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@mahadevans1090 12 сағат бұрын
Can you shoot live Milkyway video with A74 ?
@DesmondButler 6 сағат бұрын
It would be possible to capture some stars, but it would be way too dark and way too noisy to meaningfully make out the details of the dust clouds and nebulae. In that respect, the a7S really does stand alone.
@oliversteiner6389 Күн бұрын
Interesting comparison, thank you! I'd be curious to see how the A6600 or A6700 would perform in this test with a 16mm-ish lens @ f/1.8 (same ISO, same exposure)..
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
I've never owned a wide angle lens with an aperture under f2.0, but it's on my wish list. I am currently working on getting my hands on the a6700 to do some comparisons. Thanks for the suggestions!
@mike_abramyan Күн бұрын
That's... Not what star eater is. Star eater only kicks in if you have pinpoint stars. The only camera here that doesn't have star eater anymore is the a7rV, and that's due to its newer firmware. The same can be observed in any camera released after it.
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
Read the provided definition on screen
@mrDoctorWho0 Күн бұрын
Would be interesting to see the old A7III compared with others, since it has lower megapixel count than A7IV and according to DxOmark it performs better
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
This is a comparison a lot of viewers seem interested in. Perhaps a full head to head between the two models would be in order if I ever get my hands on the a7 III. Thanks for your input.
@magji2000 2 күн бұрын
Major problem and flaw with this video. It's not using native ISOs to compare performance, this kinda of voids all comparisons in a sense. Each came will preform differently and different ISOs. Some will preform better at 3200iso while another camera might beat it at say 6000ISO. It's been long known that each model of camera has their best rated ISO and it's different than other models. A lot of the cameras now have 2 high preforming ISOs sometimes referred to as BASE ISOs. Also the base ISOs are also in relation to picture profiles and the ISOs are different in Video vs Photo even in the same cameras. To do a realistic comparisons you have to look up all the high preforming ISOs for each model of camera and compare them based on that. Otherwise it's best to take what this video shows are a very small grain of salt.
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
You have just made perfectly clear to every other viewer that you did not watch the video, nor do you seem to comprehend the specific use case here. "Base" ISO, more ubiquitously referred to as native ISO, is a concept explained in depth in this video (something you would know had you actually watched the video). Furthermore, to have set each individual camera to their respective second native ISO values, which I specifically outlined, would in no way assist potential buyers. Conversely, by showing the performance of these cameras at multiple ISO values well above those native levels, a photographer interested in low light landscape image capture will come to understand the differences between these sensors, helping them to choose the right camera for their purposes. Astrophotographers understand this intrinsically. Those interested in a comparison of low light video capture between these models can watch my previous video, which demonstrates the advantage of the second native ISO for dealing with low light video noise: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpWzcpl3grWhotUsi=jishhtEdOKQTkaPO
@0palev 2 күн бұрын
Thank you Very much, I finally find how looks the menu in cameras with interval shooting 🌠
@DesmondButler 2 күн бұрын
Glad I could help!
@0palev Күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler one more question, what do you think about lens samyang 14mm 2,8 for night shots?
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
@@0palev Great question! That is the exact lens I used in my five camera comparison last summer (mine is branded "Rokinon", but they are the exact same fabricator). For the price, I don't think you can beat it for full frame lenses. It doesn't even stretch the stars at the edges as badly as you might expect from an inexpensive lens. Though, you will have to be patient with manually focusing every shot. If you want to see some sample images, you can check out that video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoDZg6Gch96eras
@goodgremlinmedia2757 3 күн бұрын
Why do people always exclude Panasonic
@DesmondButler 3 күн бұрын
Scarcity probably. I'd really like to compare with a Panasonic model. Which one do you think would fair the best?
@goodgremlinmedia2757 3 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler An S series camera.
@TheAceTroubleshooter 4 күн бұрын
Did you notice the meteor your captured in the R6 shot? Its pretty sweet ^_^ {upper part of pic}
@DesmondButler 3 күн бұрын
Good eye. It's somewhat common to catch shooting stars in Milky Way landscape photos because they're so much wider, so that is pretty cool that the R6 spotted a tiny one.
@AndrewSacoman 4 күн бұрын
Excellent video, very clear and concise analysis. You got a new subscriber right here from this one!
