Without watching the video, here’s the gist of it.Taekwondo (1957) comes fromTang Soo Do (1944) which is a Koreanized version of Shotokan karate. The first and second generation (post WWII) Korean karateka coming from that Tang Soo Do/Shotokan background had learned the Japanese/Okinawan kata and that influenced the creation of the early taekwondo forms.If you look at several of the ITF forms many have movements that resemble the Tang Soo Do/Shotokan kata. For example, the first half of your “Chonji” form is the same as the first half of Giecho hyung il bu/Taikyoku shodan. Do San has a movement twice that resembles one found in the Jion form of TSD and Shotokan. The opening two combinations of “Won Hyu” is almost identical to the beginning of Pyong-an Yi Dan/Heian Nidan. And so on and so on.

Taekwondo came from shotokan karate. While the sport rules favor kicking, taekwondo is an all around fighting system.

If taekwon do is so effective, why isn't it used in professional fighting?

These hand techniques are later adopted from other martial arts. Most stand up styles today are more Muay thai than their traditional old footage.

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Taekwondo has a background in Northern Chinese Kung Fu. The handwork resembles this to me. Also Tai Chi chuan (Taegeuk) and Bagua (Palgwe) philosophy are old influences. These Chinese influences are more noticeable in the older Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do. The kicking I think is influenced by Taekyyon and Karate, but seems to have taken the forefront in modern Taekwondo. I wonder if the sport rules are also a reason for more kicking? When I look at Taekyyon though, kicks are very prevalent. So it's almost as if Taekwondo is coming full circle from the ancient past, in a way?

Thank you Gentlemen, another excellent topic. To me the ITF curriculum including the Tul were made by General Choi to have many elements. For example: Straight forward instruction such as understanding left and right movements and turning to the open side in the Saju Jirigi exercise. Joong Gun introduces stance changes by moving the front foot. Juche and its athleticism. Moon Moo’s beauty. So San’s intricacy. Plus power, balance, breath control, rhythm etc., etc.! Truly an incredible legacy.

Thank you gentlemen, another excellent video. I think a 360 is when you complete a full rotation and kick with the originally rear foot, disregarding any intermediate step. This both more realistic and allows anyone to perform a 360. A cheat to me implies some illegality, like kicking without looking. My original instructor loved what he called a “horse kick”, spinning backwards off the front foot and firing the rear leg as soon as possible without looking. Very fast but of course illegal (cheating) in competition.

I thought there would be more of a demonstration and not just dialog.

The direct translation for either is: Mid-air kick, 뛰어돌며 차기 (Ddwi'eo-Dolmyeo Chagi) is closer to "Jumping-spinning kick." Flying Back Kick, 뛰며 뒷차기 (Ddwimyeo Dwit Chagi) is the same "Jumping back kick."

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Very interesting perspectives! I recently discovered your channel and subscribed immediately after listening to part of one episode -- now I'm about 4 episodes in! Thank you for your time and effort making these. Speaking from a Kukkiwon Taekwondo perspective, we refer to that technique as 손날 거들어 막기 Sonnal Geodeureo Makgi which is often translated to "Double Knife Hand Block", but I call Geodeureo class techniques as "Assisted", so Assisted Knife Hand Block and what not. With regards to the bunhae of this technique I approach it not as a guarding posture or as a 쳐 막기 Chyeo Makgi / Striking Block but rather as a clinch position defensive framing posture. The lead hand is in single collar tie position on the near side (or maybe with the outer forearm or hand blade or palm pushing against the face) and the assisting arm is performing an overhook on the aggressor's near side arm. I'm looking forward to listening to and learning from more of your thoughts and experiences!

Well Gen. Choi said low twisting kick had to be done holding the kick momentarily.

Thank you. Twisting kick is one of TaekwonDo more esoteric techniques but you made it interesting.

For move #28, I remember GM Nicholls telling us at the IIC in Denver back in 2019 that the hand under the arm pit was a hold over from the early days when some moves were more Karate like and General Choi left this one like that.

Awesome. I have to think about that, it would be fun to go! Great video, thanks!

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Finally someone who knows about 사주뚫기. In my personal experience practicing this Fundamental Exercise (기본연습/기본련습) I can say that it helped me a lot to do 화랑틀 better. Nice Podcast.

Thank you Gentlemen, as always an interesting video. Can I suggest an alternative reason for the use of a punch while doing a side piercing kick? An effective punch while kicking requires maintaining an upright, properly aligned upper body. Being fairly inflexible I am inclined to tilt the body to assist raising the kicking leg. When doing drills I even punch when doing back kick to stop bad posture.

Hi! Just wanted to ask something, I'm a 2nd degree black belt and I'm struggling with slow movements (like the Juche slow spinning kick), they end up looking very janky and not fluid at all. could you give some tips on how to improve that? I would greatly appreciate it!

Its more like a cresent punch as a angle punch is middle section and this one is high section.

