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Nope. There was no pre-impact fire. But if you want to continue believing that there was, that is your right.

Only if the fire and rescue at the airfield is utilised. I'd guess that the town's fire department was called in for this as it was off the airfield.

Engine fire will not make you come down like that

No, no pre-impact fire. But those super bright nose-gear lights and the engine exhaust heat signatures sure gives that appearance, doesn't it.

Landing lights

No, no pre-impact fire.

Yep, I am a student pilot and got slow because I was slow in putting up some flaps after a go around. Whew! I has having an argument with the air speed indicator. Working to get that speed up. before I can climb any more and take out the last of the flaps as my speed was not recovering. Seemed like like it took a long time. 55 degrees F. Half fuel and light load.

@@kimberlywentworth9160 add power! don't be afraid to add power!

their lights

Lights....fire..... I'm gonna say glare off the reflective surface. lol I just like the arguing.

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More dangerous to drive but ok

Watch that "semi" beside you. Enjoy your drive.

​@@seth10261 Most people survive car crashes.

Landing lights.

Definitely ice condolences to families

What are Ice people?

😂 ignorance is bliss

No black box on this airplane... Only Large commercial aircraft and some smaller commercial, corporate, and private aircraft are required by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to be equipped with two "black boxes" that record information about a flight. In the case of an aircraft incident or accident, investigators use the data from the black boxes to reconstruct the events leading to the event......One of the black boxes, the cockpit voices recorder(CVR), records radio transmissions and sounds in the cockpit while the other, the flight data recorder (FDR), monitors parameters such as altitude, airspeed, and heading. The CVR records the flight crew's voices, as well as other sounds inside the cockpit using microphones usually located in the overhead instrument panel between the two pilots and in the headsets of the pilots.......Sound of interest to an investigator include engine noise, stall warnings, landing gear extension and retraction, and other recognizable clicks and pops. Communications with Air Traffic Control (ATC) and conversations between the pilots and cabin crew are also recorded by the CVR. I hope this helps understand the application of Black Box and where is needed .

@@g2vision839 yes..though a lot of small plane do have them..I would think it would be up to owner. I used to fly in the '80s, dad had a Cessna 210 also some in Alaska. Friend has a de Havilland Beaver on pontoons. Now that's an amazing aircraft.

@Patricia That airplane is a solid platform....never have had the chance to flight one ... this air is a short takeoff and power by a PW Pratt Whitney Radial engine 985 if Im not mistaken....and around 1500 were made.... is called by the true aviators as the legit Bush plane ....in the military platform is the DHC-2

@@g2vision839 hello, it actually had a turbo prop. I swear he could land it in a puddle. It was rugged and dependable and fun as it gets. Even I had no problems never attempted to land with pontoons though, but when he put big tires on it was no sweat

That's debatable and a professor used to know better than to speak that soon. The camera, resolution, distance and lighting could've easily provided that false assumption. An investigator would also know that a fire on board doesn't cause an immediate lack of communication, 90 degree pitch to the ground. The logical assumption is something happened when speed was lowered, flaps and gear were prepping for landing. Given atmospheric conditions on that morning- icing seems most logical. Or we can go with the highly improbable timing that a fire broke out at the exact moment the plane was ready to land. Ugh, even typing that disappoints as our academic minds have really fallen. I say this as lifelong Buckeye living in Columbus.

It’s not a fire lol. It’s the lights on the plane. Stop it lol

Those are lights. Landing light, nav lights. People just spew this shit out of their mouth with no evidence. Gotta be frustrating as family of these people to see people just make erroneous claims.

Nope.

@@wjatube Not a bad reply. I agree.

Sure looked on fire to me

@@ginjazz2836 sure looks like a the road is wet in front of my. Just because something looks like something, doesn’t mean it is.

@@trishayamada807 ?

Are you a photo expert ? I hope so. I am just a high time old pilot. Why does the nav lights appear to normal & the taxi light have so much flare ? The light in question is only 4 inches across, About the same as a moped. I never use it on a approach. Serves no purpose. But who am I to say.

@@ginjazz2836 mirages look real, and you see them, but they aren’t an accurate picture of reality.

True, but the photo clearly shows boots on the wings & tail. I wonder if they were deployed.

@@RaysDad true, that. Also I stand duly corrected on my Colgan Air comment. MENTOR or MENTOUR PILOT (?) or a similar guy did an OUTSTANDING assessment of that accident. Poor training rather than icing was the MAIN cause of that wreck.

@@thomasmartin7425 You dont know that

@@RaysDad Pilot does not deploy boots. They are cycled as needed & never on a approch.

@@pauleyplayyou are a fool and not a pilot at least a pilot that flies an FIKI airplane.

What was macho in their flight ?

Yes, tell us smart guy.

Macho commentary neither.

How was that macho flight? Your comment is asinine... as·i·nine /ˈasəˌnīn/ adjective extremely stupid or foolish. "Lydia ignored his asinine remark"

That’s a bullshit, insensitive and disgusting thing to say about two people who died. Keep hiding behind your keyboard and talking like this about people who died. Shame on you. Disgusting.

Not really.

Is there a good way?

Quick, and thorough, very thorough

Why do you need to know ? Pilot still has control. Having said that . autopilot would be off. Cancel Reply

@@pauleyplay The reason I would like to know is that use of the autopilot has proved a critical factor in icing incidents/accidents. Ideally, in anything more than light/intermittent icing, the A/P should not be engaged as it disguises deteriorating handling characteristics developing due to icing on critical components. Typically, when the crew finally decide to disengage the A/P they discover major problems, in the worst cases, the autopilot will give up on attempting to control the aircraft, disengaging itself and the aircraft will very likely be out of control.

@@jamesgraham6122 I believe everything you said can be true.I have never seen self disengaging A/P however I am only rated to 12.5 ibs. In this case not factor. I plotted time distance & pilot input on this event. At best one of the most unusal to say the least approach I can only imagine. The airplane is all over the sky at aronud 180 Than slows to 87 groung speed 6 miles to go. We call this a unstabilized approach for sure.Why ? I wish I knew !

@@pauleyplay Iced up pitot tube giving false ASI readings, where the ADS-B will report GPS speed correctly and ground radar obviously also correct. The only one not kept in the loop is the pilot sadly.

@@alasdair4161 Stop the nonsense You hav no idea what you dont know.

Looking at the data I have, Last input is 87 ground speed winds were 10 on the nose.Thats 97 airspeed. Not what I fly a King Air at however it is flyable at that speed. This is at the last data point, Who knows what happened next ? Terrible approach to start 167 up to 190 down to 97 ? What happened ???

The Colgan crash was not caused by ice