@DesmondButler 4 күн бұрын
Thank you, good sir.
@gabeschiff-verre4260 4 күн бұрын
On my A7RV I have been getting extremely noisy images at 20”, f2.8, ISO 3200 when set to medium RAW. Almost unusable. Large RAW is better but still a lot of blue pixels. Is this normal? Never had this in my a7iv
@DesmondButler 4 күн бұрын
The a7 IV will definitely produce noticeably less noise on low light high ISO exposures than the a7R V, but the blue pixels does sound odd. I've had that camera produce some magenta vignetting when the scene is extremely dark, but that's true of most cameras. You might want to reach out to other Sony shooters to see if anyone else has had the issue.
@Badassblacksmith 5 күн бұрын
Please don’t waste any money on these cameras for astro. Dedicated Astro cameras destroy dslr’s and mirrorless for half of the cost. ASI533MC PRO $699
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
Most of my viewers are more interested in a multipurpose camera that can capture night shots proficiently. You're absolutely right if we were only talking about deep sky imaging, but it would be pretty silly to shoot Milky Way landscapes with a ZWO camera.
@calebwhite681 7 күн бұрын
Very interesting comparison. I find myself to have moved away from Sony for astro. I started with a6300 ->A7 ->A7S and then bought a USED Canon 6D....I NEVER looked back.I'm working on a video on my channel comparing Canon EOS R, 6D, 7R II, 7S, 6300, Nikon Z6 all in a bortle 2 sky as apples to apples as I could get. BUT I didn't have my A7 IV when i went out in the field to compare them so I may go back and try to get some shots with it to be true to Sony's CURRENT offerings. I think it will add a lot to this type of discussion. I just prefer how Canon renders milky way images. I have a A7 IV now, and from my limited testing with it am just unimpressed with it for astrophotography. There's way less color and natural look to the shots than my 6D. I DO use a star tracker, because then you are getting your signal above the noise floor, and the 'low light performance' no longer matters as much as the way the images look. The 'budget' option for people really should be the canon 6D (not Mark II that's worse) IF they are wanting a dedicated astro body. if you want the camera for other things, as most do, then I would buy the A6500 as the budget option or a Canon EOS R The exception here, is that I still use my original A7S for TIMELAPSE of the milky way, as the signal to noise ratio is just so good, you can get great timelapses with short exposure frames. I actually sent it to be full spectrum modified because it is SO GOOD for filming milkyway travels at night.
@DesmondButler 7 күн бұрын
It sounds like you and I have come to a lot of the same conclusions. I hear you on color science, people do have legitimate reason to prefer Canon, but I would still call this a personal preference rather than an objective standard, and I imagine you'd agree with that. With only one exception, the comparison videos I've done are all for untracked, uncomposited, authentic single exposure Milky Way images, and for that reason my videos have primarily focused on noise. Perhaps I should do a test using a tripod tracker with the main cameras I've featured. At that point, we would be comparing other aspects than noise, as you rightly pointed out. My main comparison video from last summer featured the a7R V and the EOS 6D, and I have to tell you that while the 6D is really good, the Sony appeared to produce far less noise. Check it out sometime if you're at all curious: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoDZg6Gch96eras Thanks for the comment! It's always cool to hear experience from photographers who are trying similar things to what I do here.
@alexmirza5210 8 күн бұрын
A comparison with the nikon Z range would be highly revealing. Their S lenses are good enough.
@DesmondButler 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. Nikon has been on the to-do list for too long.
@derekches 9 күн бұрын
what do you think of purchasing the ZV-E1 for these type of night lapse shots (video and photo lapse).... i like the compact form factor and it comes with the same sensor if im not mistaken.
@DesmondButler 8 күн бұрын
Yes, I actually mentioned in my latest video that the ZV-E1 is the same sensor. There are some drawbacks, but for everything I did in this video, the differences would not matter. The ZV-E1 should perform exactly the same for low light video and photos as the a7S III at normal recording settings. I think there are a lot of good reasons for amateur photographers to go with the more stripped down model, and price is definitely one of them. Thanks for asking this question!
@derekches 8 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler thanks for the incite... sony really makes it hard to choose since they have such a wide range of sensor/body combinations. I will head over to watch that video!
