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@sacriptex5870
@sacriptex5870 Сағат бұрын
i have an Joinville Lathe, a South Bend 9 Clone from Brazil, mine uses 8tpi lead screw i have downloaded a Longan Lathe dial from Printables, who are 8tpi too! lets see if works!!! Amazing Video! God Bless you and your Family! Greetings from Brazil!
@kooldoozer
@kooldoozer 14 күн бұрын
I like it. -------Doozer
@andrewchristian2008
@andrewchristian2008 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for your videos im currently doing the same with my tabe may i ask where you got your oil lines from please thanks Andrew
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 15 күн бұрын
Thanks. I bought mine here: www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=One%20Set%20Lubricating%20Oil%20Pump%20Hand-Actuated%20Router%20Electromagnetic%20Lubrication%20H
@RobertClolery
@RobertClolery 21 күн бұрын
At this point you are supposed to have at least three apprentices .
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 20 күн бұрын
Ha! I think you mean that I need to be the apprentice and have training from 3 experts! I seemed destined to learn things the hard way! Best wishes. 🙂
@raystevens687
@raystevens687 26 күн бұрын
Hay here is an Idea use some Red Lock tite it might keep the brass and steel mate together. I'm hoping that will work out for you.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 26 күн бұрын
Yeah, that is a good idea. Next time I have it apart, I'll have to add that in. Thanks!
@normanthompson4729
@normanthompson4729 Ай бұрын
At 19:07 I noticed your spindle oilers are empty and shut off , I have the same identical Lathe 15"" model N serail # 58530. I love my Lathe the only thing it does not have, and I wish it did, is a chip catch pan built on it. Watched almost all your videos, pick up some in site on my machine. You show the history of your machine, I went to school in Bridgeport Ct . at Bullard-Havens Tech high school it was named after Bullard Machine tool co in Bridgeport. We had machines donated from Bullard machine tool Co.and Bridgeport machine tool. Keep up the Good work and Thank you for the video content.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg Ай бұрын
You are not the first to notice that my oilers were empty. For the life of me, I can't remember to shut them off when I am done with the lathe. So I fill them up, and then come back and find them empty. And *then* I remember to shut them off. :-( It is so cool that you went to HS in Bridgeport. I bet you have some amazing stories. Best wishes. KT
@normanthompson4729
@normanthompson4729 Ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg I forget mine all the time too. Wish there was a better way to do it.
@robertpeters9438
@robertpeters9438 Ай бұрын
Threads per inch on the linear shaft must match the pitch of the gear's circumfrence. Remember pi.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg Ай бұрын
Mmmmm..... blueberry pie! LOL. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
@glennmiller299
@glennmiller299 Ай бұрын
Hi Kevin. When you checked the table with your DTI you had the stylus at the wrong angle. This introduces cosine error. You need the stylus parallel with the table to get a more accurate reading. Best Wishes.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg Ай бұрын
I had to go back and check the video, and you are right. I had the stylus of that indicator at about 30 degrees. I found this video by Joe Pie that talks about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqS6hKumrKiDi8k Looks like it is important to have the tip of the indicator as parallel to the surface as possible. If within 10%, it will give error of 1.5% according to wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosine_error 'm still not sure if my error was to overestimate or underestimate how much variance there was with that table. But thanks for pointing this out. I'll try to better next time!.
@christinepryor5893
@christinepryor5893 2 ай бұрын
Nice job on another series, DK! I always wanted a tour of your shop and you basically gave one here so that’s neat. Good luck narrowing down your next project 😀 I’ll look forward to what ya have next.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the positive feedback. Who knows what hair-brained job I'll jump into. :-)
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your feedback. I'm sure I'll find some hair-brained project to start soon. (P.S., if this comes through double, it is because I typed out a reply, but then it seemed to disappear.). Best wishes!
