If they could trade down and still be in the top 10 and gain a 2nd round pick thats even better

2024 Nolen > 2023 Nolen

@ he would’ve done the same thing has he played him this year I can fix the bears 🐻

Appreciate it

You're right not their MO at all

Appreciate the insight and thanks!

Yeah facts bro I’ll take that Michigan DL all day he a beast. This draft is loaded with RB we got to many holes we need it all lol

​@@ripkobelakers2472Fr but tbh if all the guys are off the board and it's jeanty or like mykel Williams or Malaki starks I'm taking Jeanty imo because he's bpa at that point and at a dire position of need. Think we potentially bring in Vrabel at HC and I know he values the run game heavily.

@@kyler5257 kelvin banks will Campbell will Johnson one of them will be available. We have so many holes. Even trade back and draft that LB from Georgia. And get another pick. The RB class is loaded with talent

Appreciated! Should be a fun ride!!

Disagree. But think Allar certainly could be QB1 in the 2026 class.

@cpgmNFLDraft lol, What are you watching?

@@TonydaGM bro nobody is buying your crappy analysis

@MrTreyshawn22 lol, ok , I haven't been wrong yet, even the " experts say they wouldn't be in the top 4 QB's inbthe 24 draft. They are a waste of a pick

@ your all over KZbin trying to convince people about Brock lol nobodies listening to what you have to say right now nobody has him first

Yes, at times. And that's understandable. Was citing a specific game against Cincinnati in which he did have time, and had he played with a bit more anticipation had opportunities downfield that he didn't take. That could very well be byproduct of the pressure he's faced which can speed a QB up.

Perhaps, but the data actually shows that Shedeur holds the ball longer than Ward on average in 2024. All of those sacks weren't solely on the oline which was markedly better in 2024 compared to 2023. Still, Shedeur absolutely has a case for QB1.

Not a big gap at all. Just making the case for Cam Ward. This was the first year Cam Ward played behind a competent offensive line. The duration in which they hold the ball prior to throwing is almost equal, the difference in negligible. At a minimum, one of us has Shedeur as QB1.

Appreciate you and this analysis. It's close between these two. Then there's a tier break before the next group of QBs in our opinion. Think your assessment regarding both quarterbacks holding the ball too long, liable to get sacked quite a bit at the next level is fair. Anecdotally, it appears Shedeur gets the ball out more timely but their respective average time to throw is almost identical. The largest disparity is when either QB holds the ball over 2.5 seconds. Cam Ward is the only FBS QB on average that holds the ball for more than 4 seconds in these circumstances and he's done so over the last two years. He's more adept at extending plays than Shedeur (not at the Caleb level as you mentioned) so that explains some of it, but it's something that he'll need to reign in. On film and supported by aDOT and completion percentage (may not be the best metrics for this) it appears Sanders is more willing to take the checkdown. Not necessarily at the detriment of being explosive but while he does hold the ball longer than he should, he typically gets to the checkdown or outlet WR with more consistency. Ward typically has more turnover worthy throws do to his gun-slinging mentality but it becomes even more pronounced when he holds the ball longer than 2.5 seconds. There are some parallels in your Ward/Wilson comp particularly with how they both can get lazy mechanically leading to some inaccuracy but the mental makeup is wholly different. Very challenging the quantify but incredibly important. Cam is leaps and bounds ahead of Wilson in that regard. His experience as you mentioned shows in his pre-snap recognition and control of the offense. Neither are "can't miss prospects" but the majority of us favor Ward's ceiling over what we believe is a higher floor for Sanders perhaps incorrectly noted as playing more timely, but definitely fewer turnover worthy plays.

Agree that Cam doesn't get enough credit for his pre-snap recognition. When he sees two-high and utilizes Arroyo consistently he's tough to beat. Think the concern (at varying levels) among us is post snap. Cam refuses to give up on a play. Sometimes you get heroics, sometimes you get an ill-advised throw across his body or a sack that otherwise could have been avoided. You simply cannot hold the ball as long as he does sometimes. That's what's meant by "big game hunting." You don't want to coach out of him entirely because he's a unique talent, but he's got to operate with just a little more urgency in terms of his mechanics and getting the ball out timely. Some, if not all of us don't question his ability to read defenses. It's more about understanding when to simply move on to the next down.

Sanders is better pre snap than ward is

@@Mato-x6g Would agree with that notion. But don't think there's a seismic difference.

@@BA-oy9uo Haven't studied him yet. Will do so over the weekend.

@@cpgmNFLDraft pff had him has a top 10 OL in ACC last year. let me know what you think when you get the chance

@@cpgmNFLDraft did you check him out?

@@BA-oy9uo Haven't studied Gulbin in great detail, but noticed he transferred to Michigan State. Will focus in on him during summer scouting and the 2026 draft cycle.