@kristjan-wn3gc 9 күн бұрын
Who gona shoot milkyway photos iso 25000, what is the point? 😅 ISO is always opposite factor of dynamic range in astrophotography. Keep it mind. ;)
@DesmondButler 8 күн бұрын
Those who listened to the video heard it clearly stated that that ISO value would be ridiculous to use and that those test images are strictly for demonstrating the differences between sensors. The point is to prove beyond any argument which cameras perform best against low light noise. This was already accomplished at the lower ISO value, but some viewers are difficult to persuade.
@Meg_A_Byte 9 күн бұрын
Amazing comparison video! I'm really happy that you included the A6500 since it shows how capable even APSC camera can be in this challenging scenario.
@DesmondButler 8 күн бұрын
Thanks! I agree, it is important for amateur photographers to understand that they can still capture something they can be proud of on a budget. Furthermore, you can see from some of my earlier comparison videos that Sony APS-C cameras really stand out for low light performance.
@Meg_A_Byte 8 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler I don't have the A6500, but the A6000 and I struggle to get clean photos (even after denoising) of the northern lights, but your videos give me hope that the newer models are indeed good enough and I won't have to upgrade to A7. I don't even have a good lens for night sky photography, but maybe I'll get the Samyang/Rokinon 12mm f2 soon and step up my game.
@DesmondButler 8 күн бұрын
@@Meg_A_Byte I have absolutely loved that APS-C lens. Well worth the price, my friend. Hope you get to capture some great shots soon!
@Meg_A_Byte 8 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler Thank you! I hope that you're doing well and getting some good light!
@oliversteiner6389 Күн бұрын
@@Meg_A_Byte Could be worthwhile to have a closer look at the Sony 11mm f/1.8, Meike 10mm f/2, or Viltrox 13mm f/1.4 instead - each being a better lens than the Samyang/Rokinon.. Also, seems like the A6400/6600 are even a little bit better in low light than the A6500. But all arae definitely way ahead of the A6000..
@wendywitzig119 10 күн бұрын
Awesome, I'm going to try it soon!
@DesmondButler 10 күн бұрын
Awesome! Let me know how it goes!
@SimeonKolev 10 күн бұрын
And the winner is - A7rIII :D those newer sensors are much worse for astro. They have much more noise than the older A7III and A7rIII.
@vismaygurnule 10 күн бұрын
sony zv-e10
@yaj855 12 күн бұрын
Qualité vidéo le Sony a7s3 très bonne que qualité le Sony a7r5 mais en photos le Sony a7r5 bien 😊
@alexi3012 13 күн бұрын
good work!
@pavelk7078 14 күн бұрын
If you’re not a professional, A6500 is the winner. Great low light performance, just enough to post in instagram or for a wallpaper on your laptop. If I’d seen your video 2 years ago I wouldn’t had bought A7 iii 😅😅Thanks for really good review 👍👍
@DesmondButler 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for saying that. That's really what I hoped this video would do for potential buyers. Wish I could have warned you earlier 😅 I think I agree with how you described the a6500. That being said, I still love mine. Its still the only camera I take on vacation 😅
@ABCBCACB 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for making this great video!
@DesmondButler 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@huyballack 16 күн бұрын
Awesome vid!
@huyballack 16 күн бұрын
Wonderful video mate! Please make more vids in the future😊
@DesmondButler 15 күн бұрын
Thanks! You can count on it 👍
@darkshaman7087 16 күн бұрын
I been thinking of getting the Sony A7 IV but many have said about the stars having a tinge of green in them, myself at the moment is using the old canon 6d which is great for astro but getting a bit heavy for my these days as its built like a tank but I have taken many pics from birds in flight to star trails using bulb mode it's been great. But as many have mentioned about the colour of the stars with the A7 IV i'm unsure about it and have anyone had any green colour issues with it?
@DesmondButler 16 күн бұрын
I can't say I've noticed that, but I would say that canon does seem to have a slightly different color science, and some do prefer what that produces. For me, it depends on the scene. I actually really like Sony color for night shots. As far as the stars looking green, maybe someone else here knows.
@darkshaman7087 16 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler thanks for getting back to me, I have been looking at the A7 IV as Alyn Wallace used this model as he did Astrophotography but sadly passed away not to long back also he lived here in Wales a few miles from me, you might have seen him on KZbin... Have you tried the Canon R6ii for astro? as I was also looking at this one.