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 2 ай бұрын
Kevin, you did it! This video has provided some very interesting discussion in which you have unhesitatingly presented both the triumphs and warts of your process. It has also stimulated a number of very pertinent and potentially very useful comments. This series has provided a good look at the complexity of what, on the face of it, seems like such a simple process. Thank you for presenting your work so clearly. Incidentally, I think leaving the inclined front surface unfinished is very appropriate. I designed the straight edge intending that surface and the rear vertical surfaces not be scraped in. Denis
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Denis, thank you so much for your kind words. You have been very supportive as I bumbled my way towards completion. Perhaps my experience can be a starting point for others, so they can avoid the mistakes I have made. :-) Thank you also for making the nice starting casting, and for giving me great advice. Best wishes! KT
@Kmc-g3p
@Kmc-g3p 2 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh!!! I know him!!! So cool Dr. T 🎉
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Uh oh.... you are going to see my alter ego! Lots of grease and foolish mistakes 🙂
@Aldineyer
@Aldineyer 2 ай бұрын
Have you seen the Scraping Basics playlist by Stefan Gotteswinter? Well worth watching and he also rebuilds a compound slide in the last two.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I have not seen this series. I know Stefan, and everything he does is complete mastery. I need to watch what he says about scraping. But to be honest, he intimidates me. As in I will never be able to do things as good as he does. LOL. I just need to suck it up and watch it already! Thanks for the pointer.
@huibhoogendoorn503
@huibhoogendoorn503 2 ай бұрын
Nice job Kevin.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope you enjoyed the series.
@huibhoogendoorn503
@huibhoogendoorn503 2 ай бұрын
Very much Kevin
@rustbeltmachine
@rustbeltmachine 2 ай бұрын
Hey Kevin, I’ve been following along… great series showcasing how tedious it is even with a power scraper! One note: That sunshine directly on the straight edge could probably influence your readings. I know Moore talks about it in their book. Anyway, probably not a huge deal. I hope you keep cranking out great machining videos. I’m here for it. Matt
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. That power scraper should be working better than it does. I'm still trying to figure out why it seems to only give me chicken scatches. I'll keep working on it. :-)
@dankrzeminski6370
@dankrzeminski6370 2 ай бұрын
I welded mine and fly cut the whole table. Very good results.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Can you tell me more about this. I initially wanted to weld mine, but everyone told me that the heat would make the cast iron crack. How did you do it?
@Tidexon
@Tidexon Ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenbergI’m not the one you asked to question to but I’ve welded a cast iron crank with good results. I used cast iron specific electrodes (nickel alloy) in a stick welder. It is definitely possible to weld cast iron but you have to be extra careful to prevent cracking and overheating. The key is to preheat it, which is possible using a torch, to somewhere between 500 and 1200° but not above 1400 Fahrenheit. Cast iron is also prone to overheating so the weld beads has to be quite short, about an inch (or 10 times the electrode diameter) and using the lowest possible amperage.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg Ай бұрын
@@Tidexon This is great information. Thanks. But I'm not sure I have the tools or skills to do that. Maybe next time. 🙂
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 2 ай бұрын
I love the red and black! Came out nice, Kevin. My OCD would not let me leave that front edge unfinished. LOL!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Maybe I can come back to it when I get a good straight edged surface plate. :-) Thanks for watching.
@AndreasEnnemoser
@AndreasEnnemoser 2 ай бұрын
really dedicated. Congrats
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. The jury is still out regarding "dedication" vs "foolish persistence". Ha! :-)
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful Landscape
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. There is something about a beautiful landscape that I find quite peaceful. :-)
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 2 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg I agree my lawn is about 1 acre and I love to just sit with a cup of coffee or glass of tea and soak up the peacefulness of it after I mow it. BTW great job on the Straight Edge scraping. You did the job the way the pioneers of precision had to do it. Surface grinders haven't always existed. In the beginning the seeds of precision started with rubbing two rocks together to make the first surface plate. And on and on. Thanks for such a great video.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
@@terrycannon570 🙂 Thanks for the kind words.
@davemciver6577
@davemciver6577 2 ай бұрын
Kudos there Kevin for your patience and perseverance in seeing that project through. You've definitely got a precision reference instrument now which should serve you well in the future.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. Now if I could just figure out how to not take 3 months to get such jobs done. Ha!
