it’s not a scope mounting problem, then you might look into having a gunsmith do a bedding job on the stock. I’m assuming the rifle shot OK with iron sights?

@doctorbill6301 2 ай бұрын

WHAT is the name of the Hand De-Capper you are using ? I want to buy one !

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 ай бұрын

@@doctorbill6301 here you go…there are other calibers available as well. www.buffaloarms.com/slm-decapping-tool-for-45-70-slm4570.html

@coatsbrothersfirearms8406 2 ай бұрын

No need for GC in any 44 revolver loads. Nice handguns!

@wlowden65 2 ай бұрын

I cleaned a bunch of brass that was heavily coroded by placing the brass in hot vinegar for a few minutes. this was how we cleaned our uniform brass back in my military days. The vinegar removed alot of the corrosion.

@jimmyvalhalla1939 2 ай бұрын

A little distilled white vinegar with your simple green will drop the pH into the neutral area your looking for Too acidic, add baking soda Too caustic, add vinegar

@jimmyvalhalla1939 2 ай бұрын

How did the cow-boy driving cattle clean his brass before reloading it? My guess is he really didn't.

@Master...deBater 15 күн бұрын

Piss (ammonia) and water would neutralize the BP fouling...rinse, dry and reload...happy trails!!! 😁

@GaryRaye 2 ай бұрын

If you don't mind gas check Keith , Underwood ammo makes very good ammo. Their ammo is very clean, accurate and powerful, I have been buying their ammo for years and the price is unbeatable for the quality.

@dogbone1358 2 ай бұрын

What’s the advantage to using a compression die as opposed to using the seating die as one operation? Also doesn’t a standard seating die take the bell out of the case eliminating the sizing die? And isn’t it true that with single shots rifles, no crimp is needed? Thanks for your response!

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 ай бұрын

@@dogbone1358 the compression die is for compressing the black powder column. This can sometimes take quite a bit of force and will deform lead bullets. If you try to do it all in one step such as compressing the powder with the bullet. Regular seating dye without a crimp will not remove the bill from the case.we like to use the sizing dye to take the belling out of the case mouth as opposed to a crimp dye due to it just being a gentler operation. We’re not really looking to put any crimp on the case at all.

@dogbone1358 2 ай бұрын

@ Thank you!

@dogbone1358 2 ай бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel Shot and loaded 15 fire formed loads for my 1874 Sharps in 45-70. Followed your procedure using wads and compressing the powder with a compression die. Then seated the bullet with a seating die. Used a neck sizing die to add some tension to the neck of the case. Notice the bullet is able to spin in the case with very slight up and down movement as well. Assuming this is not an issue with single shot rifles. Ordered straight handled cams from Eric for the Sharps and High Wall.

@marktcso 2 ай бұрын

What bullet mold are you using?

@marktcso 2 ай бұрын

Also, do you get your lead from Rotometals? Can you tell me what lead mixture you use? Thanks!

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 ай бұрын

@@marktcso my alloy is 96-2-2. You can make it by mixing pure lead with Lyman #2 in about a 55-45 ratio. A lead alloy calculator like the one on the Cast Boolit forum will give the exact amount. My bullet I’m using is this one from Buffalo Arms… www.buffaloarms.com/459-600-grn-ellipt-micro-g-g-jim459600e1.html

@marktcso 2 ай бұрын

Thank you sir!

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