@DesmondButler 15 күн бұрын
@@darkshaman7087 I have heard important upgrades were brought to the R6 Mark II, but so far I've only gotten my hands on the Mark I. I will definitely have to test it out in the future. I had not heard about Alyn. That is terrible news. I'm just now reading the articles about his passing. He will certainly be missed here. What an absolute tragedy.
@darkshaman7087 15 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler the r6ii seems a good camera also I have heard the mk 3 is coming out soon so the price might drop on the mk2, but it's a hard choice between the Sony and the Canon I will have to do some more research into them... I found out Alyn was suffering from an underlying condition also in some of his videos he seems weak, it's a pity as he was so young and such a big loss, he moved from here in Wales and lived in Turkey and that is sadly passed away... If you type in on google about Alyn it will mention about his passing.
@dennis3004psp 16 күн бұрын
i hope sony drops the price on the A7R3a for Fullframe i want 42mp,or more because the pixel size
@chrisgorys 16 күн бұрын
Awesome video
@JetBen555 17 күн бұрын
Holy sh*t! your timelapse at the end of the video looks phenomenal, do you have a tutorial ?
@DesmondButler 16 күн бұрын
Glad you asked. Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGaYq2x9fLhnr6ssi=UckU_jDQ4ZfK6ELr
@rara4 17 күн бұрын
Bro dropped the best comparison videos ever and thought we wouldn't notice
@DesmondButler 17 күн бұрын
Haha, thanks man!
@solkels_z4794 18 күн бұрын
I've been using a6500 for a long time, and am thinking about getting an a7rv or a7iv
@solkels_z4794 18 күн бұрын
My problem is that I can't seem to get the right balance between noice reduction and sharpening, do you have any guides or recommendations?
@DesmondButler 17 күн бұрын
I personally haven't experimented with altering the camera's sharpness settings. The built in long exposure noise reduction is pretty good, but in recent years I find myself using the denoise process in Adobe Camera Raw more often. The next video I'll be putting out this summer will go over the process, but it's pretty straight forward, just two clicks. For me, the balance with sharpening and noise reduction is easier to find in post with tools from Adobe.
@przybylskipawel 19 күн бұрын
For that purpose you could easily replace a7RV with a7RIV for less money and get similar results.
@DesmondButler 19 күн бұрын
For Milky Way photography, you're absolutely right. The major difference is the 8k video, which is far superior to 4k for planetary imaging using the "lucky imaging" technique. If you don't care about capturing planets, then the a7R IV is essentially the same product but less expensive. One additional caveat might be high speed wildlife photography, where the AI model on the a7R V is said to be better, but I'd venture to guess its marginal in practice.
@bikashpathak3229 20 күн бұрын
wow best comparison ever in seen...
@DesmondButler 20 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@docgeo1779 20 күн бұрын
What a fantastic video. Great job with the detailed specs with analysis of the real time pictures and videos. It was a very scientific yet entertaining learning experience. Thank you. I expect your channel to blow up.
@DesmondButler 20 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@nicholasjaworski9368 21 күн бұрын
*laughs in a7RII that hasn’t seen the night sky because it only rains at night, apparently, in central FL*
@DesmondButler 20 күн бұрын
I hear the same is true for our friends in the UK. Hang in there, my friend. The clear nights have to show up eventually 🤞
@WatermelonSaurus 21 күн бұрын
Your video is awesome! never seen any other youtuber of this level. hope your channel grow and shoot for the moon
@DesmondButler 21 күн бұрын
I'm flattered by these compliments 🙏 Thank you!
@robertdoyle8972 22 күн бұрын
I got the Sony A7R V for doing wildlife photography here in Alaska but did end up getting the Viltrox 16mm 1.8 and did some northern lights photography with it and they turned out really good for me so ended up loving this camera with this lens for night time photography
@DesmondButler 22 күн бұрын
That does sound like a great night lens 👌
@youuuuuuuuuuutube 24 күн бұрын
Seems like if you could afford 2 cameras, then the A7R5 + A7S3 combo looks like a winner, and if you can only afford 1, then the A7IV is a pretty good in-between.
@DesmondButler 24 күн бұрын
Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty logical conclusion.