@MatthewRulla
@MatthewRulla 2 ай бұрын
You've made wonderful progress. Constructive suggestions: Your carbide grinding disc is way too rough. When I grind the negative ~5deg bevel I like to use 2000 -> 3000 grit diamond wheels at very slow speed (Wd40 lube helps) for the keen edge (go ahead and create the radius and bevel with a course wheel, but use finner and finner wheels to finish the keen edge.) Heavy Dykem makes things easier to see; very helpful for roughing. You'll need less color for your final passes. I've been using a thin tempera paint (Walmart crafts dept) diluted with Windex as both the yellow and blue (use seperate rollers of course). After applying the color, use the palm on your hand (sans glove) and wipe all surfaces multiple times before attempting a print on your plate. You'll feel when the surface plate and straight edge are clean and smooth. I don't recall seeing you "pivot" your straight edge on your plate. This is an important step to prevent false readings and learning the true high spots. One important note that I hope you are not offended by: Your scape marks in this latest video are "scratchy". By that I mean your carbide it not finely honed and thus leaves lots of little gouges. If you were to lap your tool progressively up to 3000 grit diamond, you'd see smoother scrapes and less stoning after each pass. If you want, I'll grind a Sandvik insert for you. Contact: [email protected] I might be able to also bottle up some proper Blue and Yellow Canode marking fluid as well. As you mentioned, "side milling" along the BP's X-axis is preferred due to the notorious table droop. Do you have a copy of Connelly's book? Find it on-line or buy it before you start on the Bridgeport.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
This was an amazing reply. I just wrote up a long email to the address given above, but I got back a message that [email protected] was not a valid email address. Is there another address?
@christinepryor5893
@christinepryor5893 2 ай бұрын
Those old photos of your family are great! I love stuff like that. Boy for someone with no patience, you sure have patience when it comes to scraping and sanding😂 The only way I can equate it for my world is preparing fresh herbs when I’m cooking- you def have to commit bc it’s worth it! You’d be good at breaking down a bushel of fresh thyme. 😄
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Ha! Only if working on said bushel of thyme takes 3 months, starting with snow on the ground. Yeah, the old family stuff is pretty cool. Also, one of the family legends is that when immigrating, they were supposed to travel on the Titanic. Not on the voyage that ended in tragedy, but a planned subsequent one. After the Titanic sank, they traveled instead on the sister ship Olympic. Thanks for watching. :-)
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 2 ай бұрын
I decided to try out the idea of using a spring-loaded center punch to make divots of similar depths so that one might use them as a guide for heavier metal removal using an angle grinder or belt sander as Kevin showed in his video. Interestingly using the punch with its sharp point not dulled at all produced remarkably uniform divots .016" deep. I wish I could post pics here. But suffice it to say I found a random piece of 1018 steel 3/8" thick and milled off the scale using a sharp 1/2" end mill and fairly slow feed rate to produce a surface that felt smooth. Then I made about 30 divots in that surface using the generic spring punch. Then I returned the piece to the mill and carefully milled off the punched area watching to see how uniformly the divots milled out Amazingly they all seemed to be within .001 of each other. I do think that could be a useful method to guide heavier stock removal. And by dulling the tip, less deep but uniform divots could be made. FWIW Denis
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
It would be an interesting project to make a spring punch with adjustable spring compression such that one could dial in the desired depth. But I would think one would need a chart of the Rockwell hardness of the metal to factor in. After all, isn't this how harness testers work? The machine has known point harness, and known force, and then calculates metal softness based on divot depth? So if we have ([hardness] with [deformation force] ) ==> [divot depth], then to achieve desired depth, one has vary either the hardness or the deformation force. Thanks for working on this and posting. Best wishes, KT
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 2 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg The constant point/varying spring compression would be an elegant solution. But it would take me a week to take the punch apart, "engineer" a practical variable compression mechanism and then fabricate it. Most likely at that point I'd find it worked pretty well but needed improvements. Now I'd be redesigning and refabricating while another week went by. And there might well even be another circuit of this prior to getting a workable and reliable punch. I would take the quick and dirty approach and just sharpen or dull the point a bit on a bench stone or grinder and then test it on a scrap. Once it was making about the right hole depth, I'd start poking dents.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
@@zekestrom Ha! And this highlights exactly why everything takes me 10x longer than it should. I always seem to do things the hard way. :-)
@MatthewRulla
@MatthewRulla 2 ай бұрын
You're not scraping deep enough with your home built power scraper and your carbide should have a much larger radius for this roughing process. In roughing, you should be able to pull up a curl. You are making "chicken scratches", as Richard King would say. Measure the depth of each scrape. Each scrape should be at least 2 thenth's deep. Map out your hollow spots with a sharpie marker, then make enough passes to "scrape down" to that level, then take it over to the surface plate. You are wasting too much time and effort. Denis's castings are pretty nice. I've scraped a few.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm nowhere close to making a curl. You said "larger radius." But did you mean larger curvature? I.e. smaller radius? I would live to try out a real Biax to see what it is about my machine that is not working well. I have tried putting a different piece of carbide in there, with about half the radius of what I showed in the video. And it didn't seem to make much difference. I wish I could attend one of Richard King's classes and really get some proper education on scraping. But I haven't been willing to commit to the expense of time and money to do it. And thus I continue to stumble around in the dark. Ha! Thanks for the feedback.
