Dude!! I have a bugera 333xl that the distorted channels have basically no volume no matter how load I turn it up but if I run a signal like a preamp or my hx stomp into the return of the fx loop and it works perfectly fine as a power amp. It’s really load being a 120w tube head but the tech I took it to checked all the valves and couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it and said to take it apart would basically cost more than buying a replacement
@rocketsauce506749 минут бұрын
You should go on tone talk with Dave Friedman.
@PeterCleff59 минут бұрын
This is a wildly informative video. This whol channel is great. I only recently started molding guitars. But I've learned a lot here.
@andersjjensen2 сағат бұрын
Neat contraption. Personally I have a 5W practice amp from Harley Benton that was so laughably cheap that if it ever develops a problem I'll chuck it and get another one.
@DannyUnderwood2 сағат бұрын
Great point on who it's for. I used the original unit for years, and it worked great to quickly identify the state of a tube, and then a good tech can use their ears to decide from there. The one complaint we always had, and it seems Orange tried to address with the microphonics testing, is that to truly test the roadworthiness of the tube - it should have a vibration monitor inside! Emulate the shake! SHAKE IT!
@runedahl14772 сағат бұрын
I got the first generation of the valve tester and have had it for years. It does the job well.😊
@A.V.71702 сағат бұрын
Awesome video
@vintagetubeamplifiers2 сағат бұрын
For that price I'd buy a MaxiMatcher.
@LaLaLand.Germany2 сағат бұрын
Aaand THE BIG QUESTION: how much is the sucker?
@roycebuckmaster16813 сағат бұрын
On the thumbnail I thought it was just going to be a cheeky lesson in how to tap valves with a branded pencil for microphony.
@SBanas3 сағат бұрын
I know it is a bit of a niche product, and I really badly need one, but 850€?! I mean I get it, Orange is not gona sell as many of those as for example their amps or heads, but man, that's soooooo expensive😢
@-processdrone-3 сағат бұрын
I used to work for Marshall (terrible employer with 1960s-whip-cracking values in the 1990s so I left) We tested if the valves were microphonic by tapping them individually and listening to find if any were significantly louder than the rest ...with no signal passing. With this in mind your vintage amp may not have passed this test when it was brand new. Just sayin'.
@MarekBobosik4 сағат бұрын
I am not very happy with this. I purchased this Orange MKII valve tester immediately after they released it. It shows faulty readings on 5% of my new tubes. Or it shows a green light (good) when a tube does not pass any sound in an amplifier. Also sometimes both lights illuminate. Either green and red altogether or green and amber. They were able to replace the first valve tester MKII I purchased. However, the second one they sent does the same. I even sent the problematic valves causing the issue to Orange headquarters. So they can trace the problem. Never heard back from them since. I am not sure if it's worth the price I paid. It might be good for a guitarist who wants to check the tubes in his amp. If you do repairs I don't recommend it. But why would a guitar player spend 850 quid to test a few tubes? You could just simply replace all your tubes and save money.
@nickalderman59434 сағат бұрын
wow, orange finally made something I would actually buy. Gotta keep the amp collection maintained.!
@DROPTUNED4 сағат бұрын
Have the mk1 version and still working great after all these years... hundreds of valves tested at my workshop... had to resolder all the tube socket pins due to wear and Stress... apart from that... works like a charm... nothing to complain
@gerardpalmer41854 сағат бұрын
Not as techy as units 50 years ago but with it jammed packed with IC chips and perhaps a CPU or two is just why it is “cratering to the typical guitarists carnal capabilities”.👍
@TheJstewart20105 сағат бұрын
Rather than all of us having to buy one of these, it would be great if someone who did own one offered a mail-in tube test service. Like most of us, I have a drawer full of tubes with unknown health that I've acquired from various places over the years. I'd gladly pay a reasonable fee to send them off and have each of them checked so I know what I actually have. Or if a local music store had one that you could pay a few bucks and bring in your tubes to test. It's always a bit ambiguous to use them for swapping with questionable tubes in an amp I'm working on since I don't know if they're actually good.
@michael9120005 сағат бұрын
Do the different valves make a significant difference to the sound of the amp? I am sure at hi-gain their may not be great differences but i for one would be interested in the sicence behind this. Also does cost make a difference on the Valve?
@veikkomultivitamiini48585 сағат бұрын
I miss the short bits at the end of the video
@willhaylock37695 сағат бұрын
Excellent stuff, keep it up - from an aging analog and SIPI Engineer :)
@moliver_xxii5 сағат бұрын
1:42 you mentioned Hi-Fi and valve in the same sentence? daring today aren't we?
@RulgertGhostalker5 сағат бұрын
I would be interested in a less expensive 9-pin tube tester .. one that only tested el-84s and ecc83 would probably fly off the shelves at the right price. just one socket, less interface, and much less processing power.....the problem is, it would still need a power supply; and that costs.
@yaniv-nos-tubes4 сағат бұрын
get a used vt 1000
@stevenleek12546 сағат бұрын
I'm surprised you overlooked the testers that were everywhere in local repair shops. Complete idiots could easily use them.