Why not demonstrate what you mean instead of just chatting, spoken language requires that we all understand the terms being used and not all ITF organisations, let alone individuals, use the same terminology. It must be even harder for those who have English as a second or third language. A picture (video) is worth a thousand words.

We do circular motion in Yon Gae its because our movement has a greater gap and distance so making the technique straight wont match the timing as if we do it in a circular motion the whole body will be moving and stoping at the same time and not the hands stopping at a certain point due to less trayectory if we do it straight.

Low Knife hand guarding block both hands are parallel facing down the middle section is the same way just from the lower position move them up and they should be diagonally. Arms and hands horizontally dont cover as much space like diagonal.

Good discussion. If we look at the state of affairs in the United States, we can say with certainty that ITF Taekwon-do is mostly fractured. Competition is good and it makes everyone lift their level. But that requires cross pollination. Everyone should be open to learning at all times, and that includes from other groups. Particularly when those groups are from the same tree roots. Operating out of fear, usually does not end in larger more cohesive groups. The question of loyalty should not come from a place of fear. You can be loyal to your instructor and support other ITF organizations.

Great podcast as always

Why are you considering the punch in isolation from the simultaneous elbow strike to the rear? If I have an attacker from the rear movement 1 counters the rear bear hug, I then shift back to the right and execute a rear elbow strike and punch to the rear. The key to this though is the power and depth of the elbow strike. This should be fast and shallow and targeted at the attacker’s solaplexis. This will cause them to bend forward bringing their face into contact with the punch going in the opposite direction.

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Interesting discussion. Enjoyed it. Thanks guys. Willow Leaf Palms, Spear hands, Knife hands, Snake hands, etc. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. 8P

I'm glad you mentioned the parallel hands for the Knife-hand guarding block sir, I remember when Grandmaster Wheatley was here last November I noticed he kept his arms parallel to each other and I also remembered seeing General Choi's picture of him doing the technique also having the arms parallel. It does feel more natural, but I have to retrain it as I'm used to having the secondary hand close to the chest angled inward slightly.

Yul-Gok is a leap. Toi-Gye is a jump. Choong-Moo is a flying. Juche #6 is a Hopping motion A very good subject.

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It’s a blast getting them to fly! And it’s surprisingly easy.

Always interesting, Sir.

I think it would be up to the technical committee as far as the pattern is concerned, but could or should individual tournament committees provide guidance as pertains to acceptability?

I love your vlog. I have been watching them all and sharing it with the instructors at our club.

Why not? ITF or WTF, Taekwondo is essentially Karate if not for the appeal to Korean nationalism.

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Enjoy listening to your conversations, wish all the ITF's could come together, at least for competitions from time to time. I don't see any reason for that not to happen. Then if a competition went well, who knows what else is possible. Much respect, from Ireland.

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Enjoying your videos. I always enjoy seeing Suska perform patterns. Greetings from Ireland.

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Why is it a measurement? Baji Quan uses a similar hand movement with the palm in their horse stance punch. Except that movement is an inward deflection (like a deflection in boxing) while stepping forward. That deflection is followed by a backhand to the face. Youd normally grab hold of the person with your other hand so that they couldn't get away...even though that grab with the other hand is not done explicitly in their forms or basics. That is almost exactly the same movement that is dome with the side fist in sitting stance punch. Another thing is that a sitting stance would not be done directly facing in self defense. It would be done at an angle. This is just like slipping and deflecting a punch in a crouched position. Then, hitting or pushing with a side fist or palm, followed by a punch to the body. Yiu can also use your knees to knock into the other guy as you hit. I don't see that measuring has any useful applications in self defense.

Can't the Checking Block application be the same as the application of Butterfly Hands in long fist? For example, a checking block with the left hand in front....applied to a straight punch or a push.... could just be a deflection of that straight attack with the left hand.... followed by a pull and control of the attacking arm with the right hand...leaving the left hand now ready to strike?

Possible kata guruma/fireman's carry throw with two successive blocks. It could be an arc hand to the eyes or throat couple with a belt grab. In some of the karate styles, the hands aren't parallel when performing it, but the lower hand is out farther than the top. This would create a better angle for staff or maybe a cane block😊! If the second one is performed without hesitation, it could be a takeaway along with an uppercut type strike without the webs taking a lot of force. Unfortunately, the original forms were designed to hide the applications while allowing the practice of the basic movements. I remember me practicing sparring with a group of friends, and one stated that fighting should look like forms. We all looked at him like he was delusional. It's not even likely that the most ancient originators of the forms fought that way. Forget boxing and grappling, You can't even defend against a wild swing fighting like a form. I feel like the forms are more for developing attributes like balance, coordination, kinesthetic awareness, and even the concept of kinesthetic chain for power. I think it's also serving the purpose of connecting us with the masters of old. In a society where guns and knives are the order of the day, the idea of martial arts for self-defense is increasingly impractical and maybe a waste of time for self defense alone, but nothing is like the feeling of well-being after a martial arts workout, including running.