@MatthewRulla
@MatthewRulla 2 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg Roughing needs a larger radius (bigger circle, almost straight) and you need about negative 5 degree grind on the edge. This will create a wider scrape. The tight radius is for pin-point scraping.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
@@MatthewRulla OK. It makes sense that larger circle would help remove more material at a time. But since I am having trouble getting the edge to "dig in," I thought you were trying to encourage me to concentrate the force. But I see what you mean about covering a larger area. Regarding the 5 degree edge, I think I have a much larger angle than that, and thus it might be part of my problem. I'm going to experiment with getting to 5 degrees for next time. Thanks for the info.
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss 2 ай бұрын
Shit man... I woulda tried using the Bridgeport to deal with that... A nice large flycutter, slow feed, even if it didn`t do perfectly, it would have to beat the 24thou starting point... Also, consider using narrower carbide for scraping... The narrower the carbide, the deeper it digs in, and the more damage it can do, but it can be used to great extent to cut down on the time spent, then you take a wide carbide and just level out the narrow furrows made by the smaller scraper... speaking of the plate, oh yeah, i see what you meant some time ago... That is quite some pitting, tho, i suppose that it could be taken out with enough effort, or at least reduced and corrected a bit... Tho, that would require some large diamond laps(a good project idea... some old weights, some diamond dust, a chrome roller, you know the drill)... Kind regards and all the best! Steuss
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I thought you had watched my earlier videos. I used my mill to my best ability, and still was left with that 24 thou'. Either I'm a crappy machinist, or my mill is crappy, or both! Ha! I didn't show it onscreen, but I did try a carbide with a more narrow radius. It didn't seem to do much better. I have been thinking also that I may need to pay attention to the bevel angle on the end of the carbide and see if that is correct. Thanks for the feedback. Sorry for the cringe. :-)
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss 2 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg Truth be told, i might have forgotten the previously seen videos... I`ll check out if i missed out on something, but at any rate, i`ve been a bit swamped with crap and i`m sleeping quite poorly in the last few weeks, so i don`t operate at 100%... I`m fine, just a load of stuff on a metaphorical bar feeder, running me like an automatic lathe, except for the fact that an auto lathe has 0 issues with such regimen, where we organics do... Best regards!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
@@camillosteuss Take care of yourself. You are the only one you've got! When I don't sleep well, everything goes sideways. Best wishes. 🙂
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss 2 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg Thanks for the kind words! I`m usually ok with less sleeping, at least in regards to performance, but i don`t remember stuff that i did with accuracy and sense of sequential progression for some time... Tho, i always had a shit short term memory... Once a few months pass, i start recalling everything, but recently observed or learned stuff is just put into the sorting machine and until it gets sorted, it`s lost... Oh well...