@FahadAJT 13 күн бұрын
FX3 + A7RV 🔥
@DesmondButler 13 күн бұрын
@@FahadAJT Sounds like you have your bases covered 👍
@duelinglenses3210 24 күн бұрын
Wonder where the A1 stacks up. With dual sensor.
@DesmondButler 24 күн бұрын
It boasts some pretty impressive stats. Looking forward to testing one out someday.
@santiagomadruga4298 26 күн бұрын
Very good comparison. I would like just to comment that newest models, A7RV, A7RC, A7CII have not longer the star eater issue according to reports in cloudynights. The A7CII has the same sensor as the A7IV but they have managed to solve the star eater problem. Personally, I'm considering an A7CII or Canon R6II, the A7RV looks fantastic but expensive.
@DesmondButler 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing that info! I've been told that the Canon R6 Mark II has low noise, but I've seen charts that say that the Mark I has lower noise than the Sony a7R V, and that is verifiably false from some of my other comparison videos. I need to test the Mark II though. It seems safe to assume that the a7C II would be a great choice, both economically and for noise.
@libertyvilleguy2903 27 күн бұрын
Excellent analysis/ comparison, thank you.
@DesmondButler 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@enolamns 27 күн бұрын
Awesome comparison! 👏 A Tutorial about best Timelapse with an A7SIII would be nice 🤝
@DesmondButler 27 күн бұрын
Here is a tutorial for how I create timelapses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGaYq2x9fLhnr6s I recorded this video last year before I had the a7S III, but the process is almost exactly the same. Hope it helps!
@enolamns 27 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler awesome thanks!
@Harh1981 29 күн бұрын
Interesting video, thanks. One thing to mention, maybe you should test M3 instead of M4 since the last one's SNR isn't the best. The more packed megapixels resulted in about 1 stop loss in noise (A7 III at ISO25600 looks the same as A7 IV at ISO12800), that made M4 a bit controversial for such a purpose.
@DesmondButler 28 күн бұрын
I've heard this about the a7 III. I would at the very least be interested in testing the Mark III against the Mark IV to see how much difference there is. Either way, you're right that I do need to test the Mark III.
@Harh1981 27 күн бұрын
Yeah, I was surprized to see A7 III produces more than a stop less noise than A7R M1 and having noise level very close to A7S despite twice megapixel count. In terms of noise level it's a very capable camera. There may or may be not some nuances in astrophotography in comparison to typical use, but I feel it might be one of the best suited camera for that purpose.
@floridaofiowaaerialsandpho1440 8 күн бұрын
This is why I continue to shoot Astro with my A7lll. Plus, I don’t care for the A7lV flippy screen in landscape orientation.
@mbenjamin292 29 күн бұрын
I am a new sub I just purchased sony a7rv do you think it's an ok shooter?I shoot Animals soccer ⚽️ swimming 🏊♀️ and the stars.
@DesmondButler 29 күн бұрын
Its not just okay, its a really great camera. It is super fast, and has a fantastic auto-focus in normal lighting. In low light, its still better than most cameras I've tested. Really the only major drawback is file management. The 61MP images do fill up your hard drive quickly 😅
@adam-adam05 29 күн бұрын
A7RV 🎉
@CocoKoi321 29 күн бұрын
Stupid ai content
@DesmondButler Күн бұрын
I'm very curious, what part of this video did you think was AI? 😆
@matthewqin3672 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the great test, I didn't expect apcs camera can do this well, would you like to do a comparison between a6500 and a6700 which has a new sensor and similar than Fuji's
@DesmondButler Ай бұрын
That would be a really good idea. I'm going to try to make that test happen.
@asherwilkins465 Ай бұрын
This is the kind of video I’ve been looking for for a while, thanks man
@DesmondButler Ай бұрын
Glad you found it! Thanks for the comment!
@stefanpwinc Ай бұрын
Nice detailed look with lots of pros and cons, thanks! Pretty sure I'll go with the α6700 to start, since it'll be a huge leap from my old Sony RX100 II, and having full width 4k60 is important to me (since my astro animations are usually 60fps, to reduce streaking), then maybe one day upgrade to the A7sIV if the limitations start to be an issue.
@DesmondButler Ай бұрын
You can still capture some pretty impressive shots with that APS-C line. I think you'll enjoy the a6700.
@dallascferguson Ай бұрын
St George :)
@DesmondButler Ай бұрын
Good eye