_This is still almost as tiring as taking control and driving yourself._ Do you actually *have* FSD? I find driving with FSD engaged is *much more* relaxing than driving myself; because FSD takes care of controlling speed and lane centering, and allows me to pay more attention to what's going on around me. _The hidden problem is the system lulling you into a false sense of security, and when it does fail to execute properly you'll be in a worse situation, and more likely to have an accident._ That's the common anti-FSD theme; but there's no evidence that actually occurs, and huge evidence that it doesn't. If it did, it would be reflected in more accidents and fatalities; but according to NHTSA statistics, injury and fatal accidents in Teslas with FSD engaged are a small fraction of those of average human drivers. _Until the system can be so reliable that Tesla is willing to cover at fault accidents involving FSD, it will be a service few will want to use and trust._ They're willing to do so now, if you'll buy your collision and comprehensive insurance from Tesla, instead of GEICO or State Farm or AAA or USAA, or whomever you're buying it from now. And I doubt that >400,000 Tesla owners have paid up to $15,000 for or subscribed to FSD, if they didn't intend to use and trust it. I paid for it, and I use it probably 95% of the time.

@@BigBen621 you're projecting to the extent on my lulling objection because it isn't as reliable as future iterations intend to be. When it gets that good a certain segment of owners will be lulled into complacency or lack of responsibility. Just like some owners of past versions have been. I've found through experience that you can't account for all stupid. As far as Tesla covering all accidents now for at fault fsd failures I see how Microsoft covers "problems" servicing their O.S. issues and I'm not so confident once this expands into 10 of millions of vehicles. I have a background in automation of processes and their maintenance, so failures in the human/machine interaction, implementation isn't foreign to me.

@@johnphips9290 _you're projecting to the extent on my lulling objection_ I have no idea what that means.

@@BigBen621 your basing future experience on experience with a system that doesn't exist. You're basing many people to have the experience as you have. In many cases that will be true in others it won't be. I'm pretty confident neither of us has the data to fortel just how large the issues we are talking about will be. Though let me give you an example of the possible effect. My family does own Tesla's and despite knowing that the charging infrastructure is fairly robust they adamantly refuse to use their Tesla to drive from state to state. Trust in the new is often hard and that is important when it comes to success of the tech. Example; VHS vs Beta. Look I own Tesla stock I have great hopes for the company but it seems like too many people have unrealistic expectations. Something It took me a long time to learn; Entropy is a thing, and you can speed up, and slow it down, but defeating it is only local.

@@johnphips9290 _I'm pretty confident neither of us has the data to fortel just how large the issues we are talking about will be._ Yes, I agree. We'll just have to wait and see.

"...and future bugs reintroduced due to regression..."

He's made predictions about how long it would take to accomplish something that had never been done before, and the predictions have turned out to be overly optimistic. But predictions aren't promises, and FSD has improved steadily since first public release.

They would have huge empty fuel tanks so maybe not.

I would want to go and get them especially the booster which is closer. Maybe they were required to sink them?