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 2 ай бұрын
Hi Kevin. Great story on your ancestry. And your Mom looks great (Happy Mother's day to her!). My Dad just turned 90. The straight edge looks great. I figure you were going to have to do a lot of work on it because of that droop in the table. Your method might be a bit unorthodox, but if it works, it works!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I believe Steve Watkins quoted Richard King as saying if there was more than 5 'thou to remove, to just send it off to be ground. So starting > 25 'thou called for drastic measures if I was going to do it in my little shop. Also, I think my power scraper must not dig in as well as a real Biax one, because it only seems to take off a fraction of a 'thou each pass. So that is what led to the use of a belt sander -- which is terrifying. Anyway, it is great to hear that your father has reached 90 yrs! Those are the kind of genes you want to inherit. Thanks so much for your feedback. :-)
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 2 ай бұрын
Kevin, you have been amazingly persistent. Good for you! It occurs to me that you might be able to save some time if you had caused your flatness plane to gradually rotate so that the end already in pretty good contact could have been allowed to remain more or less as it was and concentrated on the end in poor contact get the most metal removed there with the middle getting a middling amount of metal removed. As it was, you seemed to have accepted the general flatness plane that first appeared and just slowly raised that plane away from the sole and toward the bow of the SE. I am not sure what I am saying makes sense. But it would be like having the plane of flatness connected by a hinge to the "good" end and then settling and hinging downward with successive passes toward the poor contact end. That might allow about 50% less total volume of metal removal and consequently would have been faster. I know you wanted to use scraper chatter marks as a guide to prevent going too far in any given area. So, I guess you would remove those marks nearly fully on the "bad" end, about half way in the middle and very little if at all on the "good" end. Since early on you were removing 20 thou in some areas I wonder if you could have made divots of uniform depth to guide abrasive removal of metal in quantity. What I am thinking about here would be using one of those spring-loaded center punches to make many divots of more or less uniform depth and then grind down to them. Mind you, I have never done that. By selectively rounding the punch end I think you could likely get it to make a dent pretty predictably to say, .005 or .010 depth. That could allow safe use of your belt sander (with a zirconia belt) to remove more metal in a single pass. It might also make too much local removal more likely. Random thoughts while trying to imagine options. Denis
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the thought you put into this issue. I do understand what you are saying about picking one end to be the "good end" and working towards the bad end. Right off the bat, I don't understand how that would result in less overall metal being removed. But I may just need to think about this some more. You idea about using a spring-loaded center punch is very interesting. My concern would be to calibrate it, i.e. how to know how deep the divot was. In the end, if there is a lesson to be learned here, it is that I should have machined it with the mill, on it's *side*, as you pointed out. That way, as the table drooped, it would not have affected the cutting plane. Thanks so much for watching. I hope you like the next video when I get it all completed. :-)
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 2 ай бұрын
​@@KevinToppenberg Concerning the question of reducing the amount of metal removed by allowing the plane to hinge on one end: The volume of metal removed is more or less represented by a rectangular box 36" long, 3" wide, and .020 high in your case. In that case, plane simply slowly descends equally on all corners until the surface all prints, about 2 cubic inches of iron has to be converted to powder. It's easier to imagine the volume difference if you exaggerate the box, though, and make it 2 inches high rather than .020.". Now look from the side and draw a diagonal line from the top good end corner to the lower corner of the bad end. Imagine you remove metal down to the diagonal rather than removing the entire box of metal. Scraping to the diagonal would require half the metal removal compared to scraping away the entire box. Still you need to remove a lot of metal considering you are powdering it either by abrading it or scraping it. To calibrate the spring punch I think I would start by rounding the tip to look like a ball-point pen tip. Then, using a piece of 1/2x2x3" scrap soft steel (it is close to the hardness of soft cast iron) I would mill off the surface and make a bunch of divots. Then I'd mill off the surface in small increments to see if this system did in fact make more or less uniform dents and to see about how deep they might be. The tip profile could be adjusted to get about the depth desired. One caution would be to be sure to back up the steel by placing it on a heavy steel or cast surface as you want to simulate the mass of the casting and not just a small piece of steel floating in space. I am half-tempted to try that out in my shop just to see if the idea is at all practical. I kinda think it would work. Anyway, I mam looking forward to the next video. Denis
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I see what you mean about the best plane to aim for. And regarding calibrating the spring punch, that is a pretty good idea. Thanks for the helpful pointers!
@gordonbarr6263
@gordonbarr6263 2 ай бұрын
My 2 cents are it would be nice if you added a grinder and old drill press to your inventory to restore . I am a big fan of watching restorations.you make good videos and I enjoy watching.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I would love to have a surface grinder. I'll need to tell my wife that I just have to get one, "for the channel." Ha! I have an old drill press that belonged to my wife's grandfather. He was a man of many talents, one of which was helping start up the Little Debbie's (snack cakes) factory by helping build their machines etc. The problem with the drill press is that it doesn't have a crank for raising and lowering the table. So I don't really like it. But it would be easy enough to clean up, paint, and get looking nice. I'll have to think about this. Thanks for the feedback!
@christinepryor5893
@christinepryor5893 2 ай бұрын
Very satisfying to watch that sucker cut away the soft cast iron. Annnnnd there was a shout out to Wooly Willy 😍😍😍😍😍
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I have it on good authority :-) that the creator of Wooly Willy was using metal shavings from the shop floor. It only seemed right. Ha!