@RulgertGhostalker6 сағат бұрын
if I had a higher power Si rectifier amp, it would eventually pay for itself. ( or like a bassist who runs a Traynor YBA 300, would waste a lot of money if they didn't get one ) but my only tube amp is a 5Watt with a 6Z4, so it's better to just swap tubes at reasonable intervals.
@mahn99356 сағат бұрын
£850 LOL
@Margilio51506 сағат бұрын
I need one, I don’t have a tube amp nor any tubes to test, but it looks neat 😂
@allanflippin24536 сағат бұрын
Colin, Really cool piece of kit! Does operating the tester require wearing black and red gloves? :D
@ScienceofLoud6 сағат бұрын
Gloves aren't required to handle valves, but I didn't fancy getting glass in my hands if I accidently broke any
@JohnShalamskas4 сағат бұрын
1 - possible breakage 2 - tubes get HOT when you apply power to them.
@markpell89793 сағат бұрын
I think handling tubes with gloves is a good idea to keep the glass free of potential hot spots in possibly disadvantageous places that might be caused by oily skin or the potentially corrosive or conductive minerals in human sweat. If you leave an oily or sweaty fingerprint on a tube you will sometimes see it burned onto the glass later as a permanent deposit. Not always a great concern maybe as to tube performance but generally it pays to do clean work. And as Colin said it protects your hands if you physically break a tube or even pop one thermally, which coud happen if a cool fluid accidentally lands on a hot tube. Use eye protection too. You don't want shards in your body from this hard but brittle glass that fractures into needles and darts.
@allanflippin24533 сағат бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud That all makes sense. Actually, I was teasing you a little about your "stylish" choice of gloves :D Rock on!
@BillyTheKidsGhost6 сағат бұрын
Young folks and volume drop in a tube amp...🔥
@K707OR306 сағат бұрын
Man, I love Orange. I know they get a lot of love but they really don’t get enough. They’re not perfect, but the idea that they make a device like this is awesome. I wish people understood that while yes they’re not quite Fryette or Friedman build quality, in particular my OR30 and AD30 are built so much better than amps that cost 2-3 times as much that most guitarists will generally regard as “so much better” just because it costs more. There’s a certain other British amp manufacture who while I love their amps and own more than one of them, Orange build quality (UK made anyway) is objectively better and more people need to know about it. In that respect, Orange doesn’t get enough recognition.
@Bob_at_Quibsonguitarworks6 сағат бұрын
Holy Cow! It's about time something like this is made available to techs! The last "Tube Tester" I ever saw was at a Radio Shack in the mid 80's. That was a monstrosity, but it did very similar tests on many kinds of valves, not just ECC8x or 12A_7 and the 3 major power amp valves. Some of the socket designs dated way back to the invention of valves, or shortly after (late 20s, early 30s?). It also only told you if the valve was ok, worn or dead...that's it. This much more advanced device looks like something our shop needs.
@Yupppi6 сағат бұрын
If this is affordable, this is a great tool for a guitarist. Not for a tech necessarily (however plenty of amp techs are used to working without a valve tester altogether), but it's a good middle of the spectrum product. Like do you want to hunt for a huge valve tester from the 60's for god knows how much money just to have any indication of the valve health? Looked up the price for this, at £850 (but free delivery worldwide!) this is far beyond the reach of any guitarist and most techs so I have no idea who this product is for. What is the target audience that is willing to put that much money into a monitoring device that's not absolutely fully featured? It's way easier to monitor some audible or behavioral changes and just replace with a new tube, or trying a backup tube to see if it fixes the problem and then getting a new one if it's very high quality. I assumed this to be priced at 100-200 euros and being a reasonable buy even if you don't absolutely need it.
@flyingrat4926 сағат бұрын
Don’t know what world amp techs don’t use tube testers unless they’re overpriced hacks. £850 is sort of reasonable for a piece of testing equipment, on the pricy side but it’s going to last longer than the old stock as you say. If you think about how much guitarists spend on amps and gear, it’s a pretty minor cost overall when a retube of some bass amps costs the same
@random-guitar6 сағат бұрын
This self-correction reinforces my confidence in you, Colin. You were right to take down the faulty video. You are NO fraud! You’re a human being. Even the best can sometimes miss the obvious. How many of us have meticulously packed all of our gear for a gig…and forgot a guitar cable!
@moisttowelette53537 сағат бұрын
$1100... thats a no from me dog. I know its a handy piece of equipment for techs but it's double what the previous version sold for.
@ScienceofLoud6 сағат бұрын
That's mostly because it can do twice the stuff the previous version was capable of
@chrissguitarchannel7 сағат бұрын
"Orange really are catering to the typical guitarist's cranial capabilities in making this device super simple to operate." I feel personally attacked...
@markpell89794 сағат бұрын
Ah, Chris, but if the shoe fits... 😁
@Buzzel-NL7 сағат бұрын
Ooh man the price is steep. But collecting old tubes and never using them because they might be bad is expensive too… Also great for testing new “matched” tubes
@andrewlong4457 сағат бұрын
If a guitarists has 850 EU/USD i guarantee they're just gonna buy a new amp. We're phenomenally dumb like that.