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 2 ай бұрын
Kevin, Thanks for taking us along on this journey. You have been very straight forward in sharing both your trials and triumphs and your creative solutions to problems you've encountered. I have often wondered what happens to my castings and it a treat to get a ringside seat for this one. I am looking forward to the next video. Denis
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! I hope that, after seeing me bumble along, that it will give encouragement for others to try to do something similar. Your castings are a great option to get into this with. Thanks again so much!
@christinepryor5893
@christinepryor5893 2 ай бұрын
It’s neat to see all of your previous projects around your shop. Not just a fair weather make-em look pretty machinist - you are actually using all of them. Very cool! 😀
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! :-)
@Paul-pl4vy
@Paul-pl4vy 2 ай бұрын
Ever heard of a fly cutter?
@Paul-pl4vy
@Paul-pl4vy 2 ай бұрын
But a decent one
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
yeah, at the end of the video I tried one, and that didn't work either. My favorite saying is that "I can't learn from my mistakes until I make my mistakes." My brain told me that my hair-brained flycutter wouldn't work. But I still had to try it to be sure. :-) Thanks for your feedback.
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 2 ай бұрын
When I machined my straight edge, I also had the issue with the dovetail edge. My problem was the straightedge moved slightly when I was machining it.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I am hoping I got that edge thin enough to reach all the way into the corner of the dovetails. We'll see. How long was the straight edge that you machined?
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 2 ай бұрын
Kevin you certainly do have a beautiful shop. It almost looks sterilized. I certainly commend you for machining that much cast iron and keeping the mill so clean. Sometimes I use oil on a brush just to keep the fine particles of cast iron out of the air and on the ways. i am about to re machine the ways on the saddle of one of my lathes and really not looking forward to the mess that cast iron can make.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
I think part of that appearance is that floor. It is all nice and shiny. The problem is that shiny floors are not really what you want when you need to start welding etc etc. But thank you for the kind words! :-)
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 2 ай бұрын
That fly cutter at the beginning was maxing out the sketchy meter. 😬
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
They say you can't learn from your mistakes until you make your mistakes. Ha! I had hoped that with the soft cast iron that I would get away with it taking a light cut. But you are right, way too sketchy! Thanks for watching!
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 2 ай бұрын
I'm looking forward to how this turns out!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for hooking me up with the raw casting!
@christinepryor5893
@christinepryor5893 3 ай бұрын
First glance - that table looks like a regular lightweight moveable island. Wow, nope! I’m sure you’d have been hard pressed to find one (“up at 4 a.m. to move a half ton table? Sign me up!”) but ya need a buddy, buddy! Glad you got it where it needed to go.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it does kind of look like those mobile islands that one can have in a kitchen. But I just a touch heavier! Thanks for watching.
@zekestrom
@zekestrom 3 ай бұрын
Kevin, Thanks for your well-made video documenting your hard work and the creativity you used to accomplish a job that is not easy. I am sure you learned much as you progressed through the various setup steps and cuts. I use a little different setup on my BP including a very useful Bridgeport right-angle head. But that still does require swinging the head as you did. The advantage of the RA head is that you can lay the SE on its side and securely 3-point it. Using that method and on my machine (which, by luck was in good condition when I bought it) and a lot of care I can get the sole flat to about .001 or better. Having the SE on its side and using the RA head tends to get around the typical knee mill table rocking and makes a solid but non-warping setup easier. If your sole is out .014" over its length, you might consider using an angle grinder to rough it down to within a couple thou of flat and then start scraping. That is not a technique I have used, but I have seen reports of folks doing that with good results. I think your thoughts about welding up fixtures to support the ends of the casting would get around the need for cutting steps and making the flat on the bow. Only light support would need to be made at the center of the span to keep down chatter. And by finishing with light cuts (.005") and a sharp face mill very little deflection will occur. Careful planning of clamping arrangements to avoid flexing the casting will be your friend as well. I look forward to more in the promised series of videos. Denis Foster
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Here here! Everyone notice that this is the creator of the casting! Thank you so much for your comments. Yes, this was a learning process. I have had others recommend putting it on it's side and using a large endmill (which I have). If you were able to get to 0.001" on a bridgeport, then well done! I think if I did it again, using everyone's suggestions, I'd be happy to get to within 0.005" Regarding dealing with the 0.014", I ultimately succeed. Stay tuned for future videos (if you want). :-)
@jamesspallinger938
@jamesspallinger938 3 ай бұрын
I don't think you will ever get it flat with a bridgeport. Most tables are a couple of .001's out. With any flycutter finish you would be scraping for a year to get it flat. We had 4'x5' surface plates that were out by .0005 and had them refinished by a company that got them close. You need a good 6' grinder that holds a couple of tenths in that distance. I don't want to discourage you but after you go thru all the effort I think you will agree. I think a shop with a grinder like that would do it fairly cheap....then you can scrape.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
You are right! When I finally get it done and onto the surface plate, I'm off by about 0.015". But never fear, I ultimately succeed. Stay tuned!
@RevyZero
@RevyZero 3 ай бұрын
Great video! I noticed at 10:35 it looks like the saddle gib is extremely loose? either that or its the camera playing tricks on me lol.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Good eyes, and you are right. If I tighten up the gib further, I don't have range of travel, so I have to leave the gib loose and then constantly put the lock on that x axis. That has been part of my motivation to get a straight edge, so I might be able to try to fix it (big job that I am dreading). Thanks for watching!
@RevyZero
@RevyZero 3 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg I have a Clausing Kondia mill with a similiar issue and am also currently working on a straight edge to fix the issue haha. Good luck with it!
@Chromevulcan
@Chromevulcan 3 ай бұрын
Aside from the adventures in machining, I like that you ended your video with a Proverb. We need more people who aren't afraid to show their Christian values to the world!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
I am Christian, but I like to think that the appeal is because it is also just good common sense!
@machinewrangler4682
@machinewrangler4682 3 ай бұрын
Machine size and ambitions is an ongoing saga I think all machinists encounter. Then you get a bigger machine and take on even larger size jobs. See a few comments about moving the turret, and yes table sag is a good consideration also. I’d have been inclined to lay it on its side shim and clamp and run an endmill along the face. Just my 2cents from an escaped toolmaker.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
I hadn't even thought of running an endmill along the face. I'll try to keep that in mind for next time. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@davemciver6577
@davemciver6577 3 ай бұрын
Any plans for adding automatic feed to the milling table there Kevin?? Seems like you're having to do an inordinate amount of hand cranking. Maybe a future project. There are some great "home brew" solutions various people have come up with, if you don't want to invest in the commercial mechanism. Just a thought..
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Yes, by the end of the video I had gotten tired of hand cranking and installed a power feed. Much nicer!
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 3 ай бұрын
I agree with you and MyLilMule. . Seems we never have enough X-Y travel. Last year I added a BP Clone to my collection. I think it is advertised at a 52" table, but I can't remember what the actual work envelope is when I measured it but something around 49 seems to reside in my head. But of course, my head is not always my friend either. LOL I do enjoy your videos and also those of MyLilMule. I've been a subscriber for at least a year. Friendship seems to find its way into the Machinist/You Tube communities. Some would refer to the community as a family. Myself I divorced myself from Television in 2015. I prefer to soak my brain in good healthy knowledge. At age 72 time is short and knowledge is long. .002 is a lot to scrape. You may want to consider first draw filing the high spots before putting on that beautiful 36 x 48 Granite table you just got. I feel cheated when I look at my 6" x 18" Granite or my 18" x 18" cast iron surface plate compared to the 36 x 48 you have.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your reply. We are a bit like family. It would be fun to meet at a get-together. If you think .002" is a lot to scrape, wait until we get to the scraping part. It is more like 0.014" ! Ha!
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 3 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg It looked like a very generous .002 to me also. LOL
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 3 ай бұрын
The challenges of having a small machine for big projects! I think you solved it the same way I would have, by rotating the turret. If it's just a small step, you should be able to step scrape it out. It's going to take a lot of work and a lot of passes, but I think you'll be able to do it. And thanks for considering me a friend, the sentiment is mutual!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
I think if I were to do it again, I would depend more on turret rotation than table movement. When I would move the table to the end of it's travel, I think I was getting quite a bit of sag. If, instead, I had kept the travel more to the midline, and divided the milling into 4 parts (i.e. 4 turret positions), I think it would have been more even. And thanks for the friendship! Best wishes.