@ScienceofLoud7 сағат бұрын
Like I said at the end of the video - this is not a product for the average guitarist. This is for people who make their money repairing and servicing amplifiers. You could spend hours chasing down a microphonic valve without a tester, but with this you can pin point it inside 2 minutes. That time saving alone would justify the price to a professional tech.
@andrewlong4456 сағат бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud yeah I maaayy have looked the price up before I finished the video. That's on me.
@bpabustan7 сағат бұрын
This could actually save the amp owner some money if they discovered the tubes replaced are actually still good. Especially if it becomes possible that the good ones matched gains.
@barretprivateer87687 сағат бұрын
99% of the time its not your tubes, you just want it to be because thats the simplest possible repair.
@K707OR307 сағат бұрын
So many people need to read this
@flyingrat4926 сағат бұрын
In my experience, 30% of the time it’s the tubes, 50% the caps and a lot of the rest of those repairs are consequences of a valves failing and damaging other stuff, but you might not realise as the first thing most people do is replace their valves
@K707OR306 сағат бұрын
@@flyingrat492fair enough but I think who OP was originally saying that for is for the “my amp is currently on fire and every time I touch it I get knocked unconscious for about 10 minutes after being shocked…should I replace my tubes?” crowd, which is probably about 95% of guitarists.
@flyingrat4926 сағат бұрын
@@K707OR30I mean I had a similar less serious problem caused by a tubes heater shorting, so you could actually have that problem from a bad valve. But I get what you mean
@devilsguitaristmusic4 сағат бұрын
99%??? Tubes are, or originally were, the cause of a lot of problems. It depends what kind of problem you're having of course, but certain types of issues are commonly caused by tubes. But, tubes are the easiest thing to replace and a lot of people just will replace their tubes and you'll never hear about them having an issue. The things that you hear about are problems people weren't able to fix themselves.
@nicholastotoro77217 сағат бұрын
Electronics stores used to have tube testers in them... that was a verrrrrrrry long time ago. Glad to see one of these readily available.
@ScienceofLoud7 сағат бұрын
Ah, the good old days when you could go to the store and test your TV tubes on the tester.
@nicholastotoro77217 сағат бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud We're talking the 1970's and early 1980's... my childhood here in the US LOL!!!
@Steve_the_Bastard7 сағат бұрын
Pretty fascinating stuff man. Great vid
@AbomunusMetal7 сағат бұрын
850€ ?? No thanks
@ScienceofLoud7 сағат бұрын
Are you an amp tech who makes their money repairing amplifiers and troubleshooting valve issues? If you were you'd recognise the value of the device and how quickly it would pay for itself in the time you'd save. If you're not, then it wasn't priced for you anyway. This is a professional piece of test equipment - those never come cheap.
@AbomunusMetal5 сағат бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud actualy, yes, i am amp repairman but, this price is kinda tu much for me. Sure, you will repay this product by repairing amps from clients but still...MK1 was waaay cheaper back in the day and it was nice product, still have it thou, working like a clock
@thehoppo4 сағат бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud Hard disagree £850 is more than a lot of very good valve amps these days, I have 10 heads and this would be more than useful for people like me, but at that price they can do one for whats likely in it component wise, even taking R&D into consideration
@mrpbody447 сағат бұрын
I need one of these now. Great video
@mendelrocks7 сағат бұрын
Again those Phonic Micro tubes true to form!
@thesteamycreamofdualjabbar64867 сағат бұрын
Thank god for amp modellers
@chrisdaviesguitar7 сағат бұрын
Another thing about replacing valves, many amps will require the valves to be (re)biased. Now that is beyond most guitarists.
@chrispodesta81057 сағат бұрын
Yeah, wasn't it that exact thing Colin once said "Don't fuck around if you don't know what you're doing"
@ScienceofLoud7 сағат бұрын
People got REALLY upset with me for giving out that warning - they took it as a personal insult rather than me protecting them from a potentially lethal electric shock. I will never encourage anyone to open up their amplifiers and start poking around UNLESS they are appropriately qualified to do so. Even the people who are qualified and experienced get shocked occasionally - it would be much worse for people who weren't taking the proper precautions.
@barretprivateer87687 сағат бұрын
Only fixed bias amps require this and it usually comes down to turning a potentiometer, a musician may not be able to target a specific plate dissipation % but they can probably turn a knob until their tubes are not red plating
@ScienceofLoud7 сағат бұрын
It's not really about that though: It's about people sticking their hands inside live electronics with hundreds of volts coursing through them. If you don't know what you're doing, it would be very easy to short a filter cap, or have one hand on the chassis while the other is touching something live, or to go in there with rings or dangling necklaces... It's all the knowledge that keeps you safe while turning that trim pot that matters.
@rabidwallaby846 сағат бұрын
My old Traynor 300W bass amp had bias controls on the back for each tube AND indicator lights to make this a breeze.
@michaelgarcia20509 сағат бұрын
Blackstar is killing it with amp innovation.
@dongwarrenmusic12 сағат бұрын
The Messa Bogie Dual Rectifier right now is shivering that he is next. lol. i hope. in next video please.