@terrymoorecnc2500
@terrymoorecnc2500 3 ай бұрын
3/4" SC variable helix, unequal spacing, 4 X D minimum. 3.0" LOC in a solid holder, no collet.
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss 3 ай бұрын
Ah, and he has risen! Nice seeing ya back online... Speaking of large surface plates, i need one asap... Tho, i need a shop large enough to fit a large surface plate, what with my current/previous shop being crammed with machines... This is a nice specimen, but i am feeling quite strongly about that 4 point solution... Not because it is a 4 point, but because it is pinpoint contact with a nasty bit of metal straight against the stone... Whoever is responsible for that should be given a free helicopter ride, but that bit of injustice notwithstanding, i would chuck up some 3inch steel stock in a lathe, turned a radius into one face, radius the bolt heads of this stand into that same radius, and have that 3inch steel stock be made into say 1inch thick discs with a few concentric O-ring grooves cut into the other face... That would provide a much healthier support and bearing system to the plate and would have some ``give`` to it, which is supposedly a good thing with a surface plate... The radius-radius contact between the bolts and the discs would also play nice during alignment adjustments... Otherwise, as said, that is a nice plate... All the best and kindest regards! Steuss
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
I'll show some more details in upcoming videos, and I appreciate your kind words, but the surface plate is not really in very good shape. The edges have quite a bit of wear, and the material that they used contained some softer material (quarts?) that has flaked out in many places, leaving surface imperfections. I think the high points are still flat (I hope they are), but its not "pretty." Having said that, when I get to scraping, I make sure that I move the straight edge all around the surface, so that if there is one area that is low, it will be compensated for. Thanks also for your advice about making that stand better.
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss 3 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg I expected issues, the chipping notwithstanding, but a plate like this is somewhat easily fixed, or rather, with enough effort and time... Look up Robin Renzetti`s video on his surface plate work... Now making such large charged laps may be troublesome, but it can be done... Even if you can only make small laps and have to deal with the issues one detail after another... I`m always glad to offer any insight that comes to my mind, should i perceive that it might be of help... I may come across a bit assertive, but yeah, it`s only because i don`t like seeing abuse or poor treatment of worthy things... Best regards!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
@@camillosteuss I always appreciate your input. You are clearly passionate and knowledgeable Best wishes!
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss 3 ай бұрын
@@KevinToppenberg Most glad to have something to offer... I do agree with passionate, as i have been zealously learning all that i can regarding and related to machining for over a decade with no hope of ever getting a single machine, let alone all the other fields and subjects of my maniacal researches and studies, but i would say that i am well read/informed... Knowledge is more solid and backed by some experience in the very least, where most of my passions were up to now - a relentless devouring of literature... I guess that the actual lack of application is what drives the desire to share with others who are in a situation where they can do it at present... Kinda like the overcompensating parents who live their unfulfilled dreams through their kids... Except i do it with hairy men from across the globe - rather than kids... But, we`ll get to it, in the next year or so, i`ll likely have a proper shop built next to my house, and then the application will begin in earnest, and the learning might just become consolidated knowledge... All the best and warmest regards!
@elijahg7623
@elijahg7623 3 ай бұрын
Looking forward to that straight edge video!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. I need to get started on editing the footage!
@Bigen-11
@Bigen-11 3 ай бұрын
Just Subscribed, Great Work!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sub! I hope you enjoy the series. Drop a comment if you have any questions. Best wishes.
@ascott6804
@ascott6804 3 ай бұрын
...welding over a wooden floor!? Very brave!! You ain't hurtin! Nice snatch and grab!
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
That floor is a bit too beautiful for its own good. Ha! I put it in there to increase floor strength. The installer got a good deal on "cabin grade" flooring. And now it is a shame when I mess it up with stuff like welding. I should be more careful, but I just want to be able to use my shop! Thanks for watching.
@davidfranzkoch9789
@davidfranzkoch9789 3 ай бұрын
Great job! Hope those castors will be holding the weight.
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
I found an online calculator that took the dimensions for granite and come out about 1,000 lbs. Its probably right at the limit of what they can handle.
@ciceroskip1
@ciceroskip1 3 ай бұрын
Did you know that you can remove that tailgate in about 30 seconds without any tools?
@KevinToppenberg
@KevinToppenberg 3 ай бұрын
Now that you mention it, I think someone told me that once. But I didn't think about it. It would have been